Thread 7778240

ITT We post advice on making money off art.
>If you're doing art as a hobby this is not a thread for (you)
>If you talk about AI art you're going off-topic and should be reported for it
Learning about art fundies is nice and all but that's covered in all sorts of tutorials, books, videos, etc. Making money off your art is something that even pros that went to art school struggle with so share advice on how to make it.
>My advice is to create fanart to grow on social media then pivot into OC content that you own the IP to make money off merch, patreon, youtube, license to publishers, kickstarter, sell media adaptation rights and whatever else you can do with your IP.

>>7778240 (OP)
Nobody cares about original IP unless you're from Japan, S.Korea, China or a big youtube channel like Glitch and Viviziepop. All the new IPs outside of those cases are box office flops or barely sell issues. Only indie games are worth it.

>>7778240 (OP)
It feels like anons here are hostile to the mere suggestion of monetizing art

>>7778462
I think it's because many of anons here are beginners who have an idealized view of drawing as a hobby. Then there are anons who consider themselves serious artists and can't accept that not all art is created purely for artistic expression. But don't take my word for it. Even I feel like I'm generalizing and talking bullshit.

>>7778240 (OP)
Why should I help internet strangers to make money from art lol? The competition is already bad enough.

>>7778240 (OP)
>books written by washouts who couldn't make money with art and needed to grift hopeful retards
lol

>>7778556
What should I read then, anon?

>>7778570
those books written by successful artists
oh wait, they don't write books, they draw
hmmmmmmmm

How do you typically charge for comic-related commissions? I've thought of three ways to handle this, but I'm not sure which is best.
>$100 or $120 per comic book page, with a limit of nine panels per page
>$20 or $25 per panel with a minimum of three panels per page
>the same idea as above, but if the page has more than six panels, the price remains at $120
I've seen people set limits on the number of characters per panel. I don't know if that's a good idea, although I admit it's annoying to work on panels with more than five or six characters.

>>7778540
9 billion people and you think you are important enough to compete for attention of every single one of them.

In my medical opinion; NPD

>>7778240 (OP)
skill doesn't matter, it's the topic that sells or promotes, and if you pick easy enough topic for your skills to handle, it multiplies your chance of being reposted, doesn't increase it.

Saying this as someone who every day grinds out to get better at painting, I really should stop worrying about being good enough and just try to make interesting stuff and post it.

Interesting isn't high quality.

>>7778537
>I think it's because many of anons here are beginners who have an idealized view of drawing as a hobby. Then there are anons who consider themselves serious artists and can't accept that not all art is created purely for artistic expression.

It's the overall attitude of 4chan in general, they're cynical losers and this is a crab bucket. The only ones who are making any money are those who take it seriously and they're all in the NSFW threads.

>>7778537
just lurk in /draw/ /beg/ /asg/ /mmg/ and you'll notice that most anons are not skilled enough to do professional work (myself included)
and to some, the idea of doing porn commissions for peanuts is not really attractive

>>7778537
>there are anons who consider themselves serious artists and can't accept that not all art is created purely for artistic expression.
IIRC Mogoon talk about them, that if you're a fine artist you shouldn't bother with his video course because he's teaching how to draw and make money.

>>7778556
You could say the same thing about normal art books and video courses unless it's Loomis or Vilppu.

>>7778630
I don't get it.

>>7778576
I want a billion DC characters in my comic page, it's an universe ending event, how much?

>>7778641
Mogoon is a pro artist and a sellout so he will draw what the people, industry want regardless of his own taste. He's a slut.

>>7778631
or rockwell, or watts, or huston, or faragasso, or schmidt, or gurney, or guptill, or...
but yeah, if you ignore all the actual professional, successful artists providing instruction, it's just like the random retards nobody ever heard of who don't make money with art selling you books about making money with art!

Is boosty trustworthy platform to sell stuff from? I've not done comissions before but a person has offered to pay for artwork and suggested using boosty because apparently that platform would work best for him/her.

>>7778462
I'm hostile towards "how do I get more likes on my penis drawings online" individuals

Study how young women monetize their beauty [objectively] in order to grasp the economics of aesthetics. Beauty isn’t subjective, and young women aren’t even the peak of aesthetics, handsome men are. Learning how women hustle for money will show you how you can too. Watch “Pimps Up Hoes Down” it’s on YouTube.

>>7778646
I know that you're being sarcastic but pro artists teaching thru books or videos are less than 1% of the tens of thousands of drawing resources made by amateur artists, Youtubers, etc.
Those "how to make money from art books" are an extremely niche topic, hell courses about this topic are hard to find on OnlineCoursesClub because like OP said, even pro artists have a hard time with it, btw I rec picrel, it's a solid primer.

>>7778715
the difference being that 1% actually exists and nobody ever recommends anything else for a reason

>>7778688
>Watch “Pimps Up Hoes Down” it’s on YouTube.
Looks like it got removed. Or at least region-restricted, so I couldn't find it. Gonna torrent it.

