Honest question for Vietnamese anons.

Have you ever wondered what life would be like if South Vietnam/America won the Vietnam war?
Like do you ever look at Japan and South Korea and wonder, "We could have been that."?

>>211782067 (OP)
they would not have escaped to israel

>>211782144
GYAAAT
Vietnamese women look like THAT?!

>>211782067 (OP)
You're outdated, Yank. Their economy has grown by leaps and bounds since 2000. Vietnam is also one of the few SEA nations today that think favourably of Yankees.

>>211782067 (OP)
it would be another giga corrupt US leaning dictator shithole like Philippines under Marcos and Indonesia under Soeharto

>>211782067 (OP)
>Like do you ever look at Japan and South Korea and wonder, "We could have been that."?
Won't end up like that

>>211784114
How come Japan and South Korea are okish?

>>211784362
Pure mongoloids = higher intelligence. While viets are more mixed with malay thus less intelligent/developed

>>211784362
South Korea under PCH was actually the only country that resemblance SEA dictatorship
But unlike Marcos and Soeharto he's actually kinda smart to know about export oriented industrialization under chaebol to solve his country

>>211784021
You love me

>>211784415
Mongolia is shit thoughever?

>>211782067 (OP)
retard, if vietnam won it'll looks like philippines

>>211784533
Your not the man I fell in love with. I'm calling this marriage off.

>>211784584
>>211784114
Oh no, here comes the commie cope.

>>211784608
Under communism we share BBCS

>>211782067 (OP)
Many Vietnamese do believe this. The ones who fled to the west after the fall of Sagon almost all believe this. However in Vietnam you aren't allowed to state this or they will jail or kill you

>>211784608
it's not a cope, Ho Chi Minh was definitely better than Ngo Dinh Diem

>>211784608
it's not about commie ho chi minh is not even a communist, he's nationalist first commie second
the south king was hilariously corrupt and incompetent

>>211784630
>>211784618
Thailand earns around 3 times more per capita than Vietnam. Vietnam picked the wrong ideology

>>211784584
I don't think so

>>211782067 (OP)
>Have you ever wondered what life would be like if South Vietnam/America won the Vietnam war?
South Vietnam was hilariously corrupt. The US government literally staged a coup on them despite the country being ruled by a puppet government that the US itself installed. Also reminder that Korea was a third world country up until the 90s when the US started investing in them to spite the Japanese.

>>211784751
>>211784686
all china hating made you blind.

>>211784825
I don't hate China and my gf is from Shanghai.

>>211784114
Suharto used to brag about himself as one of the three Asian greats (the others, Lee Kuan Yew and Park Chung Hee) who led his country to success through a development dictatorship.

>>211784825
asian countries with the most chinese are the most rich though look at hong kong and singapore

>Have you ever wondered what life would be like if South Vietnam/America won the Vietnam war?
we could have been French South Korea but then CIA killed the President. I'm very happy my father chose to be baptized so I could be raised here in a safe place, LA, and not a warzone.

>>211784686
It's all the lady boys

>>211782067 (OP)
i think current vietnam is just that

>>211782067 (OP)
no we would look at philippines nowadays and realize it's better to be led by a communist dictatorship

also shut the fuck up bong

>>211787250
You know, I wonder if the Philippines turned out to be an SK-tier country, would this POV change?
I feel like we ASEAN guys always use the Philippines as an example of how things can go very wrong for a country even when you go all Western.

>>211787303
afaik the main problem with the philippines is its political clans, but im no expert in filipinx/SEA politics

Democracy or modern politics dont work if you have some form of clan structure, the middle east is also a shithole because of it

>>211787250
so basically you admit you're just a thirdie dog incapable of independent thought who needs dictator to tell him to stop shitting in the same river you get your water from

>>211782067 (OP)
I'm sure you probably mean the ones that live in Vietnam, but as a diaspora, sometimes I think of how different life would have been. But given how my life is right now, I'm rather grateful that I didn't grow up with the formality/hierarchy of eastern culture. Modern Japan, South Korea, and to a certain extent, China, seems rather grim for living. Granted, SEA countries are usually more relaxed, but even the Asian culture I grew up with my parents here in the USA feels so stifling.

>>211787330
Uhh being a viet kieu let you flex so hard on native viets though.

>>211787368
I speak Vietnamese just fluently enough that people in Vietnam thought I was weird rather than an American with only a casual knowledge of Viet. Maybe I'll return in the future, but the last time I went around 2018, it's just too chaotic for me. I don't get how yts do it.

>>211787510
It cause they can’t scam you. Plus you can hit on all the viet girls that yts can’t access. Best of both worlds.

>>211787303
Of course, because I think that a country's development is more detrimentally affected by its leadership, the characteristics of its citizens, and the right timing than by choosing the "right alliance."
Korea and China wouldn't have become industrial powerhouses if not for their hardworking people and great leadership that took advantage of globalization to establish their industrial and technological bases and profit from them.
But in recent years, the trend of globalization has been dwindling; coupled with the fact that non-East Asians aren't as productive, which is why I think the chance of seeing another miracle in Asia is very slim and the thought of us becoming another South Korea feels like a fantasy.
>>211787328
>so basically you admit [head canon]
I think that's true for a lot of people living here. You can't train subhuman mongrels with words.

>muh South Korea
>muh Japan
These two countries were already heavily industrialized, the former buckbroken and civilized by Japan before getting bombed to oblivion by war.

