Thread 18135922

Is the Upper South the only region within the U.S that actually had a civil war? All the Upper South states sans North Carolina were internally divided, with both Confederate and Unionist governments. KY had dual governments, and had lots of infighting, with roughly 62,000 white Kentuckians joining the Union Army and roughly 35-40,000 joining the Confederate Army. Virginia split in half, and a new state was formed out of it. Tennessee nearly did the same thing, with both a Confederate/Unionist government along geographic lines. Lots of guerrilla fighting in both as well. Same with Missouri.

Every other state seems to have been either fully Confederate or fully Union, but these ones actually had internal political divisions that led to such infighting.

>>18135922 (OP)
Illinois was also split. That's why they had to initially rally a huge Union force there.

>>18135925
Kentucky, Tennessee, Missouri, Virginia were truly divided with each state having dual governments and open warfare, internally, over control of the state government.

Illinois, Indiana too, had lots of Copperheads, and some men in them went South to join Kentucky or Tennessee regiments in the C.S.A, but overall, there wasn't any open civil warfare within the state over control of the state government. That wasn't for lack of trying, however. The Confederate secret service had consistent plans throughout the war to try and strike a rebellion in Illinois and Indiana and have them join the C.S.A.

>>18135934
The entire state guard of Kentucky joined the C.S.A in 1861. The Unionists had to scramble to make haphazard "Home Guards", many of whom deserted to join the C.S.A or just went home, with their hearts not in the war. The large Hemp planters in the Inner Bluegrass region were very conservative politically, and like many Southern Whigs, were skeptical of secession. They leaned pro-Union, but after 1862, were disheartened due to the E.P. Lincoln, having married into a Kentucky hemp aristocrat family and being of Kentuckian heritage himself, knew their personalities too well and basically played them.

After 1862, Kentucky erupted into constant guerrilla warfare, Kentucky Union regiments had constant desertion (with a % of those deserters going back to KY and becoming pro-C.S.A bushwhackers), and the state was basically under brutal martial law from 1862-1865. Harsh measures were taken to combat the guerilla warfare by 1864; every Union soldier stationed in Kentucky, or pro-Union citizen in Kentucky, who was killed by a guerrilla would merit two imprisoned C.S soldiers or guerrillas being killed themselves in public executions.

The Texas Hill Country had been settled by German “48ers” fleeing the failed revolution, and most were opposed to slavery. When the war came the CSA placed those counties under martial law and many Germans fell prey to bushwhackers. When some of them tried to flee to Mexico they were massacred at the Battle of the Nueces.,

The American Revolution was a civil war and some of the most vicious fighting between whigs and tories was in the lowland south in places like the carolinas

>>18135922 (OP)
US civil war is just 3rd British civil war

California have voted pro-CSA party

>>18135922 (OP)

Honestly one thing that's always irked me about American Civil War alternate histories is that they focus exclusively on how race relations play out and when/if slavery gets abolished and not what the fuck was gonna happen when you have a bunch of pro-Union enclaves within the Confederacy and they refuse to lay down their arms just because Washington DC did. Are you going to see a reverse-Reconstruction where Unionists are running around in spooky white robes, terrorizing CS government officials, and the Confederate Army constantly has to put them down? Is the American flag going to take on the symbolism of the Confederate flag IRL where it's flown by rednecks as a symbol of defiance against Richmond's authority?

The idea has so much more potential story-wise but everyone just wants to take a microscopic look at a single aspect of it.

t. family fought for both sides in NC, TN, and VA

>>18135946
>The Confederate secret service had consistent plans throughout the war to try and strike a rebellion in Illinois and Indiana and have them join the C.S.A.

As slave or free states?

>>18138982
yes

>>18138971
Also interesting to imagine how it would affect the world outside the US, e.g. a First World War where the CSA exists and the USA is thus weakened and possibly less keen on overseas fighting

>>18139016
>>18138971
Assassin Creed alternate history is gay