Thread 211678943

Hi anons I write to you because Im wondering which of these two options should I pick. Im spanish and I know they are not really useful, but I love to learn languages, Ive been studying latin for two ywars by myself, in september I will continue learning german. But I dont know why this kind of languages attract me a lot. I would like to learn greek (ancient or modern) too. I would learn vasque too I dont know. I enjoy to discover how these minor languages work, its amazing for me.

My girlfriend is half irish, but neither she or her father speak irish (gaeilge), only her granparents know a little bit of it. So for her I think irish could be good to learn. But welsh is a brithonic language, spoken by those who lived under Rome, and has some latin influence and it is related to King Arthut. So I'm a little more attracted to it.

What should I do anons?

Welsh because there is a lot more media and resources available to learn the language and more people that speak it.
also a bit easier than Irish

>>211679218
this
welsh is a real language and gets a lot of support from the governments of britain and wales whereas only larpers speak irish

Yeah but in a certain way irah being in danger makes it more important to learn it isnt it?

>>211679648
Irish*

>>211679314 Out of curiosity, why do you say irish speakers are larpers?

But it is true that it must be admitted that welsh speakers have defended welsh more fiercely than irish, although it is also true that England mistreated Ireland much more

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkBQAvAFjus

I started getting interested in welsh after I discovered this song

>>211678943 (OP)
Welsh and it isn't even close, northern Welsh people actually speak Welsh and not as a cringe political display of national identity but just because they just speak it.

>>211679851

Im not gonna lie anon, I despise England, so I dont care that much about if irish speakers just do it to piss you off. I do not want to offend you or anything but thats how I feel.

>>211678943 (OP)
Welsh, because it's an actual language that people use and speak on a daily basis, and not moribund like every other Celtic language. It also has more fluent speakers than all of the other languages combined.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkBQAvAFjus

>>211679946
Yeah but if you learn a language surely you actually want the ability to communicate with people in it?

>>211679949
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkBQAvAFjus
Same song I posted here >>211679807 kek

Well Breton is still hanging there. Its a real shame most of them are dying. If you loose it, you would be loosing a key piece of Britanias identity. It would be the same if vasque or galician dissapeared

>>211679946
if you want to piss off english people then speak welsh
anglos have a fit when they hear people speaking welsh, they're genuinely convinced it is some massive anti english conspiracy

>>211679992
Yeah thats true, even with latin Im in a group of people that speak it. Instead I could only use Irish with my girlfriends grandparents so yeah, it is not the best idea. But I have no connection with Wales otherwise so thats why I doubt about it.

Anyway, I would enjoy learning either one just for the pleasure to learn

>>211680125
your girlfriends grandparents probably don't actually speak it
I take no pleasure in saying this but it is probably a LARP, essentially no one speaks it

>>211678943 (OP)
could always learn both

>>211680191
this is the chad solution

>>211680059
>anglos have a fit when they hear people speaking welsh, they're genuinely convinced it is some massive anti english conspirac

Now anon, you truly pressed the right bottom jajaj.

Genuine question, is that really true? I mean, there just half a million of welsh speakers, in comparison to England thats nothing.

Also, I dont know if english people really learn another language, each time I have met an english they only speak english of course. I know you dont need that much to learn other languages because yours it the lingua franca, but wouldnt english people be interested in for example learning welsh? I mean it could be a cool way to return in a certain way to the original roots of Britania

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_uHQglOB_Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S4DDb9goJg&list=RD-S4DDb9goJg&start_radio=1

>>211680191
Not gonna lie, I wouldnt mind it, its just that I have not enough time to do everything jaja

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUz4iYwCqxI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxR2RKM3Vy4

Both of them sound magical too me, in fact every language is special, but being european Im more interested in european languages, both ancient and modern ones.

By the way anon, I think Ireland should pick another flag, I prefer the old one, it has way more personality than just 3 colors

>>211679946
Are you just another one of those johnny foreigners who soyjaks over the Celtic countries or do actually have a reason to be anti English?

>>211680238
>Genuine question, is that really true? I mean, there just half a million of welsh speakers, in comparison to England thats nothing.
Imagine being an English person in Wales (and there are many of them), and Welsh nationalists start talking about how they need to increase the number of Welsh speakers in the country, and then start jibber-jabbering away in their incomprehensible druid speak while casting unfriendly glances at you.

>>211680238
there are a huge amount of anglos that live in wales, I think around 20% of the population of Wales are english people living here, they are not happy when they encounter the language.
you'll genuinely here a lot of anglos hate the welsh language and insist it is stupid and should be forgotten, you won't encounter any english interested in the language, many are very hostile to it.

>>211680363
Nah, I hate England because of your history as nation, not because of the average Joe. I just love to learn languages, and the celtic languages are very interesting in my opinion, specially due to their resilience through the centuries which give them the underdog attractiveness i guess.

>>211678943 (OP)
bor da!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emPhXdwhQoE

>>211680238
imagine being english and frequently seeing this shit around
it hardly inspires love or interest in the culture or langauge

>>211680380
>their incomprehensible druid speak while casting unfriendly glances at you.

