Are you a programmer / IT worker in your country? Do you like it?

Finland, no..I wish I was a preindustrial farmer.

I am unemployed so yes

I like it I guess because it's money for pretty easy work and I work from home

I did not do any work so far this week just take naps, watched TV and planted some plants I bought

programmers have it easy in the modern times
just abuse stackoverflow and gpt

>>211890302
I thought full remote work is now extinct. Every place has at least partial office days

I like the actual work part but I dislike others who fuck up code I have to work with and stakeholders who want to tell me HOW to things instead of the requirements letting me do it the right way instead of their misinformed dilettant way that makes things unnecessarily complex

>>211890361
I work full remote. I could move to Finland tomorrow.

>>211890263 (OP)
I combine two domains. Finance and IT, basically automating financial processses. It's sometimes quite a stressful work because if something's broken it's all on me

>>211890263 (OP)
These days, I'm just vibe coding for an hour per day and sleeping in the office.

>>211890302
>>211890547
How are your bosses so lenient

>>211890263 (OP)
Yes
It’s a boring soulless work but at least I get to work from home for 6000 euro per month

>>211890361
Well I lost my last job in October then got this one in March and I just only looked for fully remote so it wasn't that hard I guess. 5 months.

>>211890573
Idk they just don't have that much for me to do. I asked for more stuff and said I'm happy to help with whatever, so they know I'm not very busy but I'm not complaining if I don't have shit to do and keep getting paid. I'd rather be a bit more busy so I feel like I'm not just going to get fired to save money...

>>211890263 (OP)
No.

>>211890790
isnt 6k too much for a pole

No
I wish I was so I could earn fat USD writing substandard programs.

>>211891374
It’s too much for ryssa for sure

>>211890263 (OP)
Yes
It ain't great but it definitely beats slaving away in a factory or doing manual labor, and all the other office jobs are a minefield for autists like me. Been only at it for 3 years though ever, so maybe in 10-20 I'll have a different opinion

>>211891449
now but seriously isnt that much that is like the what high income seniors earn here

>>211890263 (OP)
Yes
I like it, it's decent money and I do fun things at work.

>>211891548
Not unheard of for independent developers. Apparently it's easy there to make one-man-companies and incentives with taxes. The company I work at has a lot of contractors like that from poland

I wish I had a job programming but I work in sales.

I hear it's pretty tough to get hired these days even if you have a CS degree. I have a degree in Industrial Engineering and only programmed a lil bit of C. I wonder how I could even break into an entry level role. Build up a portfolio?

>>211890263 (OP)
>IT worker
Yes.
>Do you like it?
No, I do barely any work and I don't like how anything is being on my job and my job due to some thingie for more perfectionism, but it all shit and I just construct more shit on old shit.
I wish I could live without working.

>Knowing syntax = development
I hate juniors so much. Let's hope no junior ever gets hired again.

>>211891767
Do they really higher such juns in your country? Here the entry market is overheated and you need to have some experience and several your own projects to get hired.

>>211891548
Well I’ve been working for 8 years so I’m sort of a senior. I think wages in IT are kinda uniform across the EU which is obviously very beneficial for Eastern European programmers

>>211891374
>too much
>money
????

>>211891693
by knowing someone. You have high chances.

>>211890263 (OP)
>Are you a programmer / IT worker in your country?
No
>Do you like it?
No, I actually despise people who work office professions.

>>211890263 (OP)
I wish I was a fucking truck driver.
I hate technology so fucking much and I started developing back in 2000 with java, then javascript, then visual basic then python.
All those hours wasted just to leave programming due to agile, scrum and all that shitty methodologies so I became tech support. I hate standups, sprints, because all of them require you a fucking meeting. Now I do tech support and my manager wants fucking meetings for every fucking incident on servicenow.
>wtf dude? don't you have a life? do you masturbate while listening to our voices? just send a fucking email or ping me on teams, I don't want a fucking meeting
Fucking nigga just makes meetings so people can see he is working from home
Nigga, just reply back to my emails or teams, I don't need fucking meeting fucking old dude, just fucking retire

Yes
I want a farm and do some manual labor like janitor

AI will replace all of you retard codemonkeys lol

>>211890263 (OP)
>>211894436
There is nothing stopping either of you from doing manual labor where all you need is graft.

>>211894520
you don't understand, first they need assets worth several hundred thousands given for free so that they can make a profit from them that's lower than investing it into stocks

>>211894571
All you need is graft.

>>211894520
I need at least 5 more years of income to retire

>>211894797
You said you wanted to "do some manual labor like janitor". Guess what, you can do that right now. But you don't really want to.

>>211891693
>I work in sales.
I've been watching a Japanese salesman YouTube daily-soap and it looks like fucking hell.
How are you holding up?

Also: Just like the Finish Anon said: Vitamin B is everything.

>>211890263 (OP)
Yes. I like it because the pay is great ($165k in chicago) and I work from home. I dislike it because the company I work for got acquired by a private equity firm and merged with a shitty SaaS company and they are an anchor tied around our neck. Their product is shit and their tech debt is overwhelming even though they're a younger company.

>>211894485
Ai will replace everyone else except tradies first, so I dunno why you're acting superior.

I don't think genuine software engineers will be replaced for another decade at least, but I'm saving and investing as much as I can to prepare for the future where 90% of the population is unemployed.

>>211896708
shouldnt you try to get a property debt free instead of trying to save by buying equity and saving when that shit goes under anyway

>>211897515
I'm planning on buying a house soon with around 50% down. Family circumstances delayed that from happening already.

>>211896708
>165k
how much of that do you actually keep

>>211890263 (OP)
>Are you a programmer / IT worker in your country?
yes
>Do you like it?
no, i hate it. i wish i was a truck driver or a mechanic or something like that.

>>211897639
>Here's a breakdown of the 2025 tax brackets based on filing status:
>1. Single Filers:
>10% on income up to $11,925
>12% on income from $11,926 to $48,475
>22% on income from $48,476 to $103,350
>24% on income from $103,351 to $197,300

That's federal. For state:
>The Illinois income tax rate is a flat 4.95%.

>>211897994
how about pensions
do you pay for those for the pay you receive? In Finland the employers pays for the pension before he gives you your pay and then you also pay another payment for them

>>211897994
and for your income, the tax rate would be 36,5% here if we assume you would live in Helsinki and werent member of the church so its not a huge difference. The pension payment plus unemployment insurance is another 7,74%

>>211898462
>>211898381
but to be realistic, pretty high tier income for IT industry is something like 6500€ per month so that would be 27,5% tax (with still the same pension plus insurance)

>>211898381
No pensions sadly, but we have something called a 401k that some employers offer that is tax advantaged and you can invest as you like. It has an annual limit ($23.5k this year) that I always max out. Part of my paycheck gets deducted and goes to that, and my employer matches a small part of it. You can also do another tax advantaged thing on your own called an IRA that has a smaller contribution limit (like $6k a year I think). I max that out too.

>>211898561
401k is probably way better if you are smart about it since in Finland you pay for the national pension companies that pay your pensions once you retire and while there are limits what they can do with it and they cannot cut the amount they pay (though they can decide to not increase it by a lot in the future), its not really yours and it certainly doesnt equal to the amount I would get if I had that money for myself

it wouldnt be that bad if the whole idea of pensions wouldnt sound unrealistic to me anyway. I just treat it as tax, not something I pay for my own good.

>>211890263 (OP)
I work in city maintenance.
Got my education in IT but never went anywhere with it and honestly can't remember shit.