>>211856944 (OP)
Look at that glorious moustache, that's all that matters.

Napoleon was Italian
French pepo are born to be governed by other Europeans, otherwise they have a panic attack and immediately surrender to the nearest man

>>211856944 (OP)
It might look confusing if you don't know anything about the late imperial period and early middle ages.

>>211857250
This is how America treats the people that loans it money in need btw.

>>211856944 (OP)
Calling Franks "German" is the stupidest thing ever. They were germanic, not German, that notion didn't even exist a the time. But hey, I replied, 6/10.

>>211857250
He was French and outside of 4chan, no one doubts it.

>>211856944 (OP)
I don't like how Franks are strictly categorized as "Germanic" because it's confusing and makes no sense with the history of the term

Franks might initially be the name a Germanic tribe (or more like a confederacy of tribes) but the term evolved. While Franks and Romans in the kingdom of the Franks were completely separate at first and race mixing was initially even forbidden, over time the culture and identities evolved and homogenized, the Franks were romanized (they already were a lot before since they were federates who lived within the empire) while the Romans would also be germanized to an extent (and bear Germanic names for example).
By the 7th century the term "Frank" would come to refer to everybody in the kingdom of the Franks, whether they spoke Roman or Frankish. The division that was left was between the aristocracy and the plebs, with the aristocracy speaking Frankish and plebs speaking Roman. The aristocracy did not think themselves to be a different ethnic group from the rest, but they did think of themselves as being "racially" different, back when "race" meant something very different from what it does today and referred to quality (nobility) and not genetics.

This happened everywhere by the way, in Spain, in Italy, etc. The Germanic elite integrated and the identities evolved, and what came of it was that these groups would evolve to be the elite of these new kingdom. In places like Aquitaine or Spain, the Goths would be completely romanized. In Aquitaine nothing was left of the Goths and everybody continued to refer to themselves as Romans for centuries. In Italy, Lombard just like in France also came to refer to the general population that once used to identify as "Roman".

This does not mean that the elite was of pure Germanic descent nor that the general populace did not have any Germanic blood. Charlemagne for example came from a male Roman patrician line. The elites mixed.

>>211857943
Which is why I don't think it makes sense to call the Franks "Germanic" because what "Franks" are you talking about?
Because to this day, we still are "Franks". French is the exact same word as Frank. People like to think there's a distinction between Frank and French but that is just academic convention. They talk about the Franks in the 900s and suddenly say French people in the 1000s, but there's no difference. If a difference has to be made, it was made very early on, in the beginning of the kingdom of the Franks, when the name Frank stop being an ethnic term.

What would make Charlemagne "Germanic" anyway? Just because he spoke Frankish didn't make him "Germanic", whatever that term means. Real life isn't an RPG where Roman and Germanic are two strict categories

Also, Germans were not all Franks. Germany was basically created from the Germans taking control after the Franks lost their grip on the east. Only parts of Germany identified as Frankish

I love France but you guys are drunk on country nationalism
who gives a shit if you come from a german tribe and if Napoleon is italian
what matters is that your country was AND still is great

>>211858170
>who gives a shit if you come from a german tribe and if Napoleon is italian
Not us, it never was a topic here.

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>>211856944 (OP)
Amazighs named after Iberian forebears
Arabs named after Italic forebears
Turks named after Hellenic forebears
Poles named after Germanic forebears
Franks named after Frankish forebears

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this wall of text of pure copium, lmao. there's no clear distinction between old dutch and franconian, and karel de grote came from today's belgian limburg. i guess it's hard to accept you are a conquered people (again), like how the bri'ish are deeply in denial they got 1066'd, but please don't make shit up
>"I don't like how Franks are strictly categorized as "Germanic" "
perhaps because they were. seriously, is this AI generated and then translated by an even worse AI?

>>211858724
Back when krautchan was still around there was this french arab that would make walls of cope claiming that the franks werent germanic and that even other germanic peoples werent germanic. Its most likely the same schizo. Tough the french arrogance seem to stuggle with their frankish roots, much like jeets struggle with their indo european roots