Reading about Hungarian history is seriously depressing.
Its literally about taking one demoralizing L after another for 500 years straight with no end in sight.

>>211939605 (OP)
Just do what every other hungarian on /int/ does. Pretend that never happened and insult people who come from historically successful countries as much as you can.

>>211939605 (OP)
Yes it must have been so sad to have to brutally oppress the Slovaks Romanians, Serbs, and Croatians for centuries. VGH boohoo poor you

we anatolians started downfall of hungary

>>211939673
Cmon everyone hates the french no point of getting personal in here

>>211939605 (OP)
Read our history and be glad how good you live.

>>211939752
Even though your countrymen do it with everyone not just the french. It's fine to have a chip on your shoulder but it's annoying to see that to many of you are genuinely unaware of how inferior you are. At least, you know.

>>211939751
Yes, next year will be the 500th anniversary of the battle of Mohács, the beginning of the end.

>>211939751
not true, Hungary peaked long after the Turkish invasions (late 19th century)
Hungary's demise only started in 1914 when they allowed to enter a war they couldn't win

>>211939883
sorry its impossible to take anyone seriously who talks about inferior this and that at 9pm on a summer friday night
what makes you guys so spastic just cheer up a bit lol

>>211939883
you are the one who sounds like he has a chip on his shoulder lmao

>>211939795
Yes true, Russian history is even worse in terms of backwardness and complete moral banruptcy of the society
But at least you can cope with the memory of winning WWII and having a big ass empire

>>211939605 (OP)
What difference does it make at this point? EU is borderless — you move around freely.

>>211939605 (OP)
Hungarians just have a weird tradition of allying with losers and then staying with them till the end.
If Hungarians adopted a more Italian approach (backstabbing your ally when only you see the first sign of his weakness) then your country would surely benefit from that.

Having said that, Hungary is still a very nice country to live and you can be kinda proud of that, knowing what hardships you have gone through before.

>>211939883
I don't know where do you get this delusions from. The only time people think of France is when some medieval shit happens and someone gets beheaded on the street again or something. I know French people are bitter about not having global dominance anymore but honestly no one here thinks about France, your country is not relevant enough for that in any aspect

>>211939954
objectively untrue
the biggest achievement of the 19th century was starting to catch up to the west
before 1500 hungary was on par with the west already, and it wasn't a vassal state but a sovereign country on it's own right with at least some ability to shape its own destiny

>>211939980
?
I work during the week-ends so I have friday off but can't go out, since as I told you, I'm working during the week-ends this month. And I did get out, but came back at around 7 and a half pm because tomorrow I start at 6 am. Again, this wasn't a personal insult, I was talking about people and nations as a whole. So you're double wrong. And that's fine. That's just who you are. History repeating itself.

>>211939954
Nah nigga the turkish wars devastated the country so hard we needed the whole 18th century to somewhat recover population wise
We couldnt urbanize, industrialize or even develop a civic mindset and were stuck in literal medieval feudalism up until the late 19th century
Turks froze history for us for a good 150 years

>>211940174
Well before 1500 the West was really backwards too and we were not really on par even then

>>211940041
Did Soviet Union won WWII?

>>211940016
You're supposed (probably lies) to have bothered learning about your country's history. How could we possibly have a chip on our shoulder? There's nothing to envy.

>>211940142
I didn't read that. I'm talking about anons on /int/ not normal IRL people. Go vent somewhere else.

>>211940296
Yes? It was one of the major winning powers

>>211940260
People on the internet love to do this thing where they accuse others of having chip on their shoulder in a really spastic way. You sound a lore more mad here

>That's just who you are. History repeating itself
Like who the fuck talks like this dude cmon are you autistic or something

>>211940340
But did it REALLY won the WWII?

>>211940308
>You're supposed (probably lies) to have bothered learning about your country's history.
Please tell me what I don't know about my country's history. I'm listening.
>How could we possibly have a chip on our shoulder?
>we
no, you personally

>>211939673
>historically successful countries
Tf you mean bro. There are zero such countries

>>211940286
We were on par in many aspects, even ahead of places like the nordic countries.

>>211940401
History of taking Ls 24/7.

>>211940346
What is going on here? OP is admitting himself that his country took non-stop defeats. Are you insane?

