As a feminine somewhat athletic but still slim physique built guy (im in my early 30s), it's been pretty rough not having much of any luck finding muscular guys who are into smaller feminine guys. I understand that most will be into other muscular guys but I really wanted to believe that there were at least some who would like a smaller built guy.

And it's not even me trying to go for "normie" muscular guys but even when I tried looking for geeky muscular guys, most of them still prefer other muscular or masculine guys. And I know someone might try to bring up my age bur even when I was in my 20s, I couldn't find muscular guys into guys like myself..

In the end it is what it is bur I will admit that when I'm at the gym working out and seeing muscular guys l with their partners, I do feel a bit envious knowing I'll never get ot experience that.

Anyway vent aside, just sharing some cute muscular guys lol.

do you have a big long cock? if so, it shouldn't be that much of a problem

>>2650827
I mean, even if I did, it wouldn't matter because I'm not a top lol

I can definitely relate to the topic, I'm a feminine guy myself, not really a twink anymore since I'm also in my 30s (though funny enough, I feel like I'm in the best shape of my life at this time for the build I like for myself lol)

But yeah, I too have not had much luck meeting muscular guys who are into smaller guys as they tend to be into other muscled guys. I only met one years ago who claimed her liked feminine guys but he lived in another country and I wasn't looking for long distance. Besides him though, its been crickets unfortunately. If anything, as I got more in shape, I just attracted more older out of shape "daddy" types which aren't my type at all lol.

>>2650831
girl..., you're looking for an unicorn

>>2650839
For what it's worth, I am a big, muscular guy and I'm ambivalent between topping and bottoming. BUT...I am a complete and utter sub. I feel like there's a fair number of us out there.

>>2650831
OP, even if you are fem and a bottom, are you capable of being dom? Some of my favorite experiences have been with guys much smaller / more feminine than me, but who were fully dominant and knew how to put a good boy like me in my place. Just a suggestion.

>>2650856
>OP, even if you are fem and a bottom, are you capable of being dom? Some of my favorite experiences have been with guys much smaller / more feminine than me, but who were fully dominant and knew how to put a good boy like me in my place. Just a suggestion.

I'm not sure what you mean about being dom. I'm not into humiliating others, that's just not my nature. Do you mean more like take charge? I don't know to be honest because I've never tried since anytime I would express interest in a muscular guy, I wouldn't get a response.

>this fucking thread again
the answers are literally identical every single time. girl start scrapbooking, knitting or join a reading club or something? get a fuckin hobby instead of posting this same shit every so often

>>2650883
tfw i want to go for this build so bad but i don't want to get fat or be perceived as fat, such is life

>>2650907
Personally I think that's the best muscle build, a nice mix of both muscle with a little bit of fat. But it's true that if you don't stay on top of things, you can turn fat.

>>2650884
This answer tells me “no.” Dominance and submission are broad categories; humiliation need not be a part of it. It can be as simple as vibes and attitude.

>>2650924
Yeah probably not then. I mean when I think about it, I probably could be a little more dom in the sense of telling the guy to do and playfully treating him like a dog telling him what I want him to do but I don't know if that's what you mean lol.

Threads like this make me sad. You guys are so shallow. 99% of people like you die alone.

as if gay people aren't all the same, ironic

>>2650938
What do you mean?

>>2651041
Pls show I full pic of that ass I’m begging you sir

>>2651053
Unfortunately I dont know who he is lol

Who is genuinely attracted to the kind of men posted ITT, including OP? Even for all the talk about how gays have low standards and would be down to fuck almost anything and everything, I doubt a lot of us fags here would be turned on by these grotesque "physiques".

It would be much better for autistic retarded gymcel guys to stop chasing such Everest tier standards. Because the only thing you all are going to end up doing is injecting yourself with gazillion different varieties of steroids and die of heart attacks by the time you all even reach the age of 45.

But I guess if you all want to keep chasing after small balled shrunken dick mutant animal like gymceller NPCs, who am I to stop you.

