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Anonymous No.18150132 [Report] >>18150146 >>18150148 >>18150192 >>18150209 >>18150264 >>18150544 >>18151569 >>18151757
Why did early indo europeans have medditerranid phenotype
Anonymous No.18150140 [Report]
God.
Anonymous No.18150146 [Report]
>>18150132 (OP)
They have more CHG than Meds.
Anonymous No.18150148 [Report] >>18150151 >>18150157
>>18150132 (OP)
>Lazaridis et al. (2022), analysed the remains of twenty-three individuals ascribed to the Andronovo culture. Of the specimens yielding a pigmentation phenotype, 43.5% were predicted as blue eyed, while 34.8% were predicted as blond haired. 78.3%, 17.4% and 4.3% of the samples had intermediate, pale and dark skin tone, respectively.[86]
Anonymous No.18150151 [Report] >>18150200 >>18150356
>>18150148
>Corded Ware
>Yamnaya
Anonymous No.18150157 [Report] >>18150200 >>18150356
>>18150148
>Andronovo
Andronovo were IE + EEF + WHG + Siberian and central asian HG muttoids. Not "early indo european" in any sense
Anonymous No.18150192 [Report] >>18150215
>>18150132 (OP)
It wasn't a MED phenotype, because the brown Yamnaya admixture is modeled as CHG/Iran N. Rather, it's a caveman phenotype similar to Dagestanis and Pashtuns.
Anonymous No.18150200 [Report] >>18150205 >>18150207 >>18150212
>>18150151
>>18150157
Yamnaya were a genetic dead end. Real IndoEuropeans were their Northern cousins who mixed with Baltic HGs and Globular Amphoras.

>The majority of CWC-men carried haplogroup R1a-M417, the remaining ones R1b and I2a.[77] Note that, although related to the Corded Ware population, Yamnaya males mainly carried R1b-Z2103, while R1b-bearing Corded Ware males had R1b-L51, suggesting that Corded Ware culture males cannot be directly patrilineally descended from Yamnaya individuals.[g]

>Papac et al. (2021) argue that the differences in Y-DNA between early CW and Yamnaya males suggest that the Yamnaya culture did not have a direct role in the origins and expansion of the Corded Ware culture.[6]
Anonymous No.18150205 [Report]
>>18150200
Corded ware looked the same as yamnaya so whats your point

>mixed
key word
Anonymous No.18150207 [Report]
>>18150200
It is possible that the Yamnaya left few descendants in Europe, but there is a 99% probability that they spoke in the early IE language.
Anonymous No.18150209 [Report]
>>18150132 (OP)
Because both Indo-Europeans and Semites ancestors were pajeets.
Anonymous No.18150210 [Report] >>18150226
They resembled Europeans
Shitty reconstruction, btw
Anonymous No.18150212 [Report] >>18150217
>>18150200
>Real IndoEuropeans were their Northern cousins who mixed with Baltic HGs and Globular Amphoras

Aka Corded Ware. But the Yamnaya are considered more important than their Corded Ware husbands in PIE studies because they were located closer to the area where the ethnogenesis of the Western Steppe Herders occurred (Southern Ukraine, Russia, Northern Caucasus), we have more archaeological remains from them (Kurgans) and the Indo-Anatolian language was the first divergence from the Proto-Indo-European.

>In an archaeogenetic study focusing on late Neolithic and Bronze Age individuals from Bohemia, Papac et al. (2021), which includes Haak and Heyd as co-authors, suggest that the early Corded Ware culture was a "polyethnic" society characterized by genetic, cultural, and linguistic diversity, resulting from the agglomeration of people of the Globular Amphora culture and Yamnaya-related migrants, who had highly differentiated genetic profiles, a different material culture, and probably spoke different languages. 100% of the Bohemian Corded Ware samples found without steppe-derived ancestry were female, indicating that this genetic diversity was a result of Corded Ware males marrying and assimilating local Globular Amphora females

>The majority of CWC-men carried haplogroup R1a-M417, the remaining ones R1b and I2a. Note that, although related to the Corded Ware population, Yamnaya males mainly carried R1b-Z2103, while R1b-bearing Corded Ware males had R1b-L51, suggesting that Corded Ware culture males cannot be directly patrilineally descended from Yamnaya individuals. Yet, Linderholm et al. (2020) found seven CW males which were narrowed down to either R1b-M269 or R-L11, while Allentoft et al. (2015) report two CW males with R1b, and Furtwängler et al. (2020) report three CW males with R1b. According to Sjögren et al. (2020), R1b-M269 "is the major lineage associated with the arrival of Steppe ancestry in western Europe after 2500 BC[E]."
Anonymous No.18150215 [Report] >>18150219
>>18150192
you proved OP with that cool
Anonymous No.18150217 [Report] >>18150227 >>18150231 >>18150234
>>18150212
and corded ware looked the same as yamnaya, your point #2? stick to the topic
Anonymous No.18150219 [Report] >>18150226
>>18150215
You don't look like Khabib.
Anonymous No.18150226 [Report] >>18150236
>>18150219
no I look like early IE

that was meant for him though
>>18150210
ty you proved OP correct
Anonymous No.18150227 [Report]
>>18150217
not just that but bell beakers were also seperate migration, not cwc
Anonymous No.18150231 [Report]
>>18150217
Correct
Anonymous No.18150234 [Report] >>18150242 >>18150252 >>18150258 >>18150263
>>18150217
Corded Wara had lighter skin/hair and did not have Caucasian hooked noses.
Anonymous No.18150236 [Report] >>18150242
>>18150226
OP, you illiterate, I said that the reconstruction you masturbate to is garbage. Incorrect pigmentation.
Anonymous No.18150242 [Report]
>>18150234
nobody answers OP question but they all argue with OP by proving OP right. Interesting

