>America is not a democracy, ACTUALLY ITS A REPUBLIC
I swear the more I hear Americans talk, the more stupid they sound

>>212021231 (OP)
You're so right! I love you!

You japs were all illiterate peasants getting arbitrarily beheaded by Daimyo-sama to test out his new sword 150 years ago.

>>212021231 (OP)
Weebs larping as Japan are so ceinge

>>212021354
Gay

technically it's called a representative democracy, it's not direct democracy, frankly it's not much different from japan, people choose the people that choose the leaders, there is a few degrees of separation

>>212021231 (OP)
It is the dead giveaway phrase that you are talking to a retard, I agree. Usually the person using it will have given it away earlier, but if somehow he made it through the conversation incognito this phrase is the big Scooby-Doo reveal.

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>>212021354
Why are you namefagging

>>212021407
I like developing and evolving a persona

It's because they think the REPUBLICans is a more legit party than the DEMOCRATs

>>212021231 (OP)
democracy is a subtype of republic

>>212021231 (OP)
The people who typically say that are hyperpartisan nutjobs that don’t understand the definition of ‘republicanism’ and ‘democracy.’ They assume that democracy is rule by the Democratic Party and republicanism is rule by the Republican Party; an incorrect understanding of the meaning of those words. The two ideals are not mutually exclusive.

>>212021592
This. A dictatorship is technically also a republic.

>>212021777
I thought it was "overthrowing the democracy is good, actually" but not outright admitting what happened with 2020 elections

>>212021231 (OP)
No, we're not a democracy you stupid nip monkey. Our laws are those of a republic set by an oligarchy, the right way to have a government.

>>212021231 (OP)
Boomers who just discovered arguing online love pulling this one out of their ass

>>212021876
Found one

>>212021231 (OP)
Loser at home libshit with a useless degree couldn't get a job here outside of Taco Bell so he decided to teach English in Japan. You fags are always obvious on 4chan and especially /trv/.

>>212021354
Guys that go teach English in Japan are usually the most unbearable portion of weebs.

>>212021592
True but our system here isn't a popular vote based system so it can't be a proper democracy, it is a republic where states have balanced influence over the country with the federal government only having so much power over the states.

>>212021354
Seem to be more and more of them these days too, unfortunately

>>212021231 (OP)
maybe on paper but we are an oligarchy ruled by approximately 6000 Gerousia various positions throughout the empire. some of our gerontes are elected but most are not

fucking kek I've seen this exact comments plenty of times on Youtube and Reddit I can't believe it's such a widespread retard opinion

>>212021231 (OP)
>uneducated vpnfag can't tell the difference between a republic and democracy

>>212021231 (OP)
you look like this

>>212021904
>out of their ass

Our house used to be responsible for appointing members of congress, at no point in time was this country based on a fucking "democracy" the way you liberal zogbots wish it were. This is 4th grade civics holy shit lmao

Why do retards get offended by facts like that? Is it just a third/second world socialist/communist thing?

It's true though. It's not some opinion or contradiction. America was never meant to be a democracy. At It's start it was for white burghur yeomen farmers. Only land white male land owners could vote. And america still has many anti democratic features built in. Like the Supreme Court, electoral college and the senate, just to name a few off the top of my head. They aren't a parliamentary system If orange dictator controls all branches of government the other party that represents like 49% of voters might aswell not exist. The democrats and Republicans are pretty much the same anyway. Both Warsaw neo liberal austerity parties. Don't remember Biden fighting for universal social medicine. Even Bernie Sanders, a fringe politician, is a centrist at best.
Like when the traitor founding fathers founded this failed free mason experiment they respectively owned like hundreds of people. C'mon now. Now in the present day they let some hick farmer in Kansas have double the vote of a Californian, while letting Wyoming have as many seats in the senate. Canada doesn't perfectly represent the popular vote. But atleast we have a parliamentary system and MPs are free to vote against their party and regularly do so. Let's not even get into lobbying either. How is it a democracy if rich people get to buy representatives?

>>212021231 (OP)
The only people who say that shit are just trying to defend our retarded electoral college system.

>>212024805
Samefagging here but forgot the point of my statement. Americans larp as some super democracy spreading freedummmbsss. Bombing nations that are frankly just as democratic if not moreso than them.
Like the rhetoric around justifying an Iran invasion while Israel stockpiles some 400 warheads is just retarded to anybody with a functioning mind. America is just as democratic as Iran. I mean look at the approval rating of orange dictator and he can do whatever he wants for another 3.5 years. Completely fucked your whole nation in a handful of months and cannot do a thing about it.
Anybody with a functioning brain should laugh about Americans imposing regime changes. When they have orange grapefruit in charge.

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>>212024837
Americans raking pride in living under a dictatorship with term limits never ceases to amaze me. We have mega ultra freedom trademark! Gotta invade iran for the banks and military industrial complex.... oh like only 30% of Americans support it. Yeah but we don't live in a democracy baby, WOOT WOOT fascism hoooo!

>>212021231 (OP)
It's actually not a democracy. It's a republic controlled by an oligarchy. We had a similar thing in our country during the second half of the XIX century. A political class composed mostly of military officers and lawyers negotiating with each other and supporting one or two candidates. The elections were especially rigged to not allow outside parties to win, by requiring to sign up to vote and choosing electors

>>212024805
>>212024856
>>212024879
why are you so assblasted?

>>212024891
Because the closest nation to the one I border is ran by a senile orange fascist doing market manipulation for billionaires. And the craziest thing is Americans are still cheering to have their healthcare slashed to raise the Pentagon budget another trillion dollars. We are literally Poland bordering nazi Germany in 1938. Iran doesn't pose any threat to