Thread 211874632

The computer you are using is using a chip that was made by a machine that is made by a Dutch company. Do you love the Dutch in your country?

what are they hiding? how is one company on earth able to make these alien tech level nanometer processes but no one else? what’s their deal?

>>211874632 (OP)
nonsense: that machine is huge and the chips are tiny, you must be lying

>>211874671
Mad how USSR and US made chips now both countries (and pieces of the former) are basically eating shit in that regard. Really shot themselves in the foot.

>>211874632 (OP)
designed and made in israel

>>211874768
US still designs the best chips on the planet.
>>211874806
Intel is dogshit

>>211874837
>designs the best chips on the planet
That doesn't matter if you can't manufacture them.

>>211874768
USSR had a policy of luddism and poverty, the system was designed to keep the people and state from becoming too prosperous/wealthy, keep food scarce, no tehcnology...
>>211874837
cope

>>211874671
by not being chinese or thirdie.
>i need a manchine that can punch out nanometer precision repeadetly
>good, you will buy it from my brother.
>b-but thats 5 nanometer presice at best?
>do you doubt the party? if we say its good enough its good enough, so thats 10 machines then?

>>211874632 (OP)
Got to thank the taiwanese for breathing in the fumes too.

I got a job offer for a laser engineering position from ASML. I had to move from the Midwest to Connecticut. I didn’t want to go work there and leave all my friends and family. If I ever get a wife maybe I’ll apply again

>>211874806
>>211874837
Israel had top level chip production before 90s or 80s. You can say whatever you want about them but Israeli technology was alway great.

>>211874929
Most people working there are mostly Chinese or Indian.
t. lives between ASML employees

>>211875115
we're #1 still
there's a good reason our stock market is in all-time-highs right now people know we're the best investment on the planet.

>>211874870
It does. If you cant design good chips then the machine cant produce it. This isn't like ordering a chair from Alibaba.

>>211874806
>>211874922
Intel is ass now. The only spaces it matters somewhat is in the mobile and the pre-built space.

>>211875176
Server CPUs can't compete with AMD
Consumer CPUs can't compete with AMD and are burning hot ticking time bombs
GPUs are laughable

>>211875244
Chips design is not very hard compared to manufacturing, it's mostly about software support. Apple were very quickly able to design great chips because they have full software support. The next big thing is AI, so many chips in the future will only need to be able to run AI models. That means that software support won't be very important for many future high value chips.

>>211875247
Not even sure why he's trying to make Intel look good co sideline g Tel Aviv has a ton of other better companies that have a notable branch in TA.

>>211875244
Intel is completely fucked on desktop and they johnny come lately'd their GPUs. Server CPUs are alright so they'll survive a while at least

>>211875244
>>211875247
it's always worked in cycles next gen theyll be good and shit again. you're talking like you were born yesterday
also intel gpus are very good for early gen products and 3 companies will do wonders for the market vs a duopoly

>>211875444
They are losing server CPU market share every single quarter too. Intel is just not a very good company.

>>211875444
Intel hasn't been able to execute operationally for at least a decade and a half.

>>211875392
>Chips design is not very hard compared to manufacturing
Considering Intel couldn't pull off node shrinks in time it is very hard.

>>211875465
>it's always worked in cycles next gen theyll be good and shit again
Thats just pattern braining too hard. Several big companies in the GPU space have died off or got absorbed by other companies. AMD was gonna a crater if Zen1 was a dud akin to Bulldozer. They made the 14 series as cope, in a space as competitive as this fucking up too much isn't a luxury they can take

>>211875513
Intel's issues mainly stems for manufacturing. Having an overly complex ISA (x86 compared to ARM) probably doesn't help either. Although TSMC has been able to design AMD's x86 chips so it's probably mostly about manufacturing.

>>211874632 (OP)
Damn it's better then the ct scanner without cover
If I were german I'd masturbate to that

>>211875118
still has nothing to do with what i posted.

>>211876001
It does

>>211876263
no. be chinese or indian engineer, make good products when you have the tools for it. be the same engineers, make crap products when you dont get the tools to do it properly. how is this relevant to the nationaluty of the workers? its such a common issue in mass producing cunts like china, its even a trick there to rig a fake factory just for the initial production deal to be signed just so they can show of how modern and well developed they are, but the actual product is mass produced in some shed with none of the quality control.

>>211875118
Insane that they let Chinese people work there. It's like they want to give China their secrets

>>211874632 (OP)
Imagine having to do the maintenance on this hellish looking thing.

>>211876809
and its a thing for car parts, lots of euro or us small parts is made in china under whatever brand and its usually ok since its done under oem specs and quality control. but when that quality inspector clocks out the whole factory goes into overdrive and they spit out the same parts in temu quality and a different brand.
the whole corporate idea of china has never been to make quality, just to spew out products and get paid. if they make a crap product, spew out more of it so it drowns in the market and none notice.

>>211876852
ASML wants to sell the machines to Mainland China. Only the US is stopping it.
Few years back they had a spy stealing secrets, Americans immediately pointed to China. Turns out it was a Korean.
ASML have stated to not have any problems with China, because they know they can't even copy the machines anyway.

>>211877203
Yeah if you wan good specs you pay for it, you want to be cheap or intentionally eant slip you can get it by shopping for a other Chinese vendor. That comes with the territory of being a large manufacturing state.

>>211877409
>they know they can't even copy the machines anyway.
Still extremely risky since you dont need a 1:1 copy to get the fully utility kff that piece of espionage.

>>211874632 (OP)
the machine uses optics made by a german company

>>211874671
They gained a market edge and then they monopolized it.

>>211877409
How many times has happened, a country has some tech and it's convinced no one else will ever be able to replicate it.
We'll see how long that will last.