or was it inherently an abomination from the start? people can't seem to agree on when things went so horribly wrong, it makes me wonder if they were ever "right" in the first place

>>211744322 (OP)
Its always been the best

>>211744322 (OP)
Euros mocked your obsession with money already in the XIX century

>>211744322 (OP)
>when things went to horribly wrong
Jefferson’s French faggotry
the Federalists should have won

america is still good, you're just having one of those moments right now

>>211744369
why are canadians so cucked beyond belief

>>211744322 (OP)
Texas Annexation was the point of no return. Remember the Alamo, indeed...

>>211744474
as if I give a shit about canada, I'm moving to the US in a couple of months

>>211744474
Hows he cucked
Canada and the US are the same people same culture
They should be one country if anything

>>211744322 (OP)
lots of new land, lots of new money, lots of new people = boom times for a long time. but there's less land, less money, less new good people.

>>211744351
They did, the US of today is more or less what Hamilton envisioned.

People only complain because they couldn't pull the ladder up like the boomers did. They never complain about how expensive it is just to live and how mentally ill people have become.
Things went bad when browns poured in and voted against their interests just to appease whitey.

>>211744322 (OP)
Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel.

In Israel, death has no dominion over them... With gentiles, it will be like any person – they need to die, but [God] will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they'd lose their money. This is his servant... That’s why he gets a long life, to work well for this Jew.

Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat.

That is why gentiles were created

We're running out of the massive high from the 20th century, capitalism can no longer sustain this insane middle class consumer lifestyle, the mass proliferation of the internet has exposed people to all sorts of insane perspectives and misinformation they can't properly grapple with, and we're once again entering a world where multiple powers call the shots. We're not collapsing but we need to drop the hubris and admit we have serious problems that need addressing

>>211744672
>thinking the Founding Fathers would have let propertyless rabble, women, and melanated individuals vote

>>211744322 (OP)
American optimism was between 1991 to 2001. 1991 coincided with the fall of the Berlin wall and the ideological triumph of America over the Soviet Union and the Japanese real-estate crisis that ended their miraculous growth and economic rivalry with America. 2001 was obviously 9/11. In that 10 year period America transcended superpower and became a hyperpower, ever upward, ever excellent, ever optimistic. If you grew up in the early 2000s you'll feel echos of a promised tomorrow that never came. I think the real pessimism of the current era only sank in after Obama failed to be the bandaid to fix everything like some people thought he would be in 2007 and 2008. I still feel it though, that notion that if you're American, you're #1 even as a perpetual outsider immigrant. But it's a phantom feeling, not tactile like it used to be.
t. Indian Americanon

>>211744322 (OP)
We need to dial up voter suppression to suppress the populist vote
>>211744761
Capitalism can sustain our lifestyle. It has kept up with our desire for food, for restaurants, for delivery, for clothes.

Our main problems in USA come from health care and housing, neither of which are really free markets here. A free market in both would be an improvement. In housing, over-restriction on land use and construction has led to housing being expensive. In health care, there are a lot of reasons why it is too expensive, but the main one is administrative bloat, which results from the regulatory structure we created, and nobody will fix it since the fix means laying off a bunch of white collar jobs throughout the country.

>>211744891
Yep.

>>211745090
Health care and housing markets are absolutely not things that should be decided primarily by market forces, this stuff trends towards monopoly and cartel control no matter what. Anyways declare them a right enshrined by the constitution and implement a public option for healthcare and a distribution program for housing. A guaranteed 800-1000 sqft house or apartment
>nobody will fix it since the fix means laying off a bunch of white collar jobs throughout the country.
Again this is a problem of all our labor being sent overseas or replaced by immigrants for pennies on the dollar so the American workforce could have cushy do-nothing desk jobs and labor would be defanged. It's a feature of the system and now it's paralyzing us as a people

>>211745952
I do agree with red tape, but again that is a problem caused by a mix of a bureaucrat/consultant class that has gotten too fat and real estate firms trying to induce scarcity to make more money

It's the root of al evil. You all subhumans deserve the most painful death

America is good and always been good. Do NOT confuse America with MAGA which is anti-American. Also confederacy/slavery, neocon etc is anti-American. Real American want freedom for all.

