where is mesoamerican civilization headed?

>>211626083 (OP)
Rape.

>>211626106
they are your lost cousins why are you like this dragan

>>211626083 (OP)
Why are you so obsessed with South America bro
Do you think you'll get some big bunda women if you keep posting about them

>>211627177
ive never posted anything about south america in my life

>>211627177
mexico is north american

>>211626083 (OP)
its headed back home

>>211628132

>>211626083 (OP)
It died with the 5th sun

>>211629298
what # is this one

bmpo

>>211627177
The Aztecs and Mexico are unrelated to South America, much unlike with the USA

>>211633100
arent there depictions of dieties that kinda look like they are shared between andeans and mesoamericans?

>>211634700
No shared gods, but there's some similar-ish feline art showing up in both regions around proto-Chavin/Chavin times (roughly coinciding with the Olmecs up north).

Early archaeologists assumed the pic related sequence was inverted, but once older Chavinoid complexes on the coast and in the highlands were found, it became clear the Chavin temple was simply the last surviving (and later most important) center of a much older tradition.

>>211636407
isnt the current theory that both andeans and mesoamericans arrived in the area (for the first time) by coastal canoes? basic coastal trade seems like the most straightforward explanation they bought andean trinkets and sold them in mesoamerica and vice versa

kind of like there's vikings buried with rings that say 'allah', was probably from some guy trading along the danube or dnieprer rivers bringing anatolian stuff to the baltic sea

>>211636407
The discovery of Caral and other preceramic sites north of Lima revealed an even earlier origin. Still, Chavin-era art focuses so heavily on wild rainforest animals, but most likely due to some Amazonian influence, and perhaps Amazonian groups were some of the intermediaries in this blurry link with the Olmecs, if such connection existed.

Much earlier than the Chavin, there's one art connection in a step motif carved on a gourd vessel from Caral. It bears the earliest known version of this motif that gradually popularized across the Americas (see the right side of this image).

The gourd also bears the oldest depiction of the Staff God (the anthropomorphic cat on the left), the earliest deity in the New World. However, the deity’s cult never spread nearly as widely as the adjacent motif.

https://thetinkuy.wordpress.com/figure-15-the-twisted-gourd-among-the-nuu-dzaui/
https://thetinkuy.wordpress.com/2020/05/22/twisted-gourd-xicalcoliuhqui-the-symbolic-language-of-the-pre-columbian-rainmakers-a-cosmovision-of-divine-rule-of-a-triadic-universe-2/

>>211636522
Yes, a later link existed, between the cultures of coastal Ecuador and of Mexico’s Pacific coast.

Early peoples spread relatively quickly along the western coast of the Americas like in 15000 BC via coastal travel, but cultural and technological diffusion was still gradual, even long after. For example, Ecuador’s Valdivia culture produced pottery by 3200 BC, yet the Peruvian coast didn’t adopt it until nearly a millennium later.

Then South American coastal merchant cultures arose much later still, when people on the Ecuadorian coast began developing sailing vessels and commerce (around the Old World’s Late Middle Ages), though they mostly navigated locally, they may have introduced metallurgy to Mexico, but such long-distance far away travels don't seem to have been continuous, but rather quite occasional.

Yes, a later link existed, between the cultures of coastal Ecuador and of Mexico’s Pacific coast.

Early peoples spread relatively quickly along the western coast of the Americas like in 15000 BC via coastal travel, but cultural and technological diffusion was still gradual, even long after. For example, Ecuador’s Valdivia culture produced pottery by 3200 BC, yet the Peruvian coast didn’t adopt it until nearly a millennium later.

Then South American coastal merchant cultures arose much later still, when people on the Ecuadorian coast began developing sailing vessels and commerce (around the Old World’s Late Middle Ages), though they mostly navigated locally, they may have introduced proper metallurgy to Mexico, but such long-distance far away travels don't seem to have been continuous, but rather quite occasional.

>>211636522
Yes, there was some link between the cultures of coastal Ecuador and of Mexico’s Pacific coast.

Early peoples spread relatively quickly along the western coast of the Americas like in 15000 BC via coastal travel, but cultural and technological diffusion was still gradual, even long after. For example, Ecuador’s Valdivia culture produced pottery by 3200 BC, yet the Peruvian coast didn’t adopt it until nearly a millennium later.

Then South American coastal merchant cultures arose much later still when the people of the Ecuadorian coast began developing sailing vessels and commerce. The Chincha, the Huancavilca and others are the ones closest in time (around the Old World’s Late Middle Ages) that something was written about, but they may have older obscure precursors. Pic related is a paper that brings up these possible connections, though it’s quite old and I don’t know how well its examples hold up, some still do like the metallurgical introduction from Ecuador to Mexico (although I recall it may also have made the jump from as close as Costa Rica)