>>2651053
>>2651074
That's rwalker866

>>2651171
Everyone has different types. Me personally, I'm totally into bigger muscular guys like the ones posted in this thread even if they're roided. I agree that the downsides of getting that big are not great and ideally, I'd prefer a gymbro guy who didn't use steroids but I'm not gonna lie and say I don't think the roided look can be attractive.

Also roids don't shrink your dick, they do affect the balls though..

>>2650824

I would pay this guy to violently destroy my hips. I want to lick those traps dry after a hot workout then ride his cock trying to wrap my arms around that wide back holding on for dear life as those huge muscles rock my insides

I wish there was a sauce

>>2650821 (OP)
3 steps to help:

1. broaden your preferences (lower your standards)
2. stop comparing yourself to other people. everyone is going to have problems with something, so you will *always* make yourself feel worse if you automatically assume a stranger is better than you
3. be open to friendships with people you might have wanted to date or hook up with, it might lead to connections or just feel good to have a friend

i guarantee these 3 steps will improve your life drastically. optionally, you could meet with a therapist or sex therapist and try moving to a new area if you live somewhere particularly conservative or need to try a new pool of people.

hope it helps

>>2650839
>>2650827
>>2650831
Lol, is it true that a sizeable amount of muscle gays are actually bottoms? I recently installed Grindr and I was surprised to discover that nearly all the muscular guys in my area were bottoms looking for muscular tops. Some of them were even femme "muscle queens."

I didn't bother chatting with any of them since I'm average sized and more of a bottom (versatile). I also only have an average sized dick and many of the muscle gays were size queens. I wanted to find a muscular top to dominate me but all the rare muscle tops only wanted other big muscular types. It felt like most of the muscular guys in my area only wanted other muscular guys.

Is this just a thing in my area or is this an actual trend in the wider gay community lol?

>>2652846
I feel like this is just the hidden truth about gay dating when it comes to the gay muscular men. From the outside you would think there would be more of them who were tops but in reality when you actually look, most of them are actually bottoms, even the ones who say they are "verse bottoms", let's cut the bullshit, they really mean "bottom" lol.

My theory is that a lot of these guys may have made themselves muscular as a defense mechanism to dissuade straight men from punking on them but when all is said and done, they actually do prefer the bottom role but want to get topped by other muscular men. Well that or bear type men.

>>2650821 (OP)
I’m into geeky goth fem guys but I know it will never work out I’m 6’2 260 not super lean on fat percent but people tell I’m skinny if I wear baggy xl shirts. It’s all over there’s no point.

>>2654138
Well people tell me I’m skinny even with normal shirts but it makes me uncomfortable when people touch me without my permission.

>>2654139
wtf does the last part have to do with anything

>>2653244
No pain, no gain. Now tell me that’s not a submissive’s mentality? Taking a big fucking dick hurts. So does working out. A lot of the submissive men I’ve met struggle with decision making, with anxiety, with stress. They don’t just like the endorphins from exercise, but the idea that no one is going to ask a muscle jock for their opinion, or expect them to be smart, is appealing. And let’s not mention objectification, that bimbo like desire to be seen for your body and not your non existent personality. To be paraded around like a trophy, a conquest. And to be treated like a fucking princess. It becomes easy to see why so many of the gym bunnies end up wishing to be male playboy bunnies too.

Im an arab skinny top, pretty tall
Been fucking muscle bottom only (i live in paris) even if they are vers top or vers, if you are Hung and dominant its enough for them.
Most of them are sub sluts just waiting for someone to use them

>>2650821 (OP)
Unironically sis, find a slightly chubby Gym guy
He'll treat you like a princess and you still get the benefits of being with someone much stronger than you

The vast majority of gym rats are closeted Bi or Gay. Work with that fact

>>2654466
>hurts. So does working out
Working out doesnt hurt until you blow out your back

>>2653244
Most bodybuilders become closet gays because the steroids and objectification of oneself for an audience of men causes excitement. Usually they dont start out that way, they were groomed from childhood by musclemen movies and cartoons.

>>2651749
>lower your standards

Terrible advice.