>>211745807
delusional

>>211744322 (OP)
It was good because we stayed on the cutting edge of ideas, and thus the cutting edge of tech. Everybody wanted to be here who thought outside of the box because we were one of the few places that rewarded people for it. This dynamic changed in the late 1900s as Europe, and parts of East Asia adopted a similar open-minded outlook to thinking outside of the box, and changing ideas and tech with the times. Meanwhile we grew stagnant, protected ourselves more and more, and used treaties to try and cement our place instead of competing like we should have.
Now we are so far gone that any return to a natural state would see our economy and culture turn in on itself. An outcome that is inevitable, and likely far worse the longer we wait.

>>211744322 (OP)
>another useful idiot educated by the judeo-masonic government schools doesn't know any history
It's all so tiresome.

>>211744369
>decades of unjust, undeclared wars
Do you even know why the declaration of independence was written?

>>211744612
"Sweden and Russia are basically the same people same culture."

>>211746143
Your country is literally run by CIA drug runners and you don't do shit to stop them.

>>211746191
They would've come around to it after watching Malcolm X with Denzel Washington

>>211746180
>another useful idiot educated by the judeo-masonic government schools doesn't know any history
The war of northern aggression had nothing to do with slavery.

>>211746180
To ignore a side of America that you hate is willful ignorance anon. They are there, and you have to recognize them as part of this country, just as they have to recognize you as part of this country.
Burying our heads in the sand will solve nothing.

>>211746273
You have brain worms.

>>211746273
You too, stop trying to discredit criticism and telling yourself happy little tales to make yourself feel good.

It was good when it was racist, xenophobic, sexist and antisemitic. All of it went downhill after Walt Disney, John Kennedy and Henry Ford died
Great chuds that were the soul of the greatest country mankind has ever seen. Now it's a revolting ZOG mutt shithole that gives me puke reflexes

>>211746301
>>211746306
Post more copium, maybe it'll make you appear smart and you can save face.

>>211746261
Malcolm X was a cringe "Muslim" unironically believing in all that Yakub shit we meme about here.

>>211746143
Shut the fuck up you panzy sucker faggot
I will always blame your desperate rootless people for voluntarily shitting up your own countries by falling for the opium trade bait
Disappear

>>211746321
Retards who live in their own world like you and the man you're arguing with are the reason we're at each other's throats instead of trying to understand problems and solve them. You're too easily distracted, and the people who want you stay distracted know it.

>>211744322 (OP)
When in doubt, blame the browns

>>211745952
Housing absolutely does not trend towards monopoly or cartel control.
>A guaranteed 800-1000 sqft house or apartment
Who is going to build it and where? Public housing costs more to build than market rate housing, in Chicago it cost them over $1M per unit (and the mayor bragged about it on twitter).

Just reform zoning and allow the market to fix the issue. We don't have a shortage market rate developers.

For a health care public option, it would require buying out the insurance companies and it still wouldn't fix the issue that our hospitals cost too much to operate. The hospital admin bloat goes beyond insurance.

>>211746365
Don't forget about the owners of that bio weapon

>>211744322 (OP)
>was america ever good?
Yeah, back when fags were put to death.
https://odysee.com/The-Sodomite-Deception:3

Back when our laws were based on the laws of the LORD.

>>211746358
Shut the fuck up, you pretentious retard. You don't even know how the banking system works in America and you don't even know banking history. All you idiots are taught by the judeo-masonic government schools and media is propaganda and you post nothing of any real substance.

>>211746439
And you post nothing but your own schizoid bullshit. Go outside and get off the internet if you can't use it without catching a brain virus.

