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Anonymous No.7680413 [Report] >>7680418 >>7680422 >>7680447 >>7680573 >>7680694 >>7680871 >>7680886 >>7681112 >>7681128 >>7681140 >>7681239 >>7681246 >>7681271 >>7681806 >>7681806 >>7682428 >>7682504 >>7682650 >>7683162 >>7684118 >>7684147
Loomis won't teach you soul
>Fell for it again
Anonymous No.7680418 [Report] >>7680440 >>7682079
>>7680413 (OP)
Is this the power of copying setteis?
Options Field No.7680422 [Report]
>>7680413 (OP)
I'm sure this has everything to do with a general construction method and not with some designs looking better in more expressive artstyles.
Anonymous No.7680440 [Report]
>>7680418
1st is faux anime with cartoon characteristics but overall more settei adjacent than 2nd
2nd is fully transitioned KGJ adjacent faux anime
Anonymous No.7680447 [Report] >>7680564 >>7681143 >>7681160
>>7680413 (OP)
It's also just a less appealing pose. Having the subject look dead on at the viewer isn't nearly as fun as the 3/4 turn, plus the expression is better in the '22 image.
So it's hard to say if they have 'regressed' skill wise, or if this just a case of one singular image being better than another, because I'm not bothering to look them up and dig through their work.
Anonymous No.7680462 [Report]
forced soul
Anonymous No.7680564 [Report]
>>7680447
this, so much this
Anonymous No.7680573 [Report]
>>7680413 (OP)
This is just stagnation. These are the same pictures skill wise, just different stylization and pose.
Anonymous No.7680582 [Report]
Another case of a western artist trying to force their own “style”
Anonymous No.7680679 [Report]
At the 2025 drawing, the eyes look as if they were placed asymmetrically. Something wrong is also with the chin. Pose of the 2022 drawing is more dynamic
Anonymous No.7680694 [Report]
>>7680413 (OP)
2025 is definitely more technically improved but 2022 has more fun shape language i guess
Anonymous No.7680722 [Report] >>7680736 >>7680737 >>7680740 >>7680754 >>7680785 >>7680794 >>7680797 >>7680801 >>7680803 >>7680826 >>7680871 >>7680882 >>7680886 >>7681030 >>7681048 >>7681112 >>7681128 >>7681233 >>7681243 >>7681806 >>7682543
him trying to recreate the appeal of the 2022 one was even sadder
Anonymous No.7680736 [Report] >>7680803
>>7680722
This is sad.
Anonymous No.7680737 [Report] >>7680746 >>7680803
>>7680722
If this was my "progress" after 3 years I would just give up on art completely.
Anonymous No.7680740 [Report] >>7680803
>>7680722
oof
Anonymous No.7680746 [Report] >>7680764
>>7680737
You have no progress because you don't draw
Anonymous No.7680754 [Report]
>>7680722
Not as sad as a beglet opening this kind of coping threads on ic.
Anonymous No.7680764 [Report]
>>7680746
And how the fuck would you even know that, retard? You seem to be projecting.
Anonymous No.7680785 [Report] >>7680799
>>7680722
I like it and I think hes good, nice style
Anonymous No.7680794 [Report] >>7680796 >>7680799
>>7680722
I think this looks good, why are all these crabs saying it's saddening? Maybe the brows could be changed a bit so the smile doesn't look forced but overall I think it's really nice
Anonymous No.7680796 [Report]
>>7680794
You don't know what crabbing means, ESLtard
Anonymous No.7680797 [Report]
>>7680722
God you guys are fucking fags this is actually good
Anonymous No.7680799 [Report] >>7680804 >>7681147
>>7680794
>>7680785
After several years of drawings this is the best he can come up with. How is that not sad?
Anonymous No.7680801 [Report]
>>7680722
lolz
Anonymous No.7680803 [Report] >>7680808 >>7680814 >>7680819
>>7680722
>>7680736
>>7680737
>>7680740
Nah, I think your nodraw crab samefagging is much sadder
Anonymous No.7680804 [Report] >>7680816
>>7680799
>Bruv look at what this dude posted. All these years drawing and he thinks posting this shit was a flex. If you cant pump out highly produced slop 24/7 whats the fucking point?
