How does your cunt view communism?

>>211950041 (OP)
I hope all communists combust

we love and worship and obey and copy it

>>211950114
you got your wish and serve capital now. For us others, like China, capital will serve us.

>>211950041 (OP)
kill them

>>211950337
>>211950325

>>211950041 (OP)
the hatred cannot be expressed through words

>>211950041 (OP)
Negatively, everyone to the left of the ruling party is labeled a communist unfortunately.

so under "true" communism everyone would essentially live like broke leftist college students? while occasionally being forced to take part in slave labor?

>>211950041 (OP)
milquetoast at best.

>>211950325
I haven't. Why is the shroom still on the red square? Why is there a monument to shroom in my city? Who are the retards voting for communist, so their governor turns our oblast to shit?

>>211950409
He was the best thing to ever happen to you guys, that was your golden age

>>211950041 (OP)
nobody takes it seriously anymore except autists and redditors who live abroad

>>211950464
Kill yourself saar

>>211950041 (OP)
Negative, but most people think that communism is when the State does things and raises taxes.

>>211950483
The CPI used to be based. Aldo Moro getting merced was lure kino

It's a weird case. Boomers obviously remember it fondly because they were young and it was before wars went on and the economy went to shit. But zoomers who were born way after that stuff are being brainwashed by social media to hate communists and to blame them for this country being shit when in reality it's the fault of the people of today that the country is shit

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>>211950898
Moro getting killed by the Red Brigades was fucking retarded and directly ended any chance of the PCI's presence in the Italian government that they had been working towards with the Christian Democrats.

>>211950041 (OP)
We don't really have a seething hatred of it, like some other countries in Europe do, nor are we particularly fond of it. It isn't something we've directly experienced ourselves, so I'd say indifference is the prevailing sentiment. If I saw someone waving the communist flag in publiccfor example, I'd just think he was weirdo, walk past and carry on with the rest of my day. I think the same goes for 99% of British people.

Despite the retardation communists need more love from society because the danger of communists taking power was the whole reason European governments worked hard to provide their citizens with shit like free quality healthcare and education and better rights for workers. Once the Soviet union fell and communist parties stopped existing, every country slowly but surely started neglecting these things. Governments need to feel a sense of danger in order to do their job correctly

>>211950041 (OP)
corrupt af, they should be exterminated.

>>211950041 (OP)
https://youtu.be/tHOi9sbATSk

kino in the 80s but now they're just cucked in the mountains

>>211951016
>being gay reformist niggers who cooperate with capital

Would have become irrelevant anyway.

>>211950114
based

>>211950041 (OP)
Generally viewed as cringe. Even our most left wing retards aren't fans of it.

>>211951140
>being gay retarded niggers who scream and cry and accomplish nothing is better
You faggots are the reason socialism and communism fails to achieve anything in the West.

>>211951016
in the 1990s they rebranded as "democratic party of the left" and managed to form a coalition government with other forces. although they had abandoned communism after the fall of the USSR, the party leaders and personnel were pretty much the same.

>>211950041 (OP)
Some miss it. Some don't.

>>211951160
>literally kidnap and assassinate the prime minister
>accomplish nothing

>>211950379
Not really, it is supposedly a post commodity society where due to an abundance of goods and services basic needs can be met automatically and you are allowed to pursue your own ideas and aspirations kinda freely. Now in general all "needs" are also met but these needs are determined democratically. For example people can say if someone works more and has more responsibilities and whatever, then he is entitled to more stuff, the point is that he cannot accumulate this and so it can also be taken away if it is not deemed necessary anymore. It's beyond dumb to think this is feasible since it requires an even more ridiculously rationalized view of the market where we are so advanced productive, technological and knowledgeable we literally know what jobs we kinda have to do to sustain ourselves and what is "extra".

>>211951229
>the prime minister
He wasn't.
Did assassinating him end capitalism in Italy? Dumb cunt.

>>211950041 (OP)
evil anti-human infection that tried to destroy the world and eventually got quarantined to containment zones

Its popular with redittors but I think they are a plague that needs to be eradicated and hopefully they aren't too popular

>>211951229
moro was not the prime minister at the time of his kidnapping. the pm was giulio andreotti

>>211951244
every conversation I've ever had with a communist has ended with a forced admission that slave labor would still be necessity in a communist society.

>>211951250
It showed no one was untouchable. If militant Communists kidnapped and assassinated our current leader they would be nationally worshipped heroes and have recruits flocking to their ranks.

>>211951371
>making rapists and murderers mine coal for a few years is ‘le bad’

>>211951433
It achieved nothing. "Showed no one was untouchable", who cares? They still kept raiding militant safehouses and arresting them by the hundreds. Change nothing whatsoever except stopping the actual Communist Party from joining government from which it would actually be able to effect change.
Americans are insufferable. Just LARPing dumb cunts.

>>211950041 (OP)
Great idea that has never been tried

>>211951448
no they always say the "community" would be do it but it wouldn't be forced because in a communistic society everyone would have high work ethic b/c no exploitation, or something

>>211951489
Clearly you never talked to anyone who knew what the fuck they were talking about and have no idea what “Socialist Emulation” is. You get paid more for working harder in communism.

>>211951510
I thought there was no money in communism

for some reason a bunch of humanities-inclined people love this ideology

and also paradoxically, islam for some reason

I don't even know how besides thinking to myself, are these dumb fucks retarded?

>>211951433
Honestly if Drumpf got killed today it would probably be a net positive to his legacy than letting this shit go one for another 3.5 years. There's still enough first term nostalgia left that people could cling to that.

