I don't really know what the west is doing much better than Japan anymore. There's not much.
They basically have far more rapes and other violent crimes, far more homeless people, more plastic waste per capita, far more hate crimes, etc. They may claim it's just becausse they have more diversity but Japan already has millions of non-Japs and yet there's barely hate crimes. The average work hours and the suicide rate actually aren't much different.

Most of their criticisms of Japan seem to be a cope.

>>211963045 (OP)
I hope Japan can maintain its racial purity and cultural homogeneity so that it may remain superior. It disgusts me to see foreigners in Japan. Filthy gaijin should never be able to set foot on Japanese soil.

>>211963843
The thing is, there are people saying something like that so ''liberals'' try hard to shit on it.
I just want it to be rated fairly.

>>211963045 (OP)
>Jap flag trying to make a thread not about sucking his own dick: IMPOSSIBRU charreng.

>>211964090
Not an argument and I rarely make a thread here

>>211964166
I don’t care. It seems to be THE theme of every thread made by your flag. And it’s not some semi-troll like the self-centered American threads. No, dead serious sterypical Jap
>Nihon superiouru to westu every way gaijin watch anime and eat ramen desu

>>211963045 (OP)
i never heard anyone say that any western country was better than japan

>>211964225
I don't think so. Most threads made by Japs are dumber and rarely have any actual argument, intentionally or not.
You sound coping just like I said.

>>211964407
>deflecting this hard
>akshyally I’m smart
Don’t care. Only here to post about how stereotypical you sound. That’s all.

>>211963045 (OP)
>>211964259
In my country those who don't think japan is the "most firstworld country" either think of South Korea, Switzerland or Canada

>>211964259
I'd say most westerners naturally believe the west has moral high ground over Japan

>>211964528
what the fuck does this even mean?

>>211963045 (OP)

>>211964467
You don't make any actual argument and if anything you are proving my point. Thanks.

>>211964548
what's even hard to understand?

how's that english teaching job working out?

>>211964683
most people have no opinion on japan, they dont even think about japan ever

>>211964713
>>211964605

>They may claim it's just becausse they have more diversity but Japan already has millions of non-Japs and yet there's barely hate crimes.

western diversity - africans and muslims
japanese diversity - other asians

>>211964731
That's pretty dishonest. You can claim most people don't ever think about most of other countries but some people do.

>>211964767
Japan probably has more muslims than people think, though.

>>211963045 (OP)
+ Far better working culture [statistics don’t tell the whole story about how bad it’s in Japan / Korea]
+ More spacious apartments, especially in big cities
+ Far more relaxed education, doesn’t torture children
+ 10x the amount of historical architecture
+ Higher salaries per hour worked
+ Higher rents, less seniors dependent on working part time

Many other things, Japan does better:
+ Safety
+ Affordability of rents
+ Better, more affordable takeout foods
+ Own, amazing popular culture instead of gulping USA semen

Japan is a first world country with triple IQ people and a high tech industry. It would be weird if it were worse in everything

>>211964945
muslims in japan - indonesians that love japan
muslims in the west - pakis and arabs that hate the west

>>211965021
*higher pensions

>>211964767
You’ll be amazed to find out whom Indonesians and many Indians are. Albeit they’re obviously more soy and meek than Arab youth

>muslims in Japan
>230,000 at the end of 2019, out of the total population of Japan of around 126 million.

that's fucking nothing

>In the UK, Muslims constitute the second largest religious group, with nearly 4 million individuals, or 6.5% of the population,

>>211965021
House size in 47 prefectures of Japan

#1 - Toyama (151.70 ㎡)
#2 - Fukui (137.08 ㎡)
#3 - Akita (135.27 ㎡)
...
#45 - Okinawa (76.28 ㎡)
#46 - Osaka (76.22 ㎡)
#47 - Tokyo (64.48 ㎡)

Comparison:
- US average (201 ㎡)
- Germany average (109 ㎡)
- Japan average (95 ㎡)
- UK average (76 ㎡)
- China average (60 ㎡)
- Russia average (57 ㎡)
- India average (47 ㎡)
- Hong Kong average (45 ㎡)

>>211963045 (OP)
Your country is in active decline bc y'all haven't had enough kids for 50 years and refuse to import thirdies to make up the difference.

>>211965021
>+ Far better working culture [statistics don’t tell the whole story about how bad it’s in Japan / Korea]
Sus. It's pretty narrative driven. People often do circle jerk about it but their claims are often baseless and relying on impressions which would be biased .
>+ More spacious apartments, especially in big cities
Sus. Japan's housing price is fairly cheap overrall.
>+ Far more relaxed education, doesn’t torture children
Hmmm kind of sus. That's pirtially true at least but it's often super exaggerated in the west just like the work culture.
>+ 10x the amount of historical architecture
I don't know, man. Japan's trad architectures are normally made of wood so it's true that it doesn't last long, but skills of it are still there and there are lots of pretty temples and such with pretty gardens.
>+ Higher salaries per hour worked
True.