>>211746495
Prove him wrong you brown freak

>>211746374
>Who is going to build it and where
Direct major builders like Dr Horton and Pulte to build in parts of major metro areas zoned for this new construction. If they dont build in a satisfactory time period threaten to take over the project or give it to another builder
>Chicago it cost them over $1m per unit
Crush the consultant class

>>211746514
It's not a topic that can be argued. Nor is it healthy to argue with idiots who claim to have some knowledge that others don't. They only want to feel smarter than others by adopting fringe thinking. Fringe thinking I remind you that he has provided no proof of, nor made any claims towards.
I'm merely stating the fact that being divided over silly shit doesn't get us anywhere, and the fact that our country is that way right now distracts us from actually solving issues or improving.

>>211746709
Lol keep evading the question like the little bitch you are. The ZOG machine that was installed in the US is the cause of the problem and you're probably of one the products of that cancer. As I like to call, a bioweapon. faggot.

>>211746754
Focusing on hatred towards a specific group instead of attacking problems has only ever motivated retards such as yourselves to lash out in violence that the rest of humanity ends up finding disgusting.
If the problem is the Jews, then lets solve the problems of the elites screwing over the regular citizen. That would stick it to the jews too wouldn't it? Or are you only in favor of sticking it to them when they aren't wealthy or something?

>>211746754
What do you want me to do, nationalize the Central Bank, kill Jay, seize the assets of every investor who has American capital, and do a debt jubilee?

>>211746329
He came around

>>211746791
Stop voting or collaborating with anyone that is pro the ZOG cancer. Spread the word and actively work against their interests in any way you can, like not spending a single dime in their business or giving them opportunities/help.
Total opposition
>>211746789
Faggot answer, of course, you're a retarded faggot that deserves to get shot

>>211746754
Oh or what about the problems not caused by Jews? Are those problems just fully natural and okay to ignore? It's okay I'm being fucked over because it's by a WASP or something?

>>211744672
Hamilton was anti immigrant even when they were just white peoples. If any of the founding fathers today saw the US they would think they are in hell because of what it became. From the first immigration laws until the immigration act of 1965 there was an emphasis on keeping America a white nation, as it was founded to be.

With the Mexican American war people didn’t want to take more land because it meant citizenship would be extended to millions of brown Mexicans. Abraham Lincoln and more wanted to ship freed africans back to Africa or to the Caribbean. Teddy Roosevelt called nonwhites savages and said if you can’t speak English with 5 yrs you aren’t American and should be kicked out. FDR deported millions of Mexicans. Joe Biden didn’t want his kids to grow up in a racial jungle.

Almost every great American in history wanted it to remain the white nation it was founded as. It is not until jews and corporations sell the idea of the 1965 immigration act, saying it won’t change the demographics of the country and everything will be great. All it did was allow 3rd world scum flood the country, destroying once great states like California and Texas. Destroying wages, causing housing prices to skyrocket, destroying environments.

>>211746873
Now who's dodging the fucking question lol.
Acting like your smarter when you can't even continue a conversation.

>>211746873
>Just like... vote with your wallet!
Childish.

>>211746889
You would be bitching about Italians and Irish people in the 1880s.

>>211747003
Also over 90% of the country speaks English, what are you talking about.

>>211746873
And I'm guessing he's done.
You find the world complicated and want easy answers to the big scary complex world. Yet you want to feel smart at the same time. Ironic.

>>211745090
Administration alone is not the problem with healthcare. We need more doctors and we need them to be paid less.

>>211747122
Faggots
>>211746902
>Noooooo I can't do anything, I can only sit and cry like the little pathetic bitch I am
Kek imagine if people simply assumed absolutism could never be taken down because the king would simply behead/burn them. You're a good goy, keep up with the great kosher work

>>211747003
Ireland and Italy are both white European nations, and the differences between 3rd world shitholes like India, Mexico, Guatemala, etc and the US today are much greater than between US and Ireland, Italy in the 1880s. You ain’t white Pablo.
>>211747043
Should be 100%

>>211747528
One of the primary examples of this third world immigration destroying the country is the state of California.