Anonymous No.7680808 [Report]
>>7680803
>I think
lol
Anonymous No.7680814 [Report]
>>7680803
this
i'm sick of nodraw opinions
Anonymous No.7680816 [Report]
>>7680804
it's funny how this is just less developed anime. but it's still leagues above cartoons where all line/shape complexity is trivialized no matter the amount of cringe rendering or polish they try to put onto it.

makes me wonder what the west would come up with in current year if their art didn't get coopted.
Anonymous No.7680819 [Report]
>>7680803
How do I know you are not a nodraw crab faggot as well?
sage No.7680826 [Report] >>7680828 >>7680837
>>7680722
>another ic beglet crabbing on someone better thread
lol at least this bait is decent
Anonymous No.7680828 [Report] >>7680876
>>7680826
>You are not allowed to criticize anyone better than you
How does that make sense? Everyone here has eyes ao I don't see how pointing out facts observed is not allowed unless you are a master of arts.
Anonymous No.7680837 [Report]
>>7680826
>thread is literally about his own audience telling him he got worse and they like his old art more
>hurr their opinions don't count durr
???
Anonymous No.7680871 [Report] >>7683683
>>7680413 (OP)
>>7680722
I think more people aren't terrified enough of losing soul. A commonly-held belief is that if you keep working hard, you'll get better. However, in reality, you may end up shifting laterally instead of vertically. That is, creating something different, not better. All change is not necessarily progress. The worst part about this is that many people's judgements drift as their styles drift, preventing them from noticing the areas they excelled in before, as is evident here.
Anonymous No.7680876 [Report]
>>7680828
Why are you being obtuse? We don't need 400 threads daily of pointless crabbing on strangers. These posts are against the rules, unfortunately our only janny comes to /ic/ 1 day a week
Anonymous No.7680882 [Report]
>>7680722
nah it looks better than the 2022 one and has a better pose than the 2025 example
Anonymous No.7680886 [Report]
>>7680413 (OP)
>>7680722
All 3 look better than what I see here on average. It ain't easy trying to find the right balance of realism and stylization for your own style
Anonymous No.7680891 [Report]
God i fucking hate nodraws
Anonymous No.7681030 [Report]
>>7680722
Well it looks good, but I have the feeling it was hours of liquify, ctrl z, and canvas flipping to get JUST right.
Anonymous No.7681033 [Report] >>7681044
/ic/ needs visible IPs so desperately it's basically a mean spirited joke that the board exists at all
Anonymous No.7681044 [Report] >>7681047
>>7681033
i said this before, this board needs to be like soc and everyone should have an ip trip code or something with country flag included. the parasocial behavior on this board is insane
Anonymous No.7681047 [Report]
>>7681044
>Muh country flags
That's a retarded meme that only allows people to shitposting about someone's country without addressing his opinion at all.
Anonymous No.7681048 [Report]
>>7680722
cute
Anonymous No.7681112 [Report] >>7681128 >>7681140 >>7681593 >>7684118
>>7680413 (OP)
>>7680722
better comparison
Anonymous No.7681128 [Report] >>7681145 >>7683250
>>7680413 (OP)
>>7680722
>>7681112
why do they draw the pupil to the side like that? It looks like its sunken into the iris. which is kind of correct.
I never thought to do that. it seems to work though.
Anonymous No.7681140 [Report]
>>7680413 (OP)
>>7681112
All of these are good and the artist clearly improved.
Anonymous No.7681143 [Report]
>>7680447
The problem is that the more some people try to study and perfect their drawings, it becomes more sterile as they meticulously measure everything and wind up just redrawing variations on the same comfortable things over and over because they're afraid of something being wrong. If you have no talent, then absolutely do studies and build up a technical foundation, but if you have natural appeal and talent, sometimes "just drawing" with spontaneity will yield more successful results than if you try to dampen your natural inclinations with attempts at "accuracy."
Anonymous No.7681145 [Report]
>>7681128
>why do they draw the pupil to the side like that?

Because it gives the illusion of depth by simply drawing the pupil further back than it should be. I agree this person is going a bit far and it doesn't help as much as the 2022 one does.
