Thread 18148302

Browsing /his/ and listening to presuppositional apologists has made me realize that christians, protestants and catholics especially, really are no better than muslims, and that christianity and Islam have far more in common than I used to think.
How this has been mistaken as a religion of love for so long I frankly cannot say.

>>18148302 (OP)
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>>18148302 (OP)
No one cares. Enjoy Hell.

>>18148302 (OP)
Catholics do not believe in presuppositionalism.

>>18148374
Some do, but prots are easily the worst offenders here of course. The bible sort of teaches it aswell, but only in a restricted sense.
Paul himself doesn't even claim Christianity is self evident, only that God is, else he wouldn't need to preach and (according to acts, atleast) perform miracles to convert people.

>>18148302 (OP)
Muslims ARE Christians. They just have a really different idea(being actual monotheists). Just like how the LDS are Christians, but they're upfront about being polytheists, instead of pretending to be monotheists.
Doesn't matter though, because they're all still kike religions.
If only Marcion would have become the dominate version of Christianity, then you could actually say that you're distinct from the kikes. But alas.

>>18148374
Presup is just assuming that their religion/god is true, and don't have evidence to back it up. Catholics most certainly do presup.

>>18148302 (OP)
yes satan has entered your mind sad

>>18149019
>Christianity is bad for the same reasons Islam is
>Somehow this means I like Islam.

>>18149044
That's a jewish bot you're replying to

>>18148824
This is true, but they are (generally) less annoying about it than protestants are.

>>18148302 (OP)
Islam is different in that it's not directly connected to the Old Testament or New Testament and can lean itself more into Hellenistic and other traditions compared to Christianity's fervent denial of others outside of Semitic. Islam lost this after the Mongols invaded while Christianity lost what little Greek traditions came left because their own bases saw it as anti-Biblical and not Jewish enough.

>>18148302 (OP)
Define "good" from a materialist worldview.

>>18150114
Justin Martyr, Augustine, Aquinas all leaned heavy into Hellenistic philosophy.

>>18148302 (OP)
Presup apologists can be BTFOd when you point out the Bible isn't a univocal document and has fundamental contradictions and evidence of post-hoc tampering (El-YHWH fusion most notable.)

>>18150500
Don't know why you think I'm a materialist.
>>18150519
They'll deny that since it cannot be 100% proved even if the evidence is good.

>>18150696
Ok, define "good" from your demonic worldview.

>>18148824
It is Catholic doctrine that God can be (and has been) proven to exist through facts and logic. Catholics don't do the "always prepared" presup shit ports love so much. They're more likely to argue by telling you to go read theologians and when you try to argue back, they question your intellectual capabilities compared to those of someone like Aquinas. But most of all, the overwhelming majority of lay Catholics won't engage in the debate to begin with.
t. atheist cradle Catholic

>>18150723
>trashes presup
>atheist

>>18148302 (OP)
There's nothing wrong with presuppositional apologetics, you just hate your father for abandoning your mother. A perfect world would exist if only he stuck around.

>>18150918
My father is a very nice person who's helped me a lot in life.

I think some Christians are genuinely nice people, but that's in spite of them being Christian.
I also think some anti-Christians are awful people, but again, not because they oppose Christianity

>>18148302 (OP)
if you're comparing islam to christianity is already beyond retarded. any real christian knows bickering is against the brotherhood of christ.

>>18152091
The difference between Islam and christianity is that the former is violent while the latter is passive-agressive, that is, untill Christians come to power. Then they use plenty of violence while claiming it's for YOUR sake (or for God), and I'm sure they actually believe it too.

I'm increasingly starting to think that the memory that the abrahamic religions have ever existed needs to be whiped out if humanity is to survive, it will have to be replaced by some other religion, and I cannot say what, but it NEEDS to happen.

>>18152185
I don't get you. Not having a religion is easier than to have one.

>>18152186
Atheism will lead to dread and psychopathy once smart people start asking deep moral questions, you need some amount of mysticism for people to cope.
I think a period of reddit atheist dictatorship might be a necessary transition stage though.

>>18152193
>Smart
Smart and neurotic*

>>18152193
>I think a period of reddit atheist dictatorship might be a necessary transition stage though.

>>18152253
I was being partly ironic, but I also mean it.

>>18152124
The difference between Islam and Christianity is that Islam is warrior-based while Christianity is based on sterilization and losing all day. There is nothing to defend about Christianity when terrorists fight while Christianity gives money to Jews to murder everything on sight because their religion forbids them from growing a pair of balls.