>>211940401
Rough Estimate for Hungary: Out of ~10 major conflicts (focusing on clear outcomes), Hungary has ~2 clear wins (Conquest, second Mongol invasion), ~5 losses (Mohács, 1848, 1866, WWI, WWII), and a few inconclusive or partial successes (e.g., Great Turkish War, largely Habsburg-driven). This suggests a win rate of roughly 20–25%, with many outcomes tied to being part of larger empires or coalitions.

Out of ~12 major conflicts, France has ~6 clear wins (Hundred Years’ War, Frankish expansion, Thirty Years’ War, Revolutionary Wars, WWI, WWII), ~3 losses (Italian Wars, Franco-Prussian War, Algerian War), and several partial or inconclusive outcomes. This suggests a win rate of roughly 50–60%, bolstered by France’s status as a major power with significant resources and alliances.

That's just war (only major conflicts). Let's not talk about the list of hungarians (non-jews) per capita who invented anything of note compared to western europeans. You have a chip on your shoulder and it's fine. I don't mind it. But I mind the non-stop aggression over it.

>>211940673
Did you type this into ChatGPT lmao

>>211940709
?
Of course I did. You thought I was trying to hide that fact? I don't know every hungarian major conflict by heart. Genuinely, nearly everything you do in this thread as an attempt to shame me only makes me question how your mind works. I was (still am) talking about nations and groups as a whole and you (hungarian flags) started attacking me personally even though we're anonymous online (?). Words online don't mean shit, but historical records mean a lot and we all know (hence why OP is depressed) who can proud of his history and who should be suicidal over it.

>>211940673
Ah yes, the famous hungarian war of 1866 never forget.
Where is the part where you prove to me that hungarians are unaware of the defeats in history?
>You have a chip on your shoulder and it's fine. I don't mind it. But I mind the non-stop aggression over it.
m8 you are the one who literally came here just to be butthurt about hungarians
absolutely no self awareness lmao
>>211940709
he did

>>211940174
>before 1500 hungary was on par with the west already
it wasn't really, Hungary was still the peripheries of Europe
there is a reason why Hungarian kings had to import foreign architects to build magnificent stuff like castles or palaces

>>211940265
>until the late 19th century
yeah, that's when you peaked
im not saying Turkish wars weren't devastating but in the end you managed to overcome its negative outcome and in late 19th century Hungary was already in the vanguard of European nations

>>211940857
>thread about an hungarian admitting his nation is a failure
>"wow you're hating on hungary???"
?

>>211940821
>but historical records mean a lot
No, they really not. I would 1000x rather live in Australia than China.

>as an attempt to shame me
Kek, all I said is that I don't care about France and you are largely irrelevant. Not my fault if you get into spastics rage hearing that

>>211940974
That's not what you said though lol. And I said hungarian flags, not just you. I personally am irrelevant, as all individuals are, but France mattered and matters a lot more than Hungary. That's not a vague or disputed fact, it's pretty concrete. Deflecting this much is a nice defense mechanism but I believe that in order to have a slither of an opportunity of growth, one should look at reality for what it is, not immediatly get defensive while pretending to be unbothered (he just replied because he was very unbothered). Is OP wrong that hungary's history is pretty pathetic compared to western european countries? Your most significant intellectual wasn't even hungarian, he was jewish and fled to the USA.

>>211940949
more like
>op makes a thread about being depressed about history
>frog goes on an asinine butthurt rant saying hungarians don't know their history because some hun flag insulted him in the past

>>211941079
>but France mattered
France wanted to become a global hegemon with a lot of influence over world matters. That did not happen. You have to put things into context.

>matters a lot more
France is largely irrelevant today if not for the population number. You have a much smaller economy than Germany and I would not consider Germany a world power exactly. You are even losing the colonies in Africa to Russian mercenaries

>one should look at reality
I mean the reality is that you have been sperging out here like an autist because I said the mighty France is irrelevant today with no influence whatsoever.