>>18150236
it says intermediate, common in medditteranean populations. thats literally pic in OP. go seethe
Anonymous No.18150252 [Report] >>18150288
>>18150234
Here's their actual pigmentation.
Anonymous No.18150258 [Report]
>>18150234
literally over 90% of early cwc had all dark features
Anonymous No.18150263 [Report] >>18150288
>>18150234
Corded Ware and Andronovo are 90% the same ethinic group.

>The Andronovo culture and its population derived primarily from an eastwards expansion of the Central European Corded Ware culture via the Fatyanovo–Balanovo and Sintashta culture, which are characterized by the combination of mainly Yamnaya-like ancestry and Early European Farmers admixture. The spread of Sintashta-Andronovo ancestry correlates with the expansion of Indo-Iranian-speaking peoples.


>"The Eurasian steppe nomadic Saka were not immigrants from the Near East but direct descendants of Andronovans, and the mixed character of the Indo-Iranian-speaking populations of Iran and India is the result of a new population spreading among aboriginals with whom a new language is probably to be associated. This conclusion is confirmed by the evidence of Indo-Iranian tradition. The Aryans in the Avesta are tall, light-skinned people with light hair; their women were light-eyed, with long, light tresses... In the Rigveda light skin alongside language is the main feature of the Aryans, differentiating them from the aboriginal Dáśa-Dasyu population who were a dark-skinned, small people speaking another language and who did not believe in the Vedic gods... Skin color was the basis of social division of the Vedic Aryans; their society was divided into social groups varṇa, literally 'color'. The varṇas of Aryan priests (brāhmaṇa) and warriors (kṣatriyaḥ or rājanya) were opposed to the varṇas of the aboriginal Dáśa, called 'black-skinned'..."
Anonymous No.18150264 [Report]
>>18150132 (OP)
Looks Dinaric actually, although I can't say for sure without at least pictures from other angles
Anonymous No.18150288 [Report] >>18150291
>>18150252
The Yamnaya did not resemble the Meds because they had intermediate skin, they resembled because people with intermediate skin have a darker tan than people with normal pale skin.

>>18150263
Just because they came from WSH, but the Yamnaya of Corded Ware were maternal and the ethnogenesis of Corded Ware had Baltic HGs and Globular Amphoras. From Corded Ware Horizon branched out the Corded Ware's main paternal lineages that are the dominant paternal lineages in all of Europe throught the Bell Beaker Culture (the "R1b-L51 clan", ancestors of West Euros) and Central/South Asia throught Sintashta/Andronovo (the "R1a-Z93 clan", ancestors of East Iranians, Central Asians and Pakistanis/North Indians). Nordics, Germanics, Slavics, Celtics, Etruscans, Indo-Aryans/Vedics, Persians, Scythians, etc... All of them came from Corded Ware Horizon Cultures. Yamnaya had R1b-z2103, which is only found today at high levels in Armenians and some Meds like the Roman patricians who claim descend from Trojan elites.
Anonymous No.18150291 [Report]
>>18150288
Anonymous No.18150356 [Report] >>18150440
>>18150157
>>18150151
Andronovo were 85% Steppe, they were as close to Yamnaya as modern English are to modern Dutch, which is to say near identical.

Yes, you were raped by White people.
Are we surprised? White people are far and away the most dominant race to ever exist.
Anonymous No.18150440 [Report] >>18150458 >>18151822
>>18150356
>Andronovo were 85% Steppe
Not even the Corded Ware (from which Andronovo/Proto-Indo-Iranian derives) had this level of Steppe.

>Haak et al. (2015) found that a large proportion of the ancestry of the Corded Ware culture's population is similar to that of the Yamnaya culture, tracing the Corded Ware culture's origins to a "massive migration" of the Yamnaya or an earlier (pre-Yamnaya) population from the steppes 4,500 years ago. The DNA of late Neolithic Corded Ware skeletons found in Germany was found to be around 75% similar to DNA from individuals of the Yamnaya culture. Yet, Haak et al. (2015) warned:

>"We caution that the sampled Yamnaya individuals from Samara might not be directly ancestral to Corded Ware individuals from Germany. It is possible that a more western Yamnaya population, or an earlier (pre-Yamnaya) steppe population may have migrated into central Europe, and future work may uncover more missing links in the chain of transmission of steppe ancestry."