Well, I think Germany is better than Japan overrall

>>211964090
it do be like that sometimes

>>211965206
recently it's like 350000 and the thing is it's rapidly increasing

Working culture is a stupid idea, how automated is what matters.

FA industry leaders
- Industrial robot: Fanuc (JP) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2BfVmmaWvk
- CNC machine: Mazak (JP) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByuVfOyz66E
- Material handling: Daifuku (JP) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXX7w5LtCws
- Industrial trucks: Toyota Industries (JP) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc_Ff6pJ3Fw
- Pneumatic equipment: SMC (JP) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEmsajtREE4
- Visual inspection: Keyence (JP) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W5knmS-bxE
- Motors, reducers: Nidec (JP) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH65xh_JK4I

Material handling is all about "Efficiency". The fact that Japan is its market leader tells how Japanese people work efficiently.

>>211965452
Aging population isn't a moral issue, though.
Westoids have been mixing up ecconimical issues and moral issues for their own narratives.

>>211965476
hmmmm ugly

Convenience store is all about "Convenience". and its biggest chain happens to be in Japan.

The thing is, the west isn't really self-aware about their biases when they criticize Japan's work culture and such

That's a shame

Hmm. Technology? That's kind of broad, though. Yeah, we're definitely going through a slump.

>>211965424
I was talking about apartment sizes.
Per capita residential space in Tokyo and Osaka is just 20 sqm afaik.
For comparison, in London and Paris, it’s still above 30 sqm. And in Berlin, Munich 40+
And these are extremely relevant agglomerations, with 1/3 of Japan living in Tokyo or Osaka metro.

Now, they’re also also more affordable. It comes at a trade off.

>>211965464
> Sus. It's pretty narrative driven. People often do circle jerk about it but their claims are often baseless and relying on impressions which would be biased .

No, I don’t just listen to anecdotes.
Even when you look at official working hour statistics, Japanese work ca. 25% more while also working part time more often. So if you look at full time jobs only, it’s 30-40% more working hours. That’s A LOT. You work 52 hours in jobs where a germ would work only 40, take vacations and day off less often. That’s a huge hit to quality of life, unless you’re a workaholic.

>Germany is still better than Japan
Not sure, really. Depends on what you’re looking for. It’s definitely better to work at, but then we also have railway stations full of homeless, drug addicts, pickpockets and whatnot - probably unthinkable in Japan.

>>211965921
There’s no “the west” when it comes to working culture. France and the United States are very, very different.

>>211965684
Are you insane? Two consecutive generations of Japanese were unable to sustain themselves. A declining economy means the future Japanese are condemned to a material existence. What's the point of "morals" if it leads to a stagnate economy and dwindling population?

>>211966424 (Me)
> condemned to a worse material existence

>>211965941
That anon>>211965424 is not me btw

>No, I don’t just listen to anecdotes.
Well, you said ''statistics don’t tell the whole story about how bad it’s in Japan / Korea''
So I meant how it would be biased when it's not based on stats and Japan and Korea aren't the same
I admit it can be pretty bad even on stats compared to Western Europe but it's more of Western Europe being good than Japan being so bad overrall

>>211966088
>There’s no “the west” when it comes to working culture. France and the United States are very, very different.
Well, yeah but there is when it comes to how they talk about Japan, to be fair

>>211966424
I didn't mean it's not a big deal, but that's just not what I was mainly talking about ITT.

>>211963045 (OP)
You're poor though

>>211966489
>Well, you said ''statistics don’t tell the whole story about how bad it’s in Japan / Korea''

Ah, my bad. But by that I meant “the statistics are already somewhat grim, and then you can dig even deeper if you want”. Like how bosses treat employees, what kind of tone and behavior is considered normal. There’s no statistic for that, so I’m not using it as an >>211966489
argument. But based on anecdotes, it ain’t that cool.

>I admit it can be pretty bad even on stats compared to Western Europe but it's more of Western Europe being good than Japan being so bad overrall

Yeah. But that’s what this thread is about, innit. We’re not comparing Japan with Sudan.

>Well, yeah but there is when it comes to how they talk about Japan, to be fair

Hm, where do you got that perception?

Outside of anime imageboards, we don’t really report much on Japan overall. It’s not a big topic in news. Last time it was was during Fukushima. Western boomers have a mostly positive opinion on Japan - when they grew up, Japan was the 1# in basically every technology. They also don’t know what anime / manga / JRPG are.

>>211966643
Almost nobody dies due to poverty here though

Japan's manufacturing and non-manufacturing industries are both thriving now.