When you adjust for cost of living and inflation, a median household income in 1965 would be twice as much as current day. When you further take into account the fact that in the 60s a median household had about 1 worker vs about 2 in 2025, you get an earner that made 3x more than the current day.

Flooding the country with immigrants from third world countries on the bottom rungs and h1b fraudsters in the middle to upper class has only depressed wages and increased housing prices for rich people to get richer while fucking over everyday Americans

>>211747528
They were Papists, poor, barely spoke English and therefore "incompatible" with American culture. Very convenient they're white enough to fit in now

>>211747356
lol anon you aren't even talking about what I posted anymore. You're screaming nonsense. You're assuming I'm saying what you want to assume I'm saying.
Go outside kek.

>>211746495
>>211746709
>y-you're wrong
>but I can't prove it and won't even try
Why don't you go back to "bluesky", faggot?

>>211747727
Housing increased because the economy was raped to death in 2008 and we've been forced to watch everything get bought up and consolidate around vultures who scooped everything up. Poor immigrants can't even afford houses, the average Hispanic salary is lower than the median white American one

>>211744322 (OP)
I don't know, but >>211744343 is somewhat right. Tocqueville writes about it in his democracy in America.

>>211747743
I get why you're doing this however, try to get more and more people in your tribe so you can wage a race war instead of a class war. Dishonest fascist slime

>>211747847
But the actual problem has to do with every single developed country. Maybe the way we deal with technique and money is completely wrong.

>>211747743
Irish spoke English, they were ruled by them at that point in time. Italians back then had a similar rate of learning English as the Hispanics today, which is sad given the vast improvement in technology and language learning since then, giving a large advantage to Hispanics to learn it today.

Again, because I know your kind doesn’t comprehend well, they were white Europeans and not nearly as poor as the third world retards are today. A founding father would value Italian and Irish people vastly over squatemalans, mexcrement, and pajeets

>>211746889
I honestly wonder where you live. I mean, have you been to California? There's lots of non-white people who are totally American, and act like American. They are not Mexican or Chinese anymore. They are American. Not the first generation immigrant, of course, but pretty much the second generation. I personally don't see anything wrong with them.

>>211744972
>If you grew up in the early 2000s you'll feel echos of a promised tomorrow that never came.
This
t. another immigrant

That second term of Obama and first term of Trump in my adolescent years had a truly mindnumbing growth of technology. The world of my childhood was very, very different to the one I live in now but even back then it was trying to copy the 90s boomtimes right before the bubble popped. The world never recovered politically from 9/11 and economically from 2008

>>211748139
>and not nearly as poor as the third world retards are today.
lmfao

>>211747302
Doctors are ALREADY paid less. Insurance reimbursements are down by like 30% since the 2000s and continue to drop across the board for specialties. With all the training we go through being paid less than minimum wage and paying hundreds of thousands for school and highly competitive applications at least THREE TIMES (college, med school, residency, potentially fellowship on top), you would think we would at least keep salary parity. It is literally more worth it financially to be an NP or PA nowadays than to sign up for medicine. Physicians are literally just in it for the love of the game and to treat patients - there's very little money in medicine anymore. Worst part is, even if every physician was paid $0 iirc the price of healthcare would drop <5%.

>>211748699
California and Texas are exactly like this. I don't know if that anon is typing his shit from rural Montana or something but this country has a way of muttifying everybody within 1 or 2 generations

>>211744322 (OP)
No country is "good" or "bad", it's all just fucking Made Up man, literally every single nation state is a glorified Tax Revenue Administration and Distribution office. Your local community is what really matters for 99% of quality of life.

>>211744322 (OP)

>>211746234
>"Sweden and Russia are basically the same people same culture."
More accurate comparison would be Norway and Sweden desu

>>211748699
I have unfortunately. It was a disgusting shithole and reinforced my views of the place. If you think there is nothing wrong with you must have your eyes closed and be fined raping American workers, environment, and culture until they are no real Americans left. You probably arent American so of course it doesn’t matter to you.