Anonymous No.7681147 [Report]
>>7680799
It's better than many online artists, and you've been misled by the OMG BEGLET SCRIBBLES TO PRO IN 3 YEARS prodigies, when the reality is that for every one of those, there are literally thousands of other artists who make barely any visible progress in that period of time, if not regress in some aspects, and that many artists top out their skill level after a couple years of practice.
And yes, this is even when they try to get better, "but they just aren't trying" is, outside of fetish doodle autismos, is self-soothing cope.
Anonymous No.7681153 [Report] >>7681164
bait post, they're both shit. Left is a bland angle static pose blow up doll expression. Right is what tumblr and furry fags think soul is.
Anonymous No.7681157 [Report] >>7681167
Flouride stare vs retarded

Not sure if any led to positive progress

It's okay to admit you aren't cut out for art
Anonymous No.7681160 [Report]
>>7680447
They had fun in 22 but not in 25.
Anonymous No.7681164 [Report]
>>7681153
true, AI is better than that bait post
Anonymous No.7681167 [Report] >>7681171
>>7681157
If you can't see that the artist in question is good at drawing, regardless of your opinion of the subject matter and if 2025 is better or worse than 2022, you probably aren't cut out for art.
Anonymous No.7681171 [Report] >>7681178
>>7681167
2022 can be seen as an exaggeratedly stylistic choice on purpose, 2025 doesn't prove that the artist has gotten "better"
Anonymous No.7681178 [Report] >>7681906
>>7681171
I'm a bit drunk so I missed your original point

The artist isn't complete dogshit yes but does their work stand out on any level not really. Fails the ai test too. Basically completely dependent on how well they can network
Anonymous No.7681233 [Report] >>7681256 >>7681593 >>7681806 >>7681827 >>7682232 >>7682245 >>7682403 >>7683643 >>7683681 >>7683700
>>7680722
far side of face looked wonky
Anonymous No.7681236 [Report] >>7682229
what book will teach me to be creative and loose with my drawings?
Anonymous No.7681239 [Report]
>>7680413 (OP)
Right IS much easier so it makes sense it could be the old drawing
Anonymous No.7681243 [Report]
>>7680722
The long and detailed hands does not fit the head. That's why it looks wrong
Anonymous No.7681246 [Report]
>>7680413 (OP)
>tranime
Anonymous No.7681256 [Report] >>7682245
>>7681233
This is better. If the hair were more fluid and the hand were corrected, it'd be at least on par with the 2022 one.
Anonymous No.7681271 [Report]
>>7680413 (OP)
Bro anytime I make a thread slightly like this it gets deleted in less than 5 minutes, how the fuck is this trash still up?
Anonymous No.7681511 [Report]
STOP DOING AFTER/BEFORE.
Anonymous No.7681593 [Report] >>7681594 >>7682245
>>7681112
>>7681233
I would kill myself if this happened to me.
Anonymous No.7681594 [Report] >>7681611
>>7681593
You mean if you drew
Anonymous No.7681611 [Report] >>7681637
>>7681594
are you just one guy stalking the thread for opportunities to dish out lukewarm "lol nodraw" comments, or are there many of your kind
Anonymous No.7681637 [Report]
>>7681611
Everybody here sees right through you craboid
Anonymous No.7681701 [Report] >>7681743
I can only draw well if I'm super passionate and motivated, otherwise my drawings look like prokos crap.
Anonymous No.7681743 [Report] >>7681744
>>7681701
let me guess, you're never motivated
Anonymous No.7681744 [Report] >>7681751
>>7681743
bingo
Anonymous No.7681751 [Report]
>>7681744
Do also you suffer from adhd and autism by any chance?
Anonymous No.7681799 [Report]
this thread is in dire need of some PYW
Anonymous No.7681806 [Report] >>7681860 >>7682245
>>7680413 (OP)
Only thing going for the right are the eyes. Everything else is extremely simple or riddled with mistakes, like that creepy ear (biggest offender honestly) and arm extending outwards. She's also literally a child here which might explain why fags prefer this variant.
Left looks unnatural and obviously abuses symmetry tool with some lineart alterations. Her neck is too long and her shoulders are too small, overall off-looking proportions. She is way less cute here and her stare is quite unsettling.