Light blue: Non-manufacturing
Dark blue: Manufacturing

>Toyota Motor Corp. said Tuesday that its group sold 5.16 million vehicles worldwide in the first half of 2024, outselling German rival Volkswagen AG to retain the top spot in global sales for the fifth straight year.

>Honda remains the world's top motorcycle brand, with a market share of almost 30%. The global motorcycle and bicycle market is expected to grow from $76.87 billion in 2023 to $81.33 billion in 2024.

>>211966593
I understand that. In fact, I wouldn't dispute that the Japan is a peaceable & well organized country. But when the state and society are so clearly failing fulfill their basic purpose of providing for and sustaining the people, citing crime rates, plastic waste, & hate crimes rather misses the forest for the trees, no?

>>211966915
>We’re not comparing Japan with Sudan.
Yeah but the west isn't just Western Europe. Germany is mostly the top of top on earth.
The picture like this can be misleading in some ways but I guess it's still storongly suggesting things about Japan can be utterly exaggerated.
>Hm, where do you got that perception?
I think it's fair to say the west shares lots of narratives and tones

>>211963045 (OP)
I don't really notice any particular criticism of Japan.

Japan won the game, music, entertainment industries. Entertainment represents how much joy is filled in your country

>5 major Japanese gaming companies hit all-time share prices, as layoffs and studio closures continue to deathroll the western AAA industry.

>Sony Music published its latest financial results. 2024 was the first calendar year when Sony’s music rights business has generated more than $10bn in revenues.

American game developers
- whites: 20%
- zhangs: 20%
- some browns and mutts: 20%
- jeets: 40%

Japan game developers
- japanese: 98%
- gaijins: 2%

US had to import zhangs and saars to compete Japan, because Japanese game developers are extremely competent. You laugh if you see modern western game credits, there are full of zhangs and saars.

>>211967066
I was basically referring to a common type of normie ''liberal'' westerners who are very critical of Japan and their talking point isn't economy
Some of you might not know but it's becoming pretty common

>>211967750
They do not care about Japan nigguh.

Countries that make European far lefters seethe list:
1. Patriots of their own country
2. Israel (currently)
3. Russia (currently)
4. United States
5. Saudi-Arabia, Emirates, Qatar …
…
38. South Korea
39. Japan (maybe?)

Japan doesn’t do anything seethe news-worthy, except whale hunting maybe.

>>211967895
I mean, they are not very serious about Japan and their arguments are pretty dumb and yet it's pretty common and that's why it's scary
like ''duuude you can't turn off the shutter sound of camera in japan because there are many sexist creeps there WTF lol''
and ''duuuude in japan you can't go back to home while co-workers are still working WTF lol'' etc etc
There are SO MANY narrative driven shit like that and they are worse than half truth

And in reality, shit like that is getting more attention than most of actual things that should be talking about more and seriously
Maybe you would say that's just retards but most people are retards

>>211968689
typical

>>211968803
did you make both threads?

>>211968889
Nah

This is the only thread I made here in a long time

>>211963045 (OP)
>Frog post
>Good English
>Familiarity with /pol/ topics
>Huge ego
>No life. Post very actively, replies to every posts
>Still posting well-after midnight
OP is definitely not Japanese. Possibly a VPN nigger
You guys should really learn to spot these trolls. Visit the /jp/ threads to see how real Japs post like.

>>211969181
I'm actually Japanese and pretty liberal myself. I'm happy that you said my English is good.
Japs don't really do frog posting and I don't really like it but I felt like it would get more replies.

>>211966424
>you had an unnatural booming generation during the war? we must retvrn!
>materially changing circumstances don't exist, the population must always increase or seek to return to unsustainable peaks

>>211965021
>Own, amazing popular culture instead of gulping USA semen
lmao if you think Japan doesn't gulp our semen. They are probably the biggest of them all

>>211970430

>>211971388
you are free to post as many chad pics as you want, it won't change reality

>>211971469
No, acquiring more resources and building more houses will change reality. Being a faggot doomer who accepts social collapse and poverty as inevitable won't change anything.

>>211971664
there is literally not enough space in japan for more japs
life isn't a gsg

>>211970562
It's kind of true that Japs don't know a lot about Hollywood movies, dramas and celebs these days.
I don't really see that's a good thing because it just means they consume more of asian slop instead and they are becoming more ignorant overrall.

>>211971727
They could implement more pro-natalist polices, increase immigration to stave off the adverse effects of population decline, emphasize economic development in outlying areas to try to de-urbanize the population. As a foreigner, I don't know the best way to approach the issue, but I reject that it's fundamentally unsolvable. Japan is a still very wealthy country, it is simply a matter of having the will to implement a solution to escape the long-consequences of aging and population decline will have if they aren't checked.

>>211963045 (OP)
Japan is better than the west by every metric

>>211964090
>Nein nein nein not national pride zat is heckin anti-semitic!

