Thread 18132805

Was he lowkey inspired?

Ok he wasnt, but its impressive how his view of history is almost Christian

>>18132805 (OP)
Inspired by who?
>>18132873
Not it isn't.

>>18132805 (OP)
He was probably depressed for most of his life. But nonetheless DoTW was incredibly ambitious in scope

>>18132805 (OP)
Crazy he lived long enough to play in Breaking Bad

>>18132805 (OP)
Spengler was a diva

He was the Rudyard Lynch of his time.

>>18132805 (OP)
He lowkey was, no cap ong.

>>18134142
His mom raped him and he got chosen by Odin ?

>>18134321
Speaking of people, does pic related even read the news? He went on a 3 hours tirade on why he is right while actively contradicting all current event just because "muh liberal order".
I knew neoliberal socialdemocrats (he is one in denial) could be detached from reality but seriously, like what the fuck, it was like his non-proliferation video at a time when one of the few countries which renounced its nukes and the possibility of making them is fighting an existential war against a fucking nuclear armed state.
He basically spent 15 minutes misquoting Spengler, not getting his ideas, pretending culture isn't a determinant factor just because mainstream western culture among the plebs still doesn't like faggots. Like, what the fuck, it's not even he can't make decent videos, he can, it's just he is terrible whenever it comes to anything related to geopolitics.
He is basically lying to himself trying to convince we aren't in spenglerian winter, we may yet extract some juice from the faustian spirit but the overall general trend, typified by Kraut himself, is evident.

>>18135764
He just likes consuming and regurgitating generic pop his liberal nonsense. Why Nations Fail the youtuber.

>>18135764
Him and others like him are basically doing what the Ciceros and Brutuses of Rome were doing before and during the rise of Caesar. They clung onto the old order, desparately hoping for a great reformer to save it, even as the population turned against them and embraced the autocratic Caesar.

These people will ultimately be little more than footnotes in history, the bigger threats are the likes of Cato and Pompey, conservatives who are capable enough of recognising their role in their resp. civilisation's destiny and exploiting it for their own benefit, they will be the ones who will fight the hardest to preserve the old system.

>>18136232
He's just a youtuber. Not comparable to even Cicero. As far as Spengler's Morphology goes, though, comparison to Greece is probably as inaccurate as you can get.

>>18135941
>>18136232
Oh yeah, I did notice he was adding quite a dosis of hopium to his presentation, Kraut having to point at Costa Rica when trying to refute LATAM democratic success while Cartels keep rampaging across Mexico, Venezuela is under a dictatorship, Peru has switched to its nth presidente in the last 5 years, Brazil put back a convict into power and we all know what his opinion of El Salvador and Argentina presidents may be almost made me chuckle. Whatifautist having a more coherent vision of LATAM just because he lived over there for a while may indicate Kraut hasn't traveled the world much, ok, neither Spengler but Spengler was still capable to figure out the massive utopian bias he got.
Where I think Kraut was right is in how we effectively like to paint maps on specific regions according to our own subjective perceptions.

>>18136632
Spengler's main strength was that he didn't really do much contemporary Cultural analysis from anywhere that was not Europe, the one place outside of his millieu he talks about is Russia, and those sections are kind of weak. He voraciously consumed all the literature that was availiable to him. Which is the main reason why Egypt, Ancient Greece, and the Middle East are so prominent in his work. To his credit, he spoke very little about Cultures which he felt he did not have a complete enough picture of.

>>18136711
>the one place outside of his millieu he talks about is Russia, and those sections are kind of weak.

Check his Essay on Russia:
https://besboshnik.wordpress.com/2013/02/09/the-two-faces-of-russia-essay-by-oswald-spengler/
I think he was on to something when he said russians aren't europeans.

>>18136425
1) Romans had public figures, we have ideologies. Instead of Cicero we have Ciceroism, instead of Gracchi brothers we have Gracchiism.
2) Shitlibs have established really quite an incredible ideological orthodoxy, once you've met one you've met all of them, Kraut is just a talking head, but most shitlibs would agree with what he says.

>>18137306
His main issue, their main issue is understimating so much cultural background, I won't go as far as defend what he calls cultural determinism as under the right circumstances you can shift certain cultural aspects in a people through generational changes and other means but it's obvious culture is a force to be reckoned with.
A point he may have is to asume people labelled decadent and degenerate will be incapable to put a brutal and grinding fight under the right conditions, let's not pretend the bordello and the brewery as well as fembois weren't common features of many "vigorous cultures", western capability to keep brutalizing and tormenting rogue global south powers with almost impunity should make it clear even during what Spengler calls civilization phase there won't be plenty of will for organized violence and the hands to do it, in fact, inequality and lawlessness can create an ideal background for fanatics and mercs.

