now that the dust has settled, which is the Victor of the civilizational wars between England and France ?
Who is on top? Who is Most relevant on the world stage geopolitically, who enjoys the better infrastructure, quality of life, education, economy, which one is happier overall as a nation? who is stronger militarily?

Shitskins won, it's over for both of us
It was nice to know you britbros

the english speaking peoples overtook the rest of the west combined

>>211894574
Forgive me, allow me to rephrase my question in a way that would get you to contribute a meaningful answer, who has it less worse?
My vote goes to France, it's in disrepair but it's not a complete archaic heap of dysfunctional irredeemable junk like england is... My two cents at least.

>>211894501 (OP)
the UK won in the long run but only because of the rise of the US

>>211894501 (OP)
Anglos now have more in common with french intellectuals from french revolution period than with English people from the same period

>>211894661
But this isn't about the collective anglosphere, this is about UK VS France alone. From the nagging of Brits and social media England looks like a quasi-third-world country.

>>211894741
No shit, the British monarchy has completely lost all influence and power, they're nothing more than figureheads now. Nothing is decided in the king's palace anymore.

>>211894736
but US raised against brits and with french support

>>211894876
it's still part of anglo (uk) civilization

>>211894932
Oh so NOW we're white huh
Fuck you fuck off I am spiritually vantablack

>>211894932
You misunderstand the question completely, this isn't about history,England lost her empire a long time ago, revenue Made in canada, the US, Australia, south Africa, and new Zealand and not go directly to England anymore, it has no control over any other anglo nation. We are talking about the UK today, what it actually is today, in terms of relevance, economy, quality of life, infrastructure, and education! France had an empire too, there are many francophone countries in Africa and the new world, why aren't you taking that into account?

>>211894985
Go back to watching Italian brainrot on your iPad, new worlder. Adults are having a conversation here.

>>211895034
they're all third world african shitholes

>>211894736
>the UK won in the long run but only because of the rise of the US
we already won 1815, France was our bitch after that

The UK ended up winning I'd say, but they're both 2nd tier powers now. Geopolitically they're about the same. France being central to the EU stands to them but the UK has more soft power and London is a finance hub. France has better infrastructure and a quality of life. UK has better 3rd level education

>>211895501
Thank you paddy for being the first to give a real answer! Can I sex you? c:

>>211894501 (OP)
The financial governments, unironic sinners and the corrupt seat takers. Europe is not a land of sovereign rulers that care about their own population or possess any sort pride beyond necessary concessions to optimize control. Plebians are a resource.
From another perspective there are no actual sovereign nations anywhere on Earth anymore. Not when it comes down to some matters.
No one has won but those about whom you'll never hear. This world, perhaps even the entire reality is ensnared in an esoteric invisible war.
It all looks stable one moment, until you look elsewhere and look at results that only keep on bringing up more questions.

>>211894501 (OP)
UK by far but France kinda seems to have better future

>>211894501 (OP)
>>211894702
>>211894776
The UK has better everything. Whatever you can think of positive in France, UK has it but better. Better economy, better infrastructure, better purchasing power, better education, etc... Whatever you can think of negative in the UK, France has is worse.

The only thing in which the UK seems to be in a worse spot is with the Islamic invasion, but that's only because pakis are all borderline terrorists compared to nafris, and even that isn't going to last (just look at Belgium).
France is also a much better looking country in my opinion, but i'm obviously biased.

I'm not even going to talk about demographic replacement, but yeah the UK moggs us in pretty much any way
it's fucking over

france has lagged behind for well over three centuries by now. by the time of cromwell's death france as a culture was only playing catchup and over romanticising their own output.
still better than germany which was never at any time relevant.

>>211896891
>it's fucking over
So quick to give up?

>>211897007
Different philosophy, historically Germany doesn't hold relevance but Germans do.

>>211896891
no

>>211896891
>The only thing in which the UK seems to be in a worse spot
Why don't their commoners fight back? If there was a time for militia action it's decades overdue.
Is their government that compromised?

England was a French colony. We won both way you look at it.

>>211897095
perhaps true to someone from the balkans or eastern europe, here we had our own thinkers. most things associated with germany originated elsewhere, gothic architecture being a prime example

>>211897533
I never knew anyone who thought gothic was german. It was common knowledge that gothic was french, specially because the examples of gothic architecture were always french, chief amongst then, was notre-dame cathedral.