>>211951519
There is no ‘capital’ (i.e. something you can speculate and invest with). There is labor vouchers which delimited your share of the collective whole relative to the value of your labor as a function of social necessity from each according to their ability and to each according to their need.

>>211951705
>There is no ‘capital’ (i.e. something you can speculate and invest with)
Capital in the Marxist sense doesn't just refer to money, it also refers to the means of production as well as the goods produced by the means of production. Capital exists in Marxism it's just supposed to be commonly held, but that never actually materializes because the entire system is contrary to human psychology.

>>211951825
No, it doesn’t. Dumb nigger. Capital is not just another word for wealth. It has specific transient properties that are more broadly referred to as ‘commodities’.

And “muh human nature” is such an insultingly retarded argument. There is nothing ‘natural’ about how humans have lived for the last 10,000 years with agriculture and urbanization etc. we literally created artificial habitats for ourselves that did not previously exist.

In fact, the default state of most human societies throughout history that were hunter gatherers was collective ownership of all resources and labor by familial clans. Socialism and communism is a direct continuation of this with the aid of technology and industrialization to expand to the broadest stratum of modern civilization.

>>211951952
>There is nothing ‘natural’ about how humans have lived for the last 10,000 years with agriculture and urbanization etc.
anything that exists is natural by definition

>>211952079
>being a 90iq retard who doesn’t even do semantics right

>>211951705
That would still be akin to state capitalism by marx since it allows accumulation of wealth through labor. I agree in reality that is as close as one gets but in theory no an ideal communist society wouldn't need even labor vouchers or labor hour calculations.

>>211950041 (OP)
Our government schools churn-out communists that don't even realize they're communists.

Just consider property tax, it means you don't own land but all the idiots think we need property tax. If you ever stop paying property tax (rent) to the government, they take land you "own" away from you.

>>211952079
way to out yourself, tranny

>>211952182
>citing fake dictionaries

>>211952269
>I cote the oxford dictionary
>you completely cut out your source
Cute.

>>211952212
Communism is an ideal to be achieved like freedom. It’s somewhat abstract by nature, but it’s closest achievable form is Socialism as our current technology stands.

>>211952215
There is no property tax under. Hell, the USSR has a lower income tax than the US because its taxation didn’t work like capitalist taxation does.

>>211952314
you cited google. I cited the oed

>>211952262
just say "good", that's what you really mean

>>211952262
No, I'm the proud tranny

>>211952355
>There is no property tax under.
Under what? Under communism? Of course, because there's no property to tax.

>USSR has a lower income tax than the US because its taxation didn’t work like capitalist taxation does.
And their income was basically nothing and they had to resort to cannibalism not to starve.

Also
>USSR has
It doesn't exist anymore, idiot pinko.

>>211951669
>hour calculations.
For sure

>>211952499
The USSR had a higher average caloric consumption than the US just lower food variety due to being less globalized. You get more variety at the expense of a less white nation
>it doesn’t exist anymore
Yeah, and it’s a dysfunctional nightmare realm now plagued by mafia rule and sectarian conflicts because of it.

>>211952334
Yeah but as with freedom the ideal is not just abstract but fundamentally ambiguous and prone to misuse and radicalization which is the issue with projects like those in Mao's China or Pol Pots Cambodia. I believe that in order to achieve a pragmatic socialist economy we should keep close to the Marxist analysis of capitalism and try to fix the problems instead of waging wars against bourgeois ideas or whatever which many leaders thought naturally would lead to efficient economies with no problems whatsoever which is kinda nuts. So yeah I agree with having labor vouchers or anything more close to compensating work in a just manner, but I have grown away of the communist ideal which does actually sound like the strawmans many anti commies use sometimes lmao.

>>211950041 (OP)
Google "origin of hearts and mind strategy". Trivia: the commies are the reason we have the death penalty for having illegal guns.

>>211952692
That was the entire purpose of Stalin’s “Socialism on One Country” thesis. That revolutionary conditions cannot be forced and socialism must be constructed where it exists first.

>>211950041 (OP)
it's banned here so in no way, basically

>>211952212
>accumulation of wealth through labor.

There are physical limitations to how much wealth you can make with your body alone. Since it needs rest, food, etc. Neccesities that cant be postponed, wether youre 25 or 50 yo.

Accumulation happens in capitalism because workers are compelled to give surplus work to their employers in order to receive their salary. They work 8 hours to receive what they produced in 4 or 6 hours. There's no alternative.

This is an assymetrical relationship that makes the wealth gap between stock holders and direct producers insurmountable.

Nothing of that magnitude would happen with non transferible labour vouchers.

>>211950041 (OP)
>Taiwan makes games to kill commies
you decide

>>211951371
Every system with scarcity will have slave labour.
>>211953368
Jihadist kino.

>>211950041 (OP)
Kill them all.

>>211950041 (OP)
almost a natural development step among the aware of the natives lower classes

>>211951271
Now you're just yelling 'nigger' at the cuttlery.

>>211951271
How are kibbutz any different?

Typical German "philosophy".

>>211951371
why do they assume slave labor when lights‑out manufacturing is already a thing? china already has dark factories that run 24/7 with zero humans on the floor

>>211953557
Marx appropriated the ideas of proto-communists, utopianists, pre-Marxists, and primitives. We must not let German atheists distort the Christian socialist order of Jesus (pbuh)

>>211953746
unironically china proves that fully automated gay space communism is going to be a thing. A.I. is going to take the jobs away and chinese bots will work the rest