>>18132805 (OP)
Is Spengler only liked by chuds or is he actually good?

>>18137415
He's reactionary filth full of himself, perfect for twitter rightoids. Oh, and in case it wasn't obvious yes he's full of shit and talks mostly out of his ass.

>>18137434
>full of shit
>>18137168
>Identifies the reasons why gommies got btfo in Europe/Near Asia
Seethe, cope and dilate.
Spengler is The Gigachud.

>>18137452
>Gigachud
>Mischling
Well that checks out at least.

>>18137415
Chuds don't like him because he hated Hitler's guts and was generally against racism and eurocentrism, he is somewhat popular among the ever so slightly intellectual rightoids thoughverbeit

>>18137819
And chechen warlords, forgot those

>>18137415
Irony is he wasnt even a chud himself

>>18137168
Thanks. Those sections are still somewhat weak. And so is the essay. In discussing Russian Literature he never mentions Pushkin, for example.
It's a lack of information, mostly.

>>18133330
Underrated

>>18132805 (OP)
>lowkey
Stfu stupid zoomie.

>>18137876
>faustian spirit intensifies

>>18137863
Though I still he does correctly grasp Russia's difference from Western Europe.
It would be very clownish to imply a country that did nothing but watch placidly during the reformation was 'Western'. Might as well include Brazil and the rest of Latin America. Plus maybe the Philippines, Angola.

>>18138078
According to Spengler to what civilization LATAM belongs to?

>>18138344
Organically? None. They are considered to be primitives without culture. They may try to adopt Faustian Civilization (in Spengler's sense of the word; a stiff and dead reproduction of an already completed culture), or may in the future moonlight it.

Spengler never really wrote on them at length, though he did have a close friend who was Latin American. With whom he corresponded often.

>mfw a warlord reads your works in his free time
Do western politicians do this anymore?

>>18138930
Does Kadyrov posture as a Spengler reader now?
Or who are you talking about?
>>18138637
I personally suspect the parts about Latin America in Hour of Decision all come directly from Quesada's Mouth. Mentioning Indigenismo in all but name is too specific for some foreigner a continent and a language family away.

>>18137923
no.

>>18138992
I just read an article about Spengler written by an argentinian, like most latinos he was emotive, the author put a lot of effort on understanding the personal and social context of Spengler, perhaps the most curious thing of the article is how he praises the poetry in Spengler, latinos being more artisic than technical oriented would praise this aspect of his writtings while anglos would find it somewhat annoying.
>>18138992
Spengler was interested in the new discoveries of the ime done by american researchers on precolombian cultures but he recognized he didn't have enough available information to extensively write about him. I wonder what his reflection would be on the Inca state, he lamented how thes aztec civilization got wiped out but also perceived in Tenochtitlan the beginning of late stage.
Quesada's discussion with Spengler on how the west ends in LATAM in the core of their main cities and the rest is untamed territory is perhaps the most intriguing part, it made me remember the war between the imported maoists trained in Lima's capital and the peruvian farmers, god-fearing, cooperativists not by Marx teaching but by cultural tradition.
What at first glance should have been a natural alliance descended into a bloody conflict which can be seen as a new iteration of western vs native entities.

>>18138992
>Does Kadyrov posture as a Spengler reader now?
Who knows, they may find Russia being the next thing (tm) as an interesting talking point, however they may identify themselves more as magian.

>>18136425
It eas whatifalthist comparing US-EU to Rome-Greece, it would be funny if in the end America collapses to ethnic conflicts while EU holds for over a thousand more years Byzantium style.

>>18139637
>LATAM in the core of their main cities and the rest is untamed territory
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87CJvokwYbk
I came across this documentary some time back and your reply reminded me of it, i think it's honestly a pretty accurate representation of what kind of society imperial west will eventually settle into, it will be few techno dys/u-topic cities surrounded by a vast, sparsely populated countryside of white thirdies and mennonites, being tolerated to do whatever they want as long as they don't threaten the comforts of the life of urbaintes