>It is likely, based on our analysis, that the population that contributed genetic material to South Asia was (roughly) ~60% Yamnaya, ~30% European farmer-like ancestry, and ~10% Central Steppe hunter-gatherer ancestry

Corded Ware were 75% Steppe, their Andronovo Indo-Aryan descendants were 60% when they arrived in South Asia and somehow dropped to 35-20% in North India, but not in Pakistan (35-40%) and Asia Central (40-50%). For comparison, Nordic countries lost only 20-25% of their Steppe (Corded Ware included the territories of Scandinavia), while North Indian countries lost 30-40% Steppe.
Anonymous No.18150458 [Report] >>18150461
>>18150440
IVC began to decline around 1900 BCE and most of their cities were abandoned around 1700 BCE, with the Vedic/Indo-Aryan beginning in 1500 BCE, but the IVC pottery lasted until 1300 BCE. It's because this and DNA evidence that a prolonged migration thesis, not an invasion, is supported. Even before the genetic evidence came out, historians noted that there is a total absence of warfare and destruction in the areas of the Late Harappa. Archeologically, an invasion is laughable. Why? Because pottery transitioned very slowly from the IVC to the Vedic iron age. As did metal working. If there was an actual invasion like in Europe, we would see thousands or at least hundreds of weapons radiocarbon dated to 2000-1500 BC. We would also see a sharp, jarring transition from Late Harappa ware to Cemetery H pottery, not a smooth transition over centuries.

And then looking at genetics, Indians have a predominance of pre-IE yDNA haplogroups. Most Pakistani and Indian men have some subclade of L, H, T, G, J, and so on. If we want to compare this to Europe, India actually has a remarkable survival of mesolithic paternal lineages like H1a1 (equivalent to I1 in scandinavia) despite its extremely ancient origin. R1a is common in come groups due to endogamy and chance breeding events, but in most cases its uniformly spread across India with little correlation between Aryan/Dravidian language groups.

Steppe_MLBA, aka Aryans, only comprise at best 10% of Indian admixture and 20-35% of High Castes. While this, Pakistanis have over 35-40% Steppe_MLBA, since most of the IVC was located there. Most high caste are between 70 and 60% Harrapan (Iran_N+AASI), they are just a little less AASI than the average Indian because the migration of Neolithic Iranians occurred more in Pakistan/Northern India where IVC was and endogamy/intertribal marriage because of Caste System.
Anonymous No.18150461 [Report]
>>18150458
In India, an upper caste and a lower caste from the same village have a genetic distance that is almost equivalent to the genetic distance of Italians and Norwegians. So things like "they mass mass-mixed with all indians" is bullshit. Only North Indians have high steppe and they are not pure South Asian natives, but Iranianized mongrels. Even if the Aryans had mixed with South Indians, they would not be whiter North Indians because of the lower Iranian/ANI DNA.
Anonymous No.18150544 [Report]
>>18150132 (OP)
They didn't. They were half Mongoloid half WHG with only minor Natufian.
Anonymous No.18150790 [Report]
Lots of misinformation made by some illiterate spammer.
basically, it has been postulated before that the Bronze Age cultures of Uzbekistan and Tajikistan, sucks as the Vakhsh and Bishkent cultures, in addition to nomadic Indo-European elements, had elements related to the Vedic, i.e. could be the 'proto-vedic" or at least related to them. but then we have the genetic issue, where everything gets more interesting. we have samples from Uzbekistan from the Bronze Age that may be related in some way to the Vedic, it is no coincidence that the ancient and current South Asians in the graph (including those from the Swat Valley in Pakistan, dated to the Iron Age that WERE NOT VEDIC) form an almost perfect cline between these two pairs of individuals, and modeling Indians with them produces good models anyway.
MLBA IAMC groups are rich in the Y-haplogroup R1a-M417 and, in particular, in its subclade R1a-Z93, which is today a marker especially frequent in Indo-European-speaking South Asians.

It's not possible to argue about Vedic profiles without Vedic samples, but perhaps that leaked sample is useful for something; supposedly it was tested in Sinauli

Andronovo remained fairly homogeneous until the end of the Bronze Age and the beginning of the Iron Age, as seen in samples from Kashkarchi, where one sample is as old as 1000 BC. And since I know we're dealing with people who copy and paste comments from others, I know I'll be presented with the Andronovo samples in the Tarim as evidence of how they were already mixed.

The problem is that this same study presents samples with 90%+ steppe, and in adjacent regions of Xinjiang, we have samples with extremely homogeneous profiles, such as the Wutulan samples, and we have new samples from eastern Kazakhstan (Koken) that are homogeneous, one of which scores up to 73% steppe. In short, they were a homogeneous group until the early Iron Age. Nice try boys, i guess
Anonymous No.18151569 [Report]
>>18150132 (OP)
It looks Turkish.
Anonymous No.18151757 [Report]
>>18150132 (OP)
doesn't look med
Anonymous No.18151822 [Report]
>>18150440
bottom pic - med
upper pic - nordcuck

>https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2020/01/on-paternal-ancestry-of-hungarian.html
panonian avars elite excusevelely non IE despite being over 95% IE subjects

Even proto-scythians were majority IE subjects with non IE ruling elite

https://bmcgenomics.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12864-025-11361-y