>>211939605 (OP)
>Start WW1, the most brutal brother war in history, because you want to rule over Serbs for some reason
>Get your shit pushed in
>Owowowowowow why I lose (non-hungarian) territory :(? This is so depressing :(((

>>211941196
>If I share the buzzwords I learned from the americans on 4chan I win
I gave him a solution. To just do what other hungarians (other balkaners in general) on /int/ do. Just ignore reality and insult everyone. A bit like you. So no, it wasn't asinine, it's the only legitimate solution for him, or you, if you desire to have peaceful minds and not feel constants thoughts of both shame and regret.

>>211941225
Well, Hungary was kinda like a bagel, their most valuable lands were their borderlands. They lost all their mountains with natural resources, they lost sea access, they lost a big chunk of their culture and history, including very important cities.

>>211941289
>Just ignore reality and insult everyone
That is what everyone does on this board for the most part, it is a shitposting board after all. This should not send you into spastics rage. I'm starting to think you are legitimately autistic or something. Did you mom smoke when she was pregnant?

>>211941302
They were playing empire and lost. Any ethnic group will be fine even though they are not leading an empire. It's time for them to look inwards and just develop a decent economy where people have a good quality of life, that's a great ambition.

btw, I just realized that the association of Hungary with a plain and steppe is actually quite recent, before WW1 Hungary's territory was mountainous/hilly in like 50% of its size. So I believe that besides their usual "steppe culture" there must have also been a peculiar Hungarian "highlander" culture.

>>211939751
this is generally true. ottomans massacred the population and as a result we became minority in many places. also ottomans brought here the gypsies. honestly the ottomans have to be one of the worst things ever happened in history. everything the ottomans touched is backwards at least somewhat.

>>211941396
>where people have a good quality of life
so...that's what they already have?
life in Hungary is quite comfy, surely it's not Sweden-tier but Hungary is an eastern European country with the lowest number of emigrants (maybe along with Czechia) for a reason - Hungary is simply a nice country to live and Hungarians don't really feel strong pressure to leave it

>>211941465
>honestly the ottomans have to be one of the worst things ever happened in history
be happy you didn't have to deal with Russia then

at least besides all these bad things brought by Turks, there are at least several good ones (like culinary influences, music, bath culture), meanwhile there was literally not a single good thing coming from Russia

>>211941524
They had to deal with Russians too :^(

>>211941341
>you're arguing back and forth with me... that's spastic rage
We clearly have completely different definitions of both the term spastic and rage. But perhaps that's because I try use terms the way they should be used instead of simply parroting catchphrases I've seen here. This tells me that you've wasted your formative years on this website.

>>211941289
Asinine is exactly the correct word for it because the entire premise of your theory is that hungarians are unaware of their tragic history, which is just insanely retarded for anybody who knows even the slightest bit about hungarians. The reason why you had to make up such an asinine theory was because someone insulted you in the past. There is a term for that: being butthurt.
As you can see, I didn't just recite buzzwords, I used the correct terminology to describe you.

>>211941565
only for 45 years
we had to deal with them more than Hungarians had to deal with the Ottomans and commies combined
that's pretty much the reason why Poland was historically worse than Hungary

>>211939605 (OP)
Perhaps you should convert to a proper european culture, chink.

>>211941612
>only for 45 years
and that was never direct Russian "management", good for them

>>211941396
So why did Sweden abandon this inward thinking pragmatic approach and decided to become a world humanitarian superpower and global ombudsman? Even during the cold war Sweden was among the most outspoken opponent of the USSR even though it was among the least affected countries on the continent. Sweden is probably the least inward facing country in the EU.

>>211941567
All your posts sound exactly like pic related its like you have autism or really poor socialization skills and don't realize how spastics you sound. Which is increasingly common desu were you raised on iPads or something? You guys end up sounding like some JRPG boss dialogue

>>211941601
It's a pattern of behavior, not just one case of an hungarian being aggressive. It's impossible to talk to hungarians (or balkans in general) about their history without them getting very emotional over it. That eventually leads in a lot of needless insults. When all is lost and your historical record is pathetic, hide online on anonymous forums for losers to insult other people the picosecond they start mentionning historical facts that do not please you.