I didn't really mean Japan is good.
But it's such a non issue. 7/10 or 8/10 in most aspects.

>>211963045 (OP)
japan doesn't have tall big tiddy white women, that's the one thing they are lacking and preventing me from moving there

most of the negative claims about japan are mainly propagated by Japanese themselves to discourage gaijins from coming so they can stay a racially pure homogenous society

>>211963045 (OP)
depends what "western" country you are talking about
USA yeah, that country is trash in so many aspects
britain and France to a lesser extent

germany, sweden, Finland, etc., aside from the diversity, subpar food, and expensive prices, you're probably gonna get an overall high-quality life balance

>>211964528
>the west has moral high ground over Japan
not hard to achieve tbqh, given the atrocities that japan committed in 20th century

>>211973713
before someone post weeaboo propaganda about how "nanjing is a myth," who didn't commit atrocities during the 20th century? you got soviet rapes in Germany, American rapes in France and japan, british/french colonial crimes, Armenian genocide

at least japanese government acknowledged and apologized many times
those revisionist netouyos are a minority

>>211973326
>most of the negative claims about japan are mainly propagated by Japanese themselves to discourage gaijins
I know you're not serious but it's pretty interesting that the negative claims about japan are usually shared among both Japanese left and western left and it's been enhanced by each other
For instance, the UN condemns Japan's sex issues from time to time and there are pretty shady Japanese leftists behind it
This is another thing that non-Japs don't really know

>>211973713
That's actually a good pont.
I mean, one of the biggest reasons why westoids can casually shit on Japan, make stiories up about Japan, and get away with it is that Japan was basically the only non-western country with ''white-guilt''.
That's pretty ugly, though.

>>211973919
american critiques mainly feel like either a cope because they're too poor to go to japan or mainly used to "own da weebz" than actually caring about japan's issues and hoping they improve for the better

i mean, i don't want to work as a Japanese salaryman or animator either, but I'm not gonna pretend our work situation is much better either

>>211973919
by "sex issues," they mean their anime lolis lol

>>211963045 (OP)
putting aside modern comparison, west probably had more interesting historical literature, art, architecture, fashion, classical music, aesthetics, though that's just my opinion

you change the future to be better or worse, but the past has already been settled

>>211974230
>I'm not gonna pretend our work situation is much better either
In the us? I'm not really sure about that. White people probably have it better, though

>>211974401
well yeah the west has been dominating in basically every field in the last hundreds of years
we live in such a world and Japan has been doing pretty well in the last 50 years
so maybe it's alright

Japan is often criticized as a "resource-poor" country, yet still smart enough to do business well in the supply chains.

Sure, LNG itself comes from US and Australia, but LNG ships and power plants are built by Japanese makers. Mitsubishi is a prime example, they just became the largest gas turbine supplier.

You can see it even in Euro's wind energy. Vestas wind system, its most important CFRP blades and power semiconductors are supplied by Japanese makers. Japan has presence in everything, because Japanese are high IQ.

>>211963045 (OP)
>has millions of non-Japs
Only if you count all of the half jap half chinese/kr/taiwanese and still they are still a really small minority, if you take that and the fact that the other major group of inmigrants are anglos (who on top of that are mid to rich class) you can see why there is not much issue with foreigners outside of annyoing tourists

>>211970562
That is because you consume cultural products that are designed for a Western audience

>>211975039
Are you really Japanese or are you an expat/soldier? I've never really met a Japanese person that's not abroad fluent in English or that actively seeks out English speaking corners of the web

>more plastic waste per capita
Impossible. Japan would wrap air in plastic if they could.

>>211975392
They also burn their plastic

Without actually relying on meme information, wikipedia articles and some other bullshit that gets passed around 4chan and the greater world web, sell Japan to me. Give me an actual sound and valid reason as to why I should go and start glazing Japan's asshole like what weebniggers and everyone else has been doing here ( for free ) since time immemorial.

>>211975684
anime little girls

>>211975101
Well, no, you don't really know about this thing. There are alredy millions of non-Japs who are really non-Jap.
And there are no many anglos here. White people don't migrate much.
The biggest reason why they are still small minority here is that Japan has 120M people despite it's not bigger than Norway which only has 5M people, but half of the Japanese population is old Japs and they are gonna fucking die so it will change quickly in the near future at this rate.

>>211975684
You really don't need to glaze Jap shit. That's kind of the point.
Gaijins need to understand weebism and insane critisisms are two sides of the same coin, and Japan is just a mid-tier first-world country that you don't really need to worry about.

>>211975392
Interesting, isn't it?
We are all kind of brainwashed by the media

>>211963045 (OP)
I live in a safe city and have a shit ton of holidays/vacation, wouldn't trade that. Main problem would be how culturally dead it is and boring it is.

>>211977545
>dead and boring
Forgot.