>>7680722
Now this is a good middle ground. She succeeds in being both cute and mature. Linework looks better than the first two, has some visible texture to it and neat variation. I'm honestly more impressed he can pull off two art styles that look so different than the improvement from 2022. It's not even a big improvement but there's only so much you can do with a minimal detail white void pinups. There's a ton of tangents that piss me off and the arm... I see what he wanted to do with it but the illusion of the perspective isn't there, sorry. Anyway, nothing sad about it. It's better than >>7680413 (OP) although not by a large margin. I really have no idea why anyone prefers 2022 version
>>7681233
Good fixes, I like the more dynamic body and using it to cover up bad hand.
rip fang though 0/10
Anonymous No.7681827 [Report] >>7682245
>>7681233
Yeah. Long hands, long arms, and slouched (and non-expressive) pose. It kinda gives off a nervous and static girl look instead of a happy expressive girl vibes that the original one had. This isn't really deficient in technical skills, but a different skillset like understanding motion and composition
Anonymous No.7681860 [Report]
>>7681806
Post your redraw.
Anonymous No.7681886 [Report] >>7681894
what the fuck is settei adjacent
Anonymous No.7681894 [Report]
>>7681886
seti @ home
Anonymous No.7681906 [Report]
>>7681178
What’s the ai test
Anonymous No.7682079 [Report]
>>7680418
This is actually what happens when you stop copying settei and learn jewish fundies instead
Anonymous No.7682229 [Report]
>>7681236
force by mike matesi
Anonymous No.7682232 [Report] >>7682235 >>7683680
>>7681233
dear god you made it even deader
Anonymous No.7682235 [Report] >>7682371
>>7682232
>t. blind
Anonymous No.7682245 [Report] >>7683680
>>7681233
>>7681256
>>7681593
>>7681806
>>7681827
HAHAHAHAHA oh man this board is worthless
Anonymous No.7682258 [Report] >>7683067
what is with these people who post paragraphs that boil down to "I dont like the color red, so it sucks".

They will write "lterally a child" like its some scathing remark that pierces through their soul and should plunge them in eternal shape. Nigga you're on 4chan, how can you even THINK that this was a good thing to say?
Anonymous No.7682371 [Report] >>7682373
>>7682235
if you genuinely can't see why the redraw is worse, i feel bad for you.
Anonymous No.7682373 [Report]
>>7682371
If you can't see why it's better, i feel good for you, you probably think your art is good.
Anonymous No.7682403 [Report]
>>7681233
good job anon
Anonymous No.7682428 [Report]
>>7680413 (OP)
I looked at his media tab and he got better, but why'd he redraw a human picture, in a style he doesn't even draw humans in no less? 95% of the drawings are sonic furries, and the sonic furries look better.
Anonymous No.7682430 [Report] >>7682543
they were already pretty good
and i don't think they got worse
Anonymous No.7682504 [Report] >>7682520 >>7682561
>>7680413 (OP)
They have gotten better since 2022. Here's another human drawing from 2024, although just looking through their timeline it looks like they mostly draw Sonic characters so that could potentially seep into their human designs.
Anonymous No.7682520 [Report]
>>7682504
if I posted this to /ic/ people would redline the shit out of her face and ask where her nose is
Anonymous No.7682543 [Report]
>>7682430
Well listen anon, to make a sincere post for a second, a big thing most artists fail at whenever they do these "before and after" comparison pics is that they conflate "style" and "design" as the same thing. They think to themselves whenever they look at their old art "Oh dude Ive been studying for years I can put out way better art then this" and try to do an old piece again but the pit that they fall into is that they just default to whatever they were doing currently without actually thinking about the choices they made in the past and how they can translate that to a better drawing.
Like look at OP's image, from a design perspective these two are not the same character, her eyes are shrunken to a more realistic shape(for anime anyway) smaller mouth, more sharp angles, it honestly looks like a Love Live character cosplaying as the girl in the previous drawing and NOT like the old design but just "better" and when she called out by her fans she clearly realized that and responded with this drawing >>7680722
which incorporates the same design elements but drawn with more confidence and better sensibilities.