I respect England which is my country; the 'UK' doesn't mean anything. England is 1/4 the size of modern France and 1/3 the size of modern Germany, for most of history our population reflected this too, until the 19th century and we industrialised heavier than both. It's a destroyed country as a result on a cultural level. There is no longer an English culture but vestiges scattered around in various parts of the country, better the further away from london you go. We might as well be one big city controlled by a centralised government. I don't care if England is marginally better than France today in economy, I care about culture and that France was once a far greater country than ours in all honesty, just as Rome dwarfed our own civilisations, and French cities still retain some of that dignity. The anglo is no longer european. Military hardly matters. If you think that now a cultureless people like the Chinese (they lost it under communism) will soon become a great world power to rival the USA it becomes evident that modern militaries are toys.

>>211897055
>>211897265
Western Europeans are demorilized to death, their women are pysoped into definding Islam in Europe in the name of "diversity" and whatnot. Very clever psychological levers are used to manipulate Western Europeans into hating themselves, their history and suppress any semblance of self-preservation mechanism.
That's why every single western woman is an hardcore feminist while still defending Islam and muslim/third world immigration.
That's why any sane migration policies that would be considered common sens anywhere else (not letting people who hate you and actively killed hundreds of people on our soil) is heavily frowned upon here.

There is no "fighting back", because there's no fight, it's a very passive and engineered process. There's no "giving up", we have never even tried.
Our governement are not "compromised", they are actively acting against Western Civilization.
Islam is the broom of Israel, a tool to destroy Edom e.i. the Western Civilization, along with global cultural manipulation.

I'm done with my chud rant

>>211894501 (OP)
literally doesnt matter today as both are brown shitholes

also
>civilizational wars between England and France
lmao what

>>211897612
perhaps a better example would be blackletter, which has become almost the "fake russian" font for germany but was actually developed in france and originated from insular script, or the whole of the romantic period which clearly originated in england. there's a prevailing image of europe now where germany is situated at the centre radiating culture outwards, when in reality it was always in imitation of the west, always lagged behind the west, and existed only in reaction

>>211898312
see >>211897118

eternal reminder

>>211894501 (OP)
On the whole, I would definitely say France.
That said, I don't think it's often understood how small this country was until enclosure and the Industrial Revolution. It had about a tenth of the population of France for most of its history.

>>211898615
>It had about a tenth of the population of France for most of its history.
More like 1/3
Crazy to think it had a bigger population than France for most of the 20th century

>>211898005
i mean that's how I feel United Kingdom is basically dead inside and doomed to be province of American Empire in few decades
France meanwhile still has traces of its spirit and with essentially abandoning Africa, rapid disentchanment of its population at current system and growing trend to European integration it can become founder and leader of European Empire

In practice England worked better because it practiced colonialism by delegation.
France tried to make everibody French, which is more difficult, causes more resentment and is the only way to secure an empire in the long term.
So I'd say that France was the superior empire, because it tried to eliminate diversity. Even if it failed.
England was doomed from the start, because it tolerated people speaking in silly accents.

>>211898945
>founder and leader of European Empire
I think you meant balkanize and lose relevance forever as yet another small ireelevant western region of the greater german reich/eu

If your civilization endgame is being ethnically replaced by bantus and having your population estrogenized and consuming BNWO pornography, maybe it was always garbage

Rome wins

>>211899052
How would France balkanize? I thought they eliminated regional identities.

>>211899086
macron and the eu want france to decolonize ie forcefully eject its non european regions, give elsass to germany and balkanize into euroregions as well as handover whatever little army they have meft and nuke to european authorities ie the germans

>>211896891
UK is seems much more depressing

>>211899052
Germans are buckbroken lol they are just excellent at economy and micromanagement but they have no willpower or soft power to make European Union an actual state

>>211899152
They are the one pushing for european federalism
The french are just another slave state like many of the eu members. Forced to give what little relevance they have left and sacrifice everything for the sake lf european federalism (german interests)

>>211899152
The French are the opposite.

>>211894822
I said the same thing with different words

>>211894501 (OP)
anglos won it's not even close

>>211894501 (OP)
ITT
french posters:
>france is a shithole and england is superior!!
english posters:
>england is a shithole and france is superior!!!

>>211894501 (OP)
On one hand, I'd say that England has a brighter future than France thanks to the Brexit. On the other hand, their immigration issues seem far worse than ours.

Geopolitically speaking, I'd like to say France, but Macron murdered our credibility for at least a decade, so I'm rather unsure on this one.

Quality of life, definitely France, but that's almost always been the case imo.

Education, I have no idea. I don't feel confident at all with the way our universities and Grandes Écoles are going. We are basically killing what made us different, for better and for worse, in an attempt to copy the way the anglo universities work.

Economy, again I'd say that in the long run, England has better prospects.

Militarily, from all the information I know, we're above.

>>211897118
what is this pic supposed to say?