Thread 18141567

>we don't have Vedic samples, but we do have samples from Pakistanis from the Vedic era
>Pakistan_Loebanr_IA_o,AG.I12138 is 34.1% Russia_MLBA_Sintashta
>mfw Pakistanis have more steppe than Indians
>mfw a Pakistani from the Vedic Era has only 30% Steppe
>mfw the Steppe of the Vedic Era Indians would be less than 30%

>>18141567 (OP)
>we don't have Vedic samples, but we do have samples from Pakistanis from the Vedic era
Yes, I've already explained this to you several times; these samples aren't Vedic, they're too recent for anything.

>>18141567 (OP)
>the only Indian groups with more than 30% steppe are Jatts and Dors from Haryana, who have 35 to 40% steppe
>Jatts and Rors are Shudras

>>18141567 (OP)
Oh but we do. Indian geneticists aren't real scientists though—just Hindu nationalists—so we'll probably never see much more unless Vedic era samples are found in Pakistan (OP's aren't Vedic era)

>>18141789
The groups with the most Steppe_MLBA in South Asia are the Pakistani like Sindh. The fact that they are Muslim/Vaishya and that the samples we have from Vedic-era Pakistan have low steppe shows how spurious their impact was outside of haploautism.
>>18142120
https://www.exploreyourdna.com/sample/pakistan/i12138.htm
>Datation: 1107-924 calBCE (2845±20 BP, PSUAMS-5277)
>Early Vedic period (c. 1500 BCE – c. 1000 BCE)

>>18142137
>The groups with the most Steppe_MLBA in South Asia are the Pakistani like Sindh
Whether that's true or not, that's not what I said. I'm just saying that these samples are not Vedic.

>>18142137
Btw The populations showing closest relatedness to Roma (Gypsies) were Punjabis, Kashmiri Pandit and Sindhi.

http://arxiv.org/pdf/1212.1696v1.pdf
>To learn about the source of the South Asian ancestry in Roma, we inferred the pairwise IBD sharing distance between Roma and various Indian groups, using GERMLINE to compute an average pairwise sharing distance between Roma and 28 South Asian populations (24 Indian groups from the India Project, Pathan and Sindhi from HGDP and Punjabi and Gujarati from POPRES). To simplify the analysis, we classified the samples into 8 groups based on geographical region within India: North (n = 38), Northwest (n = 235), Northeast (n = 8), Southwest (n = 16), Southeast (n = 59), East (n = 11), West (n = 42) and Andamanese (n = 16). We observed that the Roma share the highest proportion of IBD segments with groups from the Northwest (Figure 3b). Interestingly, the two populations in our sample that show the highest relatedness to Roma (Punjabi, Kashmiri Pandit) are also the populations that have highest proportion of West Eurasian- related (ANI) ancestry. To control for the possibility that the high IBD sharing could be an artifact related to high ANI ancestry, we recalculated the IBD sharing regressing out the ANI ancestry proportion and observed that the Roma continue to share the highest IBD segments with the northwest Indian group (Note S3). These findings are consistent with analyses of mtDNA that also place the most likely South Asian source of the Roma in Northwest India

I'm afraid I'll have to put an end to the OP's intellectual pose, thankfully. I don't have much to do right now.
As I've said about 10 times here, the Iron Age peoples of the Swat Valley shouldn't be modeled simply as a mix of Indus_Periphery and Steppes_MLBA. First point. Second, they have partial ancestry of the same type or similar to Shahr_i_Sokhta_BA1. In fact, qpAdm also suggests this.

Indus_Periphery 0.692±0.042
Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1 0.104±0.045
Sintashta_MLBA 0.204±0.015
taildiff: 0.65960

>>18142227
Bump

>>18142227
It's not Vedic because it's a woman without Y-DNA. Secondly, Afghans don't additionally have Indus Valley ancestry because they already possessed it in sufficient quantity in the hybrid form of Indus + BMAC, as seen in Dara-i-Kurr. People like the OP should stop spreading misinformation. Stating that Pashtuns absorbed ancestry doesn't negate the fact that they have Gandhara DNA. lmao

>>18142257
It infuriates me how people, usually Indians, treat these samples in a simplistic way without considering other important details. There's also the fact that many of the Iron Age samples from Swat are comparable to the Tajik-Kalash-Pashtun range in terms of ancestry represented by West Siberia, and the statistics for the northern Middle Ages seem relatively smaller. Obviously, we still lack Vedic samples; let's wait
this sample>>18142120 was a danger to insane minds; the argument is that it's a woman, so all sorts of fantasies are created. We don't know if the Steppe sample is from a woman. at least one of the Sinauli samples is of better quality than the Rakhigarhi sample in terms of the SNPs analyzed.
In short, Swat are not truly "Vedic," and archaeology has highlighted this before; see Kuz'mina and other authors. The place cannot be reduced to culture A, B, or C. Well, I need to take my mother to the doctor. Good luck to everyone who continued in this madhouse that this topic will turn into. Probably at least the same insect.

>>18141567 (OP)
>Pakistanis in Vedic era are “only” 30% steppe
That’s astronomically high compared to anywhere in the subcontinent today or anywhere near it. Is this supposed to deboonk something?

>>18142273
Yes.

>It's not Vedic because it's measured by women
It's over for Kalash then.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-025-94986-z

some new studies about indian genetics