Even when you are a complete beg who doesnt understand shit like anatomy, shape language or whatever, when you are making those early drawings there is still intent, there is still a reason why you decided to do that eye shape or that hairstyle and those colors, so if you as an artist want to approach a previous subject matter you shouldnt just shit something out by default, you should think WHY you decided to draw what you did back then and make it better.
For me the big red pill on thinking about design and "muh style" as separate things was reading pic related. In it it talks about how different animators approached animating characters, and the author was going on about "this artist drew the character like this and this one drew it like that" even though its the same design, but thats cause he wasnt talking about design, it was the approach.
Anonymous No.7682561 [Report]
>>7682504
Lokks cute desu
Anonymous No.7682650 [Report] >>7682682
>>7680413 (OP)
What kind of psychopath puts the after picture on the left?
Anonymous No.7682682 [Report]
>>7682650
Japs, or pretend japs
Anonymous No.7683067 [Report]
>>7682258
>They will write "lterally a child" like its some scathing remark that pierces through their soul and should plunge them in eternal shape. Nigga you're on 4chan, how can you even THINK that this was a good thing to say?
I noticed /ic/ was invaded by a horde of twitterinas with terminal social media brainrot as of late. The kind that grew up on outrage culture and now think they need to hold every moral highgrounds or be destroyed. They are utterly mind broken from always being on the edge walking on the eggshels 24/7.
Anonymous No.7683162 [Report] >>7683163
>>7680413 (OP)
Yes, he does. They didn't pay attention.

> "Let us see the artist himself coming through his work - his feeling about it, his joy in doing it. If this is achieved, the work will never be considered imitation, for it is not an imitation. [...] Have the courage to believe in what you see, as you see it, and to draw it that way, even if Jim Jones sees things another way. That is what makes each of you an artist. [...] When all is right the public really clucks over a thing. When it is wrong they are usually silent. The successful artist must keep them clucking."
> -- Andrew Loomis, Successful Drawing.
Anonymous No.7683163 [Report] >>7683280
>>7683162
Tastes evolve. Artist might've just learned to love this new less abstracted style better.
Anonymous No.7683250 [Report]
>>7681128
Only the transparent cornea is bulging out, the actual lens is sunken in, so the hole in the iris is like a hole in the center of a plate
Anonymous No.7683280 [Report]
>>7683163
>less abstracted style
fundamentally it's not less abstracted. they're both cartoons that mimic anatomy abstractly instead of implementing it with its own design like anime does.
Anonymous No.7683643 [Report] >>7683680
>>7681233
>/ic/ retard attempts to "correct" someone else's art and makes it worse
everytime
Anonymous No.7683680 [Report] >>7683694
>>7682232
>>7682245
>>7683643
what's wrong with it
Anonymous No.7683681 [Report]
>>7681233
The pose is worse, the mouth is worse, the hand somehow looks gigantic despite being the same size and shoulder got even more dislocated that the original. I hope replies is just you samefagging, otherwise I feel disgusted that I might've unknowingly taken retards who complemented you seriously at some point in the past.
Anonymous No.7683683 [Report] >>7683745 >>7683752
>>7680871
Honestly, I think it's just a matter of consciously deciding what you want from your work. This guy is focusing too much on technical skill now that he "got better" and seems to have completely forgotten about his creative skills. Making souful art is a skill too.
Anonymous No.7683694 [Report] >>7683780
>>7683680
soulless
Anonymous No.7683700 [Report] >>7683703 >>7683721 >>7683873 >>7684033
>>7681233
How can you be missing the biggest issue of all? THE HAIR COVERING THE FACE AND NO FUCKING TEETH! HOW CAN YOU MISS SOMETHING LIKE THAT?
Anonymous No.7683703 [Report]
>>7683700
THAT is what made the original cute.
Anonymous No.7683721 [Report] >>7683724
>>7683700
jfc you people are somehow worse than imbeciles on twitter
Anonymous No.7683724 [Report] >>7683733
>>7683721
Post your opinion then. I dare you.
Anonymous No.7683733 [Report] >>7683737
>>7683724
It's always a frog poster. Every single time.
Here's a fact for you.