>>2655129
All love is compromise
You'll never find the perfect man and if they exist they're probably straight or already taken
Everyone has baggage
You'll always find something you don't like with another person
It's better to realize this early

>>2655161
Sounds like a copout

>>2655161
Compromising on minuscule things is one thing but when it comes to compromising on a guy as a whole who doesn't fit even closer to your type is just a recipe for a miserable relationship.

Why would I work out like crazy control my diet shave and wax my body and lift heavy only to settle for another masc guy? I want a fem top bf and if I can’t find him then fair enough I’m accepting my fate of dying alone.

>>2650821 (OP)
I am a muscular masculine top who loves slim feminine guys. Unfortunately it seems like most twinks only want other twinks. Weirdly, the exception to this in my area is non-whites. The majority of hispanic/asian/black twinks in my area seem to love muscular white tops, so something like 80% of my hookups have been with them. I don't have a racial preference, they just tend to reciprocate the attraction more.

I feel like middle eastern dudes are the surefire go to for anyone twinkish/fem if you want masc/muscular

>>2659210
>Why wold I work out like crazy, control my diet, shave and wax my body, and lift heavy to only settle for another masc guy
It's mainly because in the gay dating world, it seems that muscular guys, especially swole muscular guys are only interested in other muscular guys. The whole "become what you're attracted to" mantra is a big thing in the gay dating scene.

I mean speaking for yourself, are you gay or are you bisexual? If you're bi then it's not as surprising why you wouldn't mind a fem guy but do you expect the fem guy to be muscular? That's the question lol.

>>2659325
>Unfortunately it seems like most twinks only want other twinks
I hear this a lot and I don't see this at all where i live which is not a small town. Most other twinks in my area seem to prefer athletic guys or bears. I mean, how old you are? Are you an older guy who is into 18--22 year olds? Because if that's the case, yeah I can see that more because I remember when I was at that age, I saw more twink types preferring other twink types but when I got to around 24-25, that's when I noticed a shift.

>>2659337
Is that right? Are you speaking from the perspective of a fellow fem guy yourself?
Also even if this is true, I can't help but feel that there is ugly downside with middle eastern men like this...

Honestly I would take these so called muscular guys who say they like twinks, let alone feminine twinks with a pinch of salt because in my experience, muscular guys are not into us at all. I live in southern California and anytime I go on a muscular guy's Grindr, they are only into other muscular guys or heavyset bear types.

It makes me wonder if these so called muscular guys ITT who say they are into us fem twinks are not just bears who sometimes hit the gym and may have some muscle but don't look like big muscle gymbros. Because the only guys who seem to be into us if it's not another twink, are usually heavier bear types.

>>2650821 (OP)
Just my own observations, I've always noticed the roid-abusing muscular guys are always going for these fatass chubs.

I think it's their "bigorexia" issues. They're just attracted to massive bodies, whether that's fat or muscular.

>>2660743
Yeah I've noticed this too. If they aren't just solely attracted to other big roided muscular guys, they are into bear type chubs who have little muscle. I think you're right that for these guys, it's either bigorexia and they just like bigness overall regardless if it's muscle or fat, it's the size that really gets them going.

And that's all fine and good, you like what you like but it's such a big bummer for those of little guys who like the roided out muscular (or non-roid) muscular guys and like being skinnier/slimmer than them and are really into that drastic size difference. It really makes you wonder if such bigger muscular guys even like guys who are like 3-5x smaller and skinnier than them because there are plenty of us on the reverse side but hardly (if any), guys opposite of us.

Because personally I like being slim built and I'm just not gonna put up pounds of weight be it fat or muscle just to get a guy like this to like me when I actually like my body just the way it is and don't want to give myself body dysmorphia. But it does legitimately suck that there aren't muscular guys who are into guys like us, you'd think there would be some who actually like being bigger than the guy they're with but in reality, it seems like these guys actually want to be smaller with the guys they're with.

>>2650821 (OP)
I'm in the same situation, but also tall, Latino and a bottom. Do muscular guys not like slim guys? I didn't know...