Jjajajaja ok that made me kek. Its a little bit similar here in Spain depending on the region, for example In Asturias or Galicia they have their own languages but spanish people do not mind them, because they are friendly towards us, then you have the catalonians, which could be more hostile. In these cases thanks to being romance languages we understand them almost completely without knowing the language so they can not plot against us in front of us jajaja. Then you have the vasques, who could be discussing how to put a bomb under your car in front of you and you would not know it. Nevertheless I believe every language should be protected

What I dont understand is what do these english people expect living in Wales, of course they will speak welsh, and they will try to protect it and expand it in their own country.

>>211680383
The samen thing I wrote up there Is what I think about your post, if they hate welsh so much just leave the country, learn it or cope with it

>>211680512
Fuck anon I almost chocked XD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tj3D1wQb0cA

>>211678943 (OP)
American, any Indian language, or Arabic because it allows you to whore your wife out to Africans

>>211680568
>if they hate welsh so much just leave the country, learn it or cope with it
anglos are an arrogant and entitled people, they would rather it was eradicated for their convenience

>>211680543
I mean, Its not like England treeated really well the neighboring countries, so it is not a surprise. Nevertheless I can realte, in Catalonia or the Vasque country I would feel the same, even though I support them to keep their languages.

>>211680655
>anglos are an arrogant and entitled people, they would rather it was eradicated for their convenience
source: my ass

>>211680568
Most ethnic Welsh people can't speak fluent Welsh, and the ones who do are more likely to exhibit anglophobia. And it's not like these English people moved in last Sunday, most of them have been there for generations, sometimes centuries. I mean, if the Welsh nationalists get their way, one day every single English person living in Wales will have to learn Welsh to engage in public life. I can only imagine how aroused that would make them.

>>211680819
>every single English person living in Wales will have to learn Welsh to engage in public life.
>I can only imagine how aroused that would make them.
corrrrrr
preferably all angos would be removed

>>211680860
you are anglo taff, remember that

>>211681036
and here it comes right on schedule
>I hate taffy bastards!
>welsh people don't really exist!
when will Nigel make up his mind?

>>211681163
>>I hate taffy bastards!
>>welsh people don't really exist!
literally never said, nor do I think it that but acting like there's a massive difference, or even any, between welsh and english people is laughable. We are literally the same but welshoids have nicer accents.

>>211681208
cope, Nigel
your genocide has failed

If we are still able to translate an extinct language, is it really "extinct"?

>>211681262
Not a genocide, we are one :)

>>211680238
I don't really have any stakes in this fight but yes it's true. The English have this funny habit of expecting to be treated with courtesy and dignity even though they treat just about everyone else with veiled contempt which very quickly turns into open contempt as you can see in this very thread. Sometimes on the internet you stumble on people complaining about how "rude" the Welsh are. I wonder why!

>>211681403
WRONG!

>>211681441
No u :)

welsh girls are cute

>>211681266
Welsh never went exinct, Irish did.

Also I'd like to draw eveyone's attention to the Welsh Spongebob dub

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_sTCoUQ534

>>211681623
HOLY BASED

>>211681262
>nooo stop genociding us!! (even though that was the french-led aristocracy and henry tudor was welsh himself)
>*joins his local sons of glyndwr chapter and firebombs another innocent english home*

>>211678943 (OP)
welsh

>>211681437

By any chance are you scotish? How is the situation of gaelic up there?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh1D1l-WqYk

>>they treat just about everyone else with veiled contempt which very quickly turns into open contempt as you can see

Yeah I did not need this thread to know this.

>>211684352
Well it seems like welsh will win. Sometimes I think it would be nice to have polls here

>>211680380
>Imagine being an English person in Wales (and there are many of them)
they need to go back

>>211678943 (OP)
People actually speak Welsh and Irish is pretty much dead

Why are so many self-hating brits here?

>>211679218
What makes Welsh easier to learn than Irish? I was thinking about learning it myself someday

>>211692616
I guess he refers to the fact that you can use welsh more easily than irish with other people

>>211692616
Around you is there any person who speaks gaeilge? If just learn by yourself it can be quite frustrating because youn wont be able to practice it. I certainly encourage you to do it, by I recommend you to find a circle of people that speak it

>>211679946
I had the same thought process a while ago too
Then, I had the displeasure of actually interacting with some Irish people, which made me decide that the Anglos are justified in the Irish question and I would side with them

>>211693322
Plenty do, I live in Donegal. People here tend to also throw in random words as Gaeilge when speaking English here

>>211693525
What do you mean anon? What do they do?

>>211693667
Thats nice, at least is a slow recovery I guess

>>211694922
was at a pub here and all they did was complaining that things were not like in ireland
>where is the mood
>in IRELAND, we would be hollering and yollering right now
>we would have been through three brawls minimum by now
>wypipo dont know how to spice their atmosphere
that night, i found out that europe ends at the irish sea and ireland is a first outpost of the brown world

>>211695364
I guess it depends on who you meet. I have met some irish people (my gf is half irish) and they were not like that. I also met once a group of irish here and they were really friendly, I started speaking with them a little while they were singing songs.

But yeah, If I had encounter such kind of humanoids I would have felt the same