Original art was good for what it is and every single dumbfuck ITT who dogpiled the guy is a prebeg nigger crab. Your opinion is dogshit. The redraw is dogshit. Whoever said it was good should be given forced tripcode and their opinions should never be taken seriously.
Anonymous No.7683737 [Report]
>>7683733
I'm literally saying the same as you you retarded faggot. The original pic was better for the reasons I pointed out.
Anonymous No.7683745 [Report] >>7683752
>>7683683
chat, how do you paint like this?
Anonymous No.7683752 [Report]
>>7683745
>>7683683
Not mine btw. Author is @floweryMegu.
Anonymous No.7683780 [Report]
>>7683694
the question was “what’s wrong with it?” not “can you restate what i replied to?”
Anonymous No.7683873 [Report]
>>7683700
It's not just that, the original's gesture and composition is better. The decision to cut it of mid arm leads you to the spiral of the hair which leads you to the eyes. The head band following the flow of the form, the lines are all working together to bring energy to the piece... Compared to the stiff awkward pose of the other one and forcing the hand there. The mouth of the original one is kind of ridiculous though I also like how the ear is designed in the 2025 version

2022 looks like she's mid skip/jump with high energy and 2025 looks like she was bought out of daydreaming to say hi to awkwardly say hi to someone
Anonymous No.7683948 [Report]
Man it’s sad to know I’m still way below even people who are getting dogged, and I’ve been drawing more than long enough that I could be decent.
Anonymous No.7683963 [Report]
You will generally get worse before you get better. You will suck at new techniques and they'll make your drawings look stiff and lifeless, but it'll come back once you get used to it and internalize the methods. And then you'll suck again once you learn something else new. That's just what happens when you draw to 'the best of your ability'. If you want to draw consistently good art, you have to keep your actual skill level well above where you actually draw at, so your artistic intentions are never fighting with your ability to realize them.
Anonymous No.7684033 [Report] >>7684070 >>7684101 >>7684134
>>7683700
I bust my ass constructing a face I'm not going to cover it up with fucking hair
Anonymous No.7684070 [Report] >>7684083 >>7684085
>>7684033
>I bust my ass constructing
Anonymous No.7684083 [Report] >>7684086
>>7684070
All the mangaka you worship do exactly that for decades before learning to freehand it.
Anonymous No.7684085 [Report] >>7684088
>>7684070
do why did weebs collectively decided that they should be drawing color-coded construction for one-off drawings when it's meant for animators to communicate and keep frames and overlaps consistent
Anonymous No.7684086 [Report]
>>7684083
prove it
Anonymous No.7684088 [Report]
>>7684085
Asking weebs to think is quite the ask.
Anonymous No.7684089 [Report] >>7684095
why aren't anime animators considered the best artists?
Anonymous No.7684095 [Report] >>7684100
>>7684089
because the character designers are
Anonymous No.7684100 [Report]
>>7684095
but animators can literally draw and construct anything
Anonymous No.7684101 [Report]
>>7684033
That is why you fail
Anonymous No.7684118 [Report] >>7684130
>>7680413 (OP)
>>7681112
the 2022 one has a more spontaneous linework and is reminiscent of 90's anime
while 2025 has thicker lines and looks more modern
>he got worse
no the difference between the two are not skill wise but stylistic
>why didn't he improve, why did he stagnate?
he already had an industry level in 2022 (as far as cute anime girls go) there's quite literally nothing to improve (i mean of course there is but his art clearly does the job unless you want to nitpick)
>2022 is more soulful
remaking something tends to do that. the spontaneity of the original is always lost in the process thus appearing as worse.

but for those of you who still maintain that he got worse you'll need to compare more drawings from these two periods if you want to have an accurate judgment. because you never know, the 2022 drawing could've been the golden nugget in a sea of shit. 1 good drawing can't be representative of 1 whole year
progress is rarely a straight line
Anonymous No.7684130 [Report]
>>7684118
>he already had an industry level in 2022 (as far as cute anime girls go)
Anonymous No.7684134 [Report]
>>7684033
the face is just an accessory to the hair
Anonymous No.7684147 [Report]
>>7680413 (OP)
I thought this was backwards at first.