>>2660768
nta but you described it perfectly, it really fucking sucks, such is life

>>2652846
It’s a trend in the wider gay community. Fags literally seek out their twins. It’s why most couples tend to look a like. It’s quite sad actually because while I do understand that you have to become what you want to attract, it’s so rare to see the muscular introvert with a loud mouth charismatic normal looking man or two shut ins who take care of themselves but are completely anti social against everyone else. It’s such a weird dichotomy to experience

>>2654889
Yeah I have to say, I think the costumes we all wear are pretty pointless and everyone is missing the key detail that we are visual creatures as men and you can back it up by your dicks interest. So these roles or stereotypes are simple projections. Don’t really believe that every muscle bottom is a jacked up Superman, but they do take shots like giant Dobermans so maybe it makes it easier to clean out and get turned out by some dick

>>2655128
Your second point is bullshit, but regarding the hormones they take. No one has mentioned how the cocktails some of these idiots inject lend itself to also becoming trannies or cross dressers which is funny to me because we now know it’s all the crap affecting their brains chemistry paired with social acceptance of mental illness that influenced them that way. It’s like their body is becoming an extreme so why not their sexual appetite with degenerative thoughts.

>>2655161
Wise words and the idiots saying this advise is cope are losers who have never been in a normal committed relationship.

>>2659337
They’re not, just pure fetish. We have them coming into the USA in truck loads and I have not seen any of these fags or the demographic change and affect the white population of popularity. Speaking as a Spanish/meztisso

>>2660284
You have to remember that this current generation of fags has also bastardized all the slang we use to describe a body or personality type. The fact I see and hear these retards out here calling people 30+ older twinks is embarrassing. In what world does that desperate attempt, hold water when the community is so vain when it comes to looks and dick size. These old fags out here regardless of how in shape they may be are now doing the exact same thing straight woman do to not be called out for being old and dusty. 40 is the new 30, but I’m seeing that shit coming from 50 year olds. I swear the community needs a good and violent whiplash within itself cause it’s really needed at this point. The gays attained all the acceptance they wanted and now they fucked it all up. The scene trully feels dead and the ftm are helping either to the point that pdfiles are more than rampant on hook up sites. Any guy from 2012 and before remembers what it was like existing as a fag and the road to hell is truly paved with good intentions.

>>2660743
They actually have body dysmorphia couple with an eating disorder. So opposites attract because they are both abusing themselves on different ends. Your only with a fat ass if they have bucket loads of money or are delusional cause nobody wants a walking disease that simple isn’t taking care of themselves. Drug addicts might and the mentally ill, but most of us would rather be alone than deal with a lardass.

>>2662241
Your problem is more attached to your height. First impressions and people generally being stupid

>>2651171
I don't think I've ever seen grapes this sour before. Lol

>>2662265
So what you're saying here is that there's another possibility that these muscular guys who go for chubs do so because subconsciously the muscular guy wishes he could eat like a chub and through some psychological thing, they actually get satisfaction being with a chub and live vicariously through their chub BF?

>>2662255
It really is. I'm not a twink anymore as i'm in my early 30s however with the power of exercise and watching my diet, my body still has the build of one and I even get people thinking I'm younger than I actually am all thanks to a decades long skin-care routine.
Anyway I workout and I have developed a rather nice (imo) slim built body and the hardship of not having luck of muscular guys be into a guy like me even as someone who does workout and practice decent eating habits, it tends to hit me a lot on my gym days. I have a good workout and I feel good but when I leave and go back to my real life and notice how muscular guys on gay social media just aren't interested, it does make me feel a certain way.

>>2662461
we're on the same boat anon, i completely feel and understand you, i'm 6'4 and with a twink build, i've tried working out, bulking and eating like shit and still slim, and i do have some luck with the types i like (mostly chub, fat, big either muscular or bearish) but the ones that i like are ALWAYS only into similars, i'm lucky just bc i'm a very hairy twunk now, but yeah, been battling with this weird gay dating/hookup culture bullshit, it does really suck but oh well, i guess it's just better to always focus on yourself first, we are gonna make it someday anon

>>2662478
I'm happy I'm not the only one who is going throug hand feels this. Whenever I do attract guys, it's mostly chubs and I'm just not attracted to that unfortunately. The thing that makes my personal attraction to muscular guys even more depressing is that the kind of muscular guys that I'm into are not the super chiseled, six-pack abs, magazine model type, I like the muscular guys who have a tiny bit of fat to them like picrel. They don't need to look shredded or anything, I like the "offseason" muscle look but as noticed in the gay scene, these guys tend to like similar built guys or chubs. But I genuinely like my body so I just roll with the tide. This is where I will admit I can be envious of women because straight guys with these builds tend to like smaller slimmer women whereas it seems rarer (if at all) in the gay dating world.