>>211941642
>Even during the cold war Sweden was among the most outspoken opponent of the USSR
I don't think so, eastern bloc commies praised Olof Palme

>>211941642
Sweden only wants to be secure and make money to fund comfy policies

>>211941679
I'm trying to make my posts as easy to understand as possible for obvious reasons. If you call that being spastic, that's great. I probably sound weird when I try to explain very simply things to babies IRL. Anyways, I gotta go because I work tomorrow (and sunday too). Enjoy your life and read a lot of books about your nation's proud history.

>>211941686
Because they technically remained neutral. But Sweden was a very outspoken in criticism, especially towards the end of the USSR

>>211941762
I guess they didn't really do that on purely moral grounds, they simply wanted communism to collapse so they could do business in eastern europe + just feel safer as basically bordering all that Soviet bloc military power might have made them feel a bit uncomfortable

>>211941721
That is hard to believe when you send your ugly middle aged dykes all over the yell about gypsy oppression on the streets or something
A country like Switzerland could easily say that, most countries in the EU could say that before Sweden

>>211941737
Well autists usually don't realize they sound spastic, that is kind of the point

>>211940392
Apparently it did not, because Putin is still fighting the nazis.

>>211939605 (OP)
You guys are our only neighbour we never had any issues with.
Keep being nice.

>>211941684
You really have no self-awareness. People insult you because you are completely clueless and making shit up, not because you are trying to discuss history. In fact you are not trying to discuss it at all just inventing bonkers theories about hungarians denying history without a single piece of evidence to back that up.

>>211939673
Is that what they do? Every time I look in their general its just unabated coomposting. Seems pretty based to me.

>>211939605 (OP)
you at least had some relevance in the middle ages and in la belle epoque. meanwhile this shithole was so fragmented and posed that it's gonna stay irrelevant forever despite the recent development

>>211939605 (OP)
Try being a Celt, lad. We have had it much worse.

>>211942125
relevance is cope desu, finland was never relevant and its a decent place.
being politically relevant caused that the following groups
>gays
>troons
>muslims
>3rd worlder left wingers
>progressive liberals
to be kind of assblasted about hungary on the internet. before that they did not even know we existed. its always funny seeing someone having really strong opinions about hungary then you check their profile and its like a serb diaspora or a troon or something lol. at least we get increased tourism out of it

Hungary arguably had the single worst diplomacy and foreign policy in the wold for the last 600 years. It's incredible how consistently bad it was. You can't even blame it on some stupid rulers (they wouldn't be bad for six centuries straight). The people were behind them.
They then tried to oppress other peoples but had no might behind it as well as no civilization so they couldn't excuse it as being harsh on savages, and they were called out the moment their daddy got stomped.
Hungary could have admitted they should play nice and safe in 1750 at the latest, told the inbred Habsburg cuck to fuck off, do nothing while securing good relations with natural allies (France and Russia), and would have been better off than what they ended up being.

>>211942682
>Hungary arguably had the single worst diplomacy and foreign policy in the wold for the last 600 years
But that is literally your cunt since WW1 no kidding

>>211942746
Since 1956 and vassalisation to the US perhaps, and that isn't close to the worst even in this much reduced time frame.

>>211942682
it is absolutely unreal how historically illiterate you guys are.
its especially rich coming from a brit who has not realized in 70 years that you have neither the capacity neither the permission to influence world matters anymore but you guys still act like you have this large empire and it is becoming increasingly embarrassing to witness this when you are like running to ukraine acting like you have any influence over the conflict then you have to rush back to daddy america to get some permission so you can send your own stuff lol

meanwhile politically your biggest achievements from the past decades is importing pakis and other people on an absolutely industrial scale like no one else. then you go around lecting others like fuck off lol

>>211942881
the downfall of the uk is definitely one of worst blunders what are you talking about? going from an empire that kicked off the industrial revolution to being one of the poorest western european countries with rationed food and the smallest living spaces to somewhat recovering for a little bit only to be taken over completely by pakis and becoming this thirdie version of denmark or netherlands that is worse in every measurable aspect with boarded up buildings and shit

hungary staying the same shit is not comparable to this absolute blunder

>>211939605 (OP)
yeah

This thread is full of bullshit
And this is just one example
>>211942682
>Hungary arguably had the single worst diplomacy and foreign policy in the wold for the last 600 years.
The 1867 deal with Austria wasn't goof Hungarian diplomacy?
Like really?