>>7778556
This.
>>7778570
You don't you listen to artists who made it and
-Pray they didn't just get lucky
-Pray those doors aren't closed now.
-Pray they're not just nepo babies

>the difference being that 1% actually exists
That 1% exists in every topic, including niche stuff like "art business" you just won't find as many resources because it's a smaller library.
>>7778728
>nobody ever recommends anything else
Why are you lying? You know that's bullshit unless you're new here on /ic/
>>7778795
>You don't you listen to artists who made it
You don't just listen to their advice, you have to research if they're telling the truth, it's a good habit to never trust people that made it.

>>7778978
I was here before the old sticky, the only exception to established artists courses was ctrl+paint and hamilton
what's being recommended that doesn't fit the bill?

>>7778978
That’s what I find in most of the art community at my age is either ppl replaced by AI, but seemingly unaffected (trust funds, nepotism, shuffled to something else) or mysterious resume maxxers (trust funds, nepotism) or scammers because not once since starting selling art on eBay have I gotten to take a meaningful break; about 7-8 years of nonstop work with very little return outside a livable income I could easily make doing a regular job. It’s wild the idea of “making it” seems to just mean permanent retirement for people who frankly never needed money in the first place

>>7779148
connections matter if you want to make it big in any field that produces non-essential produce, no matter the quality.

Art doesn't even qualify as entertainment either anymore because people can't sit the fuck still and observe an image (which is also why music is largely unaffected by this modern issue since it's kinda impossible to ignore fully).

Get into gamedev/visual storytelling and put forth your art in there, if you really want to get a reality check and see if you are artistic enough to siphon an audience.

>>7779155
The connections thing is hyper competitive for those already connected, that’s a huge issue. Like you said most things that pass for art these days are mainly done for prestige, not out of necessity by an artist, so the people in the positions to fight for those opportunities don’t even consider the passionate 20 year old artist trying to “break into the industry”. There’s no honor amongst thieves when it comes to art, just look at Daniel day Lewis’s little fuck of a manchild. These people don’t care

>>7779160
To clarify Daniel gay Jewish just appeared in his own sons “debut film” which will probably win an oscar

>>7779160
you acquiesce yourself with defeat before throwing a punch, therefore you will lose.

>>7778240 (OP)
I don't have any advice that isn't common sense around these parts. I do NSFW commissions and I've been doing that for the past 10 years in place of a real job. I make between 1000-1500 a month doing this, which is a lot for me because I live in a third world country. In the past I would do illustrations mainly but now I mainly do comics and animation due to AI slop flooding the illustration market. Just post your art at least once a week, have a Patreon to get you through rough months, share other artists work who share your work and try not to be political or snobbish to your community.

>>7778576
P-please, someone answer.
>>7779415
What do you post on your Patreon? I've noticed that many artists collect requests and then use polls to choose which ones to draw. I was thinking of doing that, too, along with my regular drawings and maybe some comics.

>>7779617
it depends on your skill level and fame
100 might be too much if you really suck, or extremely cheap if you're good
try posting an example of work so you get better advice

>>7779779
Unfortunately, I can't share any of my newer drawings because the client who commissioned them owns the rights to them. However, I did create this one a few months ago. Around that time, I also published a short comic, but its subject matter is a bit strange.

>>7778576
$100-150 per page depending on your skill/complexity/redraws, etc. there's no set number bcause each project varies quite a bit but that's the rough range I've seen others ask and get.
that said, set the price based on the total project and use that page rate + materials +prep time to calculate total cost. if you're just doing two pages for a comission then $200-300 but if you sign on for a two dozen page project over six months make sure to take that into account. those bigger projects can block you out from other opportunities so you should be charging a bit more for them.

>>7779846
Thanks, anon. I hadn't considered that, but what you said about handling large-scale projects is very reasonable. I'll keep that in mind.

>>7778240 (OP)
>have "pricing may vary on complexity" term on comm sheet
>uhh this birthday cake is a prop so could you do 20 extra
>this pose is tough to pull off so that's an extra 10
>so yeah this background is an additional 20 and that dress is another 10
Anyone else out here vibe pricing? It feels guilty pulling random prices out your butthole when you don't have a firm pricelist on all the sorts of things people ask for

>>7779906
people used to go off of "vibes" for most of human history, unless they were forced otherwise, I do that too, don't feel like you are cheating, unless you made a solid ruleset for yourself bout pricing art and you want to keep to your rules.

>>7778648
Pls respond

>>7778576
You should charge per page but tell the customer you going balls out on every single panel not only will wear you out but ruin the storytelling, sometimes you do need those pages with only three panels of people just standing there talking in the void.

He needs to see 120$ not as a something he can optimise but as an average between the insane 300$ double spread in the middle of the chapter, the 200$ fight scenes, and the 60$ pages of pic related.

>>7778576
Charge per page for your own sanity. I personally do $100 per pencil/inks and next year I'm raising it to $150. With comics, I think the higher the page right, the higher quality buyers you get. Cheap writers will 100% take advantage if you, a lesson I learned the hard way
Also you can ask for co-creator rights, a cut of the crowdfunding, and cut of the sales of the final issue if it's sold online
>I've seen people set limits on the number of characters per panel.
That's not up to you, that's just a sign of a bad writer who thinks he's going to make the next MCU. Reject it and don't feel like you need to accept every single offer, because that's desperate and you're not a desperate whore are you, anon?
Always ask to see the full script up front, and get paid for any extra work you do. For example, don't forget to charge for character designs.