>>18139637
Him being a great poet&writer is the main reason why he ever was famous. At least outside of Germany.
Though I never thought of describing Latin Americans as more artistic than technical or emotive. It's a current tendency in Spic, thought, admittedly. Though I would not say it is necessarily an inborn tendency.
>Spengler was interested in the new discoveries of the ime done by american researchers on precolombian cultures but he recognized he didn't have enough available information to extensively write about him.
Yes. His interest on them was lifelong. And it is tragic he was born too early to see Maya deciphered (which I'm sure he would ascribe to nascent Russian genius). Though I think had he lived longer he'd have entered into conflict with common Mayanist scholarship at the time. He was the more correct one of the two, ironically.
>I wonder what his reflection would be on the Inca state,
The flowering last state of a Peruvian culture. Which he did allude to once or twice in Decline.
> in the core of their main cities and the rest is untamed territory
The cities are untamed territory also. You should not try to dialecticize it. Our (spics, I mean) favourite categories of Civilization and Barbarity are just two sides of the same coin.
> the imported maoists trained in Lima's capital and the peruvian farmers, god-fearing, cooperativists not by Marx teaching but by cultural tradition.
I would, strangely enough, argue the ""real"" 'Latin Americans' are the Maoists. In Spengler terms the Peasants of the Andes (and Mexican indigenous too) are Fellaheen. The Peruvian culture passed over a long time ago. They are basically like plants.
Aside from that, it has to be remarked that Indian genocide is storied Latin American cultural tradition dating to the viceroyalties.cont
>>18140090
In the end Spengler would probably firmly class them as primitives, slim chance of them even being part of the Russian Pre-culture.
All the signs point to them being primitives.

>>18139637

>What at first glance should have been a natural alliance descended into a bloody conflict which can be seen as a new iteration of western vs native entities.
In a sense. But I think reducing it to that erases Latin America from picture, regards it as artificial as opposed to the 'natural' native Americans (and blacks in a case to case basis).
Regardless, I think the decolonial craze is just a mere inversion of the previous schema of civilization v Barbarity. The Indian becomes civilized and the European barbaric. In addition, it all bear a suspicous ressemblance to what was philosophically current in Europe at the time, hmmm...
EZLN is also similar in this regard.
>>18140507
I believe it's going to be a somewhat more technological and different Imperial China. Westerners are not chaotic, they are orderly, law-abiding, very technical. But I have the vain hope they'll just have a very odd change of heart and undo all their damage. Reintroduce all they have rendered extinct, destroy all their rivers can canals. Self immolate before they rebound into a fellah state like Late dynasties Egypt of Dynastic China.

>>18140422
The comparisons to Rome are bad. The West and Greece are very different from eachother.
It's unfortunate westoids are and forever will be, obsessed.

>>18140507
There is always the temptation of Empire which always comes back after a period of terminal decline, the main issue with the fellah is some people assume it becomes a completely non-acting entity, but that is impossible for humans, Spengler correctly presented a rise and fall of cultures, but the system never presuposes certain territories and human groups will become completely irrelevant once the cycle is complete, examples such as modern Italy, Israel Turkey and China put in evidence regions and human groups can mutate through the centuries to become again major actors at a regional or world stage.

>>18140560
>>18140637
And to be hinest I wouldn't call Latin America even a Pre-culture. Just primitives. Like SEAs or Africans. And I guess Southern Central Asians like Afghans or Tajiks, maybe Kazakhs and other turkics of the region. But I think Tibet and Mongolia are both part of a High Culture that came from Tibet and has gone hitherto unnoticed.

>>18140803
I don't necessarily disagree with what you say, but let's also keep in mind that it took Romans 800 years to stop being appolonian fellaheen and start being faustian, medieval people, and Rome was an unusually short lived civilisation, the west could very easily go on for millenia in the petrified state of the empire.

>>18140803
Well of course they can influenced by other Cultures7Civilizations afterward. Even become part of them if lucky enough.
But that's not quite the same as resurgence.

>>18137415
He is actually good, politically neutral.

His seminal work should have had a different title.

>>18141706
Twilight of the Evening lands

>>18141715
Wasnt it "reddening"?

>>18137168
>I think he was on to something when he said russians aren't europeans.
really? you needed to read an intellectual's thesis to realise that a country that has been part of asia for most of its history is not entirely european?

>>18141846
You do if you are not an Eurolib strangely into Ukraine. Mind you Ukriane is also not European. But whatever.

>>18141846
It's mostly due Moscow and Petrograd location. And as Spengler pointing out russian elites larping as euros.

>>18132805 (OP)
More like highway retarded!
>civilizations are like living organisms
>they also have souls
Who eats up this crap?

>>18141931
>oi vey-vey! Why you think-think collective-group entities can have living attributes and collective psyche goy-thing?

>>18140637
Someone pointed out LATAM is the average of the human species, when seeing HDI they are the "most" developed area of the Third World but also the one with most crime related violence, they are capable to locally build aeronautical systems and nuclear technologies but also have literal stone age jungle tribes and medieval level mountain villages, you have contradictory economies with vast innefective national corporations and thriving informal markets, some of the best most and experienced specops on the world but also multinational cartels torturing anyone opposing then, people almost never commit suicide in LATAM because they are too occupied trying not to get murdered, and someone always need one alive, if it's just to opress the other.
The cosmic race, yeah, in the sense humanity seem to have dumped everything there is to be about humanity to create the absolute midwit of history.