You need IQ for industrialization, it's how the Germs and Nips rebuilt even if they were Satan's followers and the Axis of Greatest Evil in WW2.

An overseas yacht and beach club for white colonists isn't going to do shit post-colonization.

>>211787510
>I went around 2018, it's just too chaotic for me.
That was the most sovlful period of the country before slowly transitioning into a soulless police state where everyone and their moms get taxed and fined on the daily basis.

The goal of the Japanese empire was to liberate all Asian nations from European imperialism and its predatory capitalism and communism, both children of the same demon: materialism, in order to establish systems based on legitimate monarchies and tradition. Unfortunately, the United States spoiled the party for us.

>>211784790
>South Vietnam was hilariously corrupt.

That's not why you topped the top.


>Korea was a third world country up until the 90s

Ah yes, Hyundai and Taek Kwon Do, marks of a shithole

>>211787716
Can't bribe officials anymore? Even when I was flying out of Vietnam, Vietnamese airline staff tried to get me to pay a bribe to carry on luggage.

>>211787780
I'm not a fan of South Korea, but it's clear they've done things pretty right so far, despite all their flaws. At least from the perspective of capitalist development.

>>211784790
You're right that the South Vietnamese government was corrupt and a puppet of the United States. However, it was the coup that marked the beginning of both the deployment of U.S. troops and the escalation of direct U.S. involvement in Vietnam. The first presidency was essentially authoritarian and oppressive, but I'd argue that it did a decent job compared to later administrations.

>>211787875
Nigger they have a worse birth rate than you. Recoverable so long as they don’t fall for the immigration meme.

>>211782067 (OP)
Cringeworthy OP.
Same energy as Europeans who try to shame 3rd worlders for becoming independent.

>>211788436
Not even a problem. If Korea can maintain its population at 40 or 50 million and Japan at 80 or 90 million, everything is perfectly fine.

Remember that we are two nations with hyperpopulation.

>>211782067 (OP)
>Japan and South Korea
It's geographic determinism. Look at the wealthy countries today, they're all located along the same latitude, just like where ancient civilizations such as Mesopotamia and the Indus Valley were born. It's all along those lines.

>>211787764
Establish systems based on legitimate monarchies and tradition by doing what?Cutting people’s heads off with a samurai sword?

>>211789773
Absolutely not, but blindly obeying the protestant pastor of your local church, drinking cola, eating hamburgers and swear allegiance to a Masonic constitution won't either.

>>211791222
Lol, let’s be real here. You just wanted to rape Chinese and Koreans.

>Like do you ever look at Japan and South Korea and wonder, "We could have been that."?

This is a joke, right? Those countries were already industrialized before American occupation. A Western-aligned Vietnam would look like the Philippines.

>>211792071
So you need totalitarianism to industrialize fast?

>>211792174
No, you need being shielded from American coup attempts which often requires authoritarian government.

>>211784415
>>211784362

The successful Asian Tigers mainly South Korea, Japan and Taiwan were subsidized by hundreds of billions of Free American Aid and Investments.

Whereas the Philippines barely received 5 Billion US dollars in total since independence from the USA.

>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippines%E2%80%93United_States_relations

>During the Cold War between the Capitalist United States and Communist Soviet Union, in Asia, despite being devastated by World War 2, defending US interests, and being a former colony, the Philippines, received negligible financial assistance from the United States with only $5 Billion US Dollars worth of aid in totality since Independence[17] compared to the copious amount of free development aid given to other Asian allies like: Israel ($317.9 Billion US Dollars in free aid),[18] South Korea ($119.9 Billion US dollars in free aid)[19][20] South Vietnam ($104 Billion Dollars in free aid),[18] Taiwan, ($41.81015 Billion US Dollars in free aid by year 1975[21] which convert to $242 Billion US Dollars in 2024 values as adjusted for inflation)[22] and Japan,[23][24] as the United States considered their economic development more important than that of the Philippines because they had hostile Pro-Soviet Union neighbors which the United States were opposed to.[25]

>>211782067 (OP)
what happened Annam bros ? we were so good together

>>211789120
>If Korea can maintain its population at 40 or 50 million and Japan at 80 or 90 million, everything is perfectly fine.
Neither country will maintain even close to those population numbers. You’re both screwed.

>>211792372
>Begging for gibs
You sound like an African.

>>211792260
So basically Trump

>>211792576
He’s obviously correct though. the political liberalization came AFTER the investment. That’s what everyone expected to happen with china too but they murdered their 80’s pro democracy movement

Why isn't North Korea mandating 5 children per woman and surging past the south right now?

>>211792576
I'm actually half Filipino half American, my dad is the Filipino one but he has some Spanish and Chinese ancestry THO while my mom is Irish and Italian, a pan Cathlolic marriage and I'm damn proud of my Filipino side not receiving any gibs from the USA compared to the hundreds of Billions given to Israel, Taiwan, and South Korea.

My Filipino side of the family does not need our gibs and the Philippines has been the fastest or second fastest growing economy in Southeast Asia, despite not given the piles of free money we threw at Taiwan, South Korea, and Israel.

>>211793030
They can’t afford to feed them

>>211793072

>>211785102
False correlation. The Philippines has more Chinese as a percentage than Indonesia yet why is Indonesia a larger economy?

>>211784630
> ho chi minh is not even a communist
Yes he absolutely was. “Ho was actually a nationalist” is a retarded meme

>>211787764
Based Japan

>>211782067 (OP)
Ok