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Anonymous No.18131407 [Report] >>18131447 >>18131503 >>18131538 >>18131655 >>18131992
National Socialism is an offshoot of Communism/Marxism, with a more racist twist.
Anonymous No.18131415 [Report]
Yes, based.
I voted for this
Anonymous No.18131420 [Report]
both are off shoots of hegelianism
Anonymous No.18131436 [Report] >>18131437 >>18131632
Incorrect, National Socialism is a non-marxist form of socialism derived from nationalist anti-capitalism. German nationalists saw how war socialism of the German Empire worked and turned that into an ideology.
Anonymous No.18131437 [Report] >>18131512 >>18131528 >>18131570 >>18131961
>>18131436
What's not marxist about national socialist economics?
Anonymous No.18131447 [Report]
>>18131407 (OP)
They should have put Socialism in the name so this would be more obvious.
Anonymous No.18131503 [Report]
>>18131407 (OP)
fascism is the way
Anonymous No.18131512 [Report] >>18131525 >>18131632
>>18131437
what's marxist about it? Do you even know what marxism means? Hint: it's not a synonym of nationalization or command economy.
Anonymous No.18131513 [Report]
Israel and how AIPAC acts proved the Nazis were right about the Jews
If you've ever met a Roma you'll realise the nazis were right about them
Anonymous No.18131525 [Report]
>>18131512
>marxism is when people/races I don't like are socialist
Anonymous No.18131528 [Report] >>18131533
>>18131437
Because they had money (Deutschmark). Marxists don’t believe in money at all. Maoist China and Khmer Rouge are examples of non-revisionist Marxian economic. They used work points to allot payment. So you work a specific amount of hours and get points for it rather than being paid in money which can circulate.
Anonymous No.18131533 [Report] >>18131551
>>18131528
That's why I said it's an offshoot of marxism. Next you're going to say the USSR wasn't socialist because they didn't follow Marx to the letter.
Anonymous No.18131538 [Report]
>>18131407 (OP)
The Strasserists were basically nazi-bols with German aesthetics in denial. Things may have played out quite differently if Hitler hadn’t purged them.
Anonymous No.18131551 [Report]
>>18131533
USSR and East Germany weren’t actual socialist to me though obv they were inspired by Marx.

Mao and Khmer Rouge were closest any large country got to real Marxism and abolition of money
Anonymous No.18131570 [Report]
>>18131437
It doesn't operate according to the marxist mental framework which makes explicit certain ground terms, like exploitation of the proletariat, to mean very abstract things.
Anonymous No.18131618 [Report] >>18131626
The Nazis didn't have a coherent economic doctrine which made them distinct from both Marxists and liberals back then. The economic doctrine was always subordinate to other goals but in practice it was a kind of corporatist-authoritarian model with both economic planning and state direction to steer the economy in the way they wanted (the big thing was war preparation) but also maintaining private property and markets. Also class struggle politics was outlawed and socialists / Marxists etc. were thrown in concentration camps or shot. What mattered is that the economy should serve the racial Volksgemeinschaft and a war state locked in a competitive struggle for survival.
Anonymous No.18131626 [Report] >>18131632
>>18131618
The difference can be attributed thus:

Nazis see history as race war and nations/ races competing for survival

Marxists see history as class warfare and classes competing for survival

Marxists don’t deny race for instance but deny it as the groundwork for how to analyze history
Anonymous No.18131632 [Report] >>18131784
>>18131436
>>18131512
>>18131626
Unfortunately, most doesn't follow Marx's teachings. The major Communist party ideology is based on Lenin's ideology, not Marx.

Orthodox Marxism espoused by Marx and Engels promotes violent genocide and race war unlike Lenin which preaches for unity of workers of all races against the capitalists.


https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/64147065/#q64149613


You completely reversed it.

The original Marxism by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels promoted ethnic nationalism and racism and even genocide against "subhuman" ethnicities as nessesary, completely seperate from class war.

Lenin is the one that changed Marxisn into politically correct kumbaya shit and said that there shouldn't be racism or ethnic nationalism and the only warfare should be class warfare.

Engels wrote a whole essay justifying genocide of subhuman ethnics and said Yugoslavs were subhumans who all deserved violent extermination and Germans were the superior race and would genocide the Yugoslavs.

Also Karl Marx and Engels hated Russia and Yugoslavs, Marx supported Chechens against Russia, so Lenin had to change all that shit too.

Marx even wrote a letter supporting Ukranian independence fron Russia and said Russians weren't real Slavs or Indo-Europeans but were Mongols and Finns bastardised by the Golden Horde and that Ukranians are the real Slavic Europeans.

Marx and Engels works on Russia look like they were written by Stepan Bandera.

The original Marxism is racist and nationalist, pro-genocide and anti-Russian.

Leninism is politically correct universalist ideology.

Lenin said no ethnic group is inferior, all ethnicities working class are equal.

Almost no western leftists quote Marx and Engels letters and essays for a reason. They only quote letters and essays by Lenin.
Anonymous No.18131655 [Report]
>>18131407 (OP)
>They were both socialists
Whoa wtf
Anonymous No.18131678 [Report]
Anonymous No.18131784 [Report]
>>18131632
Lenin didn't follow Marx's teachings dumbasses. Lenin said people need to unite with the enemy country's peasants and working class.

Soviet communist party follows Marxist-LENINISM, not Marxism

Read Marx and Engels actual essays and letters, not just Das Kapital

https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/64147065/#q64149792

https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/64147065/#64149814

Engels said to genocide entire ethnic groups he called subhuman and that their working classes and peasants were also subhuman enemies.

No partnership with working class of the subhuman ethnics


Leninists don't read or quote from them (Marx and Engels) because its not politically correct to preach genocide against entire ethnicities is okay.

>Almost no western leftists quote Marx and Engels letters and essays for a reason. They only quote letters and essays by Lenin.
Anonymous No.18131961 [Report]
>>18131437
Everything basically. It was a Capitalist command economy.
Anonymous No.18131992 [Report]
>>18131407 (OP)
NazBol is the only way forward