There is plenty wrong with changing the demographics of a state from being 90% white in the 50s and 60s to being filled with people who shouldn’t even be citizens, let alone there in the first place. The vast majority of hispanics in the country come after 1965 and are illegal, or here on fraudulent means such as birthright citizenship, mass amnesty, or chain migration.

Hoover and FDR already set a precedent of deporting millions of Mexicans, even those with birthright citizenship. The only hope for saving the country is doing that again with all the people that shouldn’t be here. An America with 100 million less people would be beautiful.
>>211748791
Compare the disparity between 2025 USA, India, Mexico, Guatemala, etc with the disparity between 1880 USA, Ireland, and Italy. It is a night and day difference.

>>211749050
>t. Paddy Salvatore Theophyllopastry Linguini O'Hennessy

>>211749105
My surname was here before the US was founded and built churches, bridges, and towns around the US since the 18th century. I have ancestors that were in the revolutionary war, war of 1812, Commodore Perry’s expedition to Japan, civil war, Spanish American war, etc. I have no Italian blood and the Irish blood was here before the civil war working as a doctor, and after WW1. Everyone else was of English, Scottish, and German descent. You are the descendant of some short brown retard that crossed the border illegally within the pass 70 years. You will never be American.

Was good until 2010

>>211749245
Looks like I struck a nerve, Paddy

>>211744322 (OP)
it was good when it was just the east coast and we didn't have to think about happenings in the untamed lands scorched as a reminder of the devastating warfare that took place there tens of thousands of years ago.

>>211749282
Just putting you in your place by saying it how it is. If all the 3rd worlders here were Irish, Italian, or any other white European we wouldn’t have 90% of the problems we have today. There is a reason those European countries are 1st world and nonwhite countries are 3rd world savage backwaters like back when Teddy Roosevelt called them out.

The founding fathers and almost all other great Americans in history knew that.

>>211749434
Irish and Italians aren't white

>>211749505
Average Mexcrement is not human

>>211749545
The Fenian cries out as he strikes you

>>211749050
I don’t know how you have the energy to even argue with these types of people. I’ve given up after I realized there is no reckoning between our desires. One side will have to force their vision over the other through domination.

Conservative retreat can only go on for so long until we have no where left to run.

>The Fenian cries out as he strikes you

>>211749698
I doubt he will change his mind. He would have to accept the truth on the history of this country and of himself. It’s not much for me and it’s more for the others that come upon the post and will learn what was never taught in schools: the US was founded and built as a white nation until jews passed the 1965 immigration act. They even sold it as something that wouldn’t majorly affect demographics. if any of the people that let that law through could see what it has done they never would’ve passed it

>>211749746
>Come out you black and tans, come out and fight me like a man
>Show your wife you won medals down in Flanders

>>211749050
Thank you for the detailed perspective, anon.

My understanding it that the ancestor of every American was an immigrant at some point. Many of them were not British. But still, they adapted. Now, when we have all this globalization, Internet and Hollywood, it's a lot easier to become an American compared to the past. Still challenging for the first generation because of the language skills, but not really challenging for the secondary generation.

> You probably arent American
That's true. I am fresh off the boat white Eastern European immigrant (legal, work visa, software developer).

> There is plenty wrong with changing the demographics of a state from being 90% white in the 50s and 60s to being filled with hispanics, etc.
That's true it has changed. But having lived in California, I don't really see the difference between white Americans, and non-white Americans except for the skin tone which you can't control.

> Compare the disparity between 2025 USA, India, Mexico, Guatemala
Being an immigrant myself I'm sort of familiar with the immigration to the USA in general. The truth is that legal immigration system in the US is extremely complicated. So rich western Europeans do not migrate because they are already doing well, and there's little incentive to go through the immigration hurdles. The ones who migrate are either poor, or have instability in their country (like me). That the natural rule of thumb why people migrate in the first place.

I realize I'm just a guest here so far so I'm just humbly sharing my perspective. It's been great to learn your point of view. I wish we could have a couple of beers together.