The thing I will always find so ironic is that if you're a young tiwink or just an older slim built man who takes care of himself, there are so many chubs and bears that will be into you but if you're a muscle chasing slim guy, it'll be so hard to find.

I remember I had three bear type guys who would always try to get at me and they said that they weren't into muscular guys at all but 2 of these bears looked relatively conventionally attractive, the type that a muscular guy who likes bears would be into yet these particular guys are not into them. Meanwhile you have a muscle chaser slim guy who would totally want to be with the muscle guy who is into the bear. It's such an ironic paradox lol.

>>2663091
life is so funny and crazy, specially the sociocultural aspects of it, it really just seems like a game

>>2663118
It really is. I wouldn't mind the bear thing if they were muscle bears but even they seem to majority fall in line with the muscle4muscle or muscle4fat crowd. Like damn.

I mean I'd like to believe that there are muscular guys who absolutely love guys who are smaller than them and workout mostly for themselves but I'm starting to think this is the one kind of gay man that just does not exist.

>>2660768
>>2662459

as a lard ass with a bodybuilder fetish this is great news for me.Ive always heard the opposite more of what >>2662258 was saying.

k

Bump. I do I attract a guy more attractive than me and not less attractive guys?

>>2650892
literally. People who focus on physical attributes only are so fucking shallow. I'm personally a tall, physically average guy and while i am attracted to big guys like *some* of the ones in this thread, judging on the character of most of them that i've met, they all have crazy egos and let the roids get to their brains. Studies even show that muscular men are only preferred for hookups because they're so emotionally stunted and driven by their dicks (i wonder why). The ultimate solution for all my sisters in here is to literally not gaf about finding a long-term or hookup, get their personality game up, have a good talk with themselves and find a darn hobby. Women have shown us all that you literally do not need a man, so stop chasing ones that apparently do not want anything to do with you because they're shallow. Thank you.

>>2667318
have a huge dick or be very tall, you need to make up elsewhere

>>2667445
>make up elsewhere
I think this is right, insofar as it’s saying you need to bring something special to the table if you are trying to get something special yourself. I do think this is mistaken, though, for assuming it needs to be in the same category (body / appearance).

I posted earlier in the thread, but let me reiterate: more of us roided big guys are subs than you might think—and good, natural doms are hard to come by. I’m in a long-term relationship that is the best of my life, and he’s not another huge guy nor an outlier physically in any other way. He’s handsome and kind, don’t get me wrong, but those are more like bare minimums to check off, not something special that would have me thinking marriage like I am.

The truth is that he is so fucking perfect at OWNING me that it makes me melt and whimper. He is casually a little dom all the time (it manifests in small ways, hard to describe), and then he really turns it on when he wants me to be a good boy for him.

Anyway, you can’t fake this, of course. My point can be generalized though: find whatever DOES make you a rarity, and then find a big beefy guy for whom that is valuable.

>>2667718
Would you say that most big roided up muscular guys are submissive bottoms?

>>2669331
It's often the case, which really suprisses me.

If I was huge I would no be a bottom. Even as a skinny guy I would never get fucked.

I can definitely relate to the thread as a feminine slim built guy who is into big muscled men. The ironic thing is that I work at a gym and have worked there for years but in my experience, most muscular guys tend to avoid me so I don't really get into interact with any and whenever I would have my Grindr run, I have never gotten hit up by any either, I only seem to get out of shape older men.

It definitely feels demoralizing at times because I think I look fine, even cute but it's just not enough for those kinds of guys it seems.. :(

I'm tall and bulky but am dieting/recomping to be slimmer. Do I have any hope of attracting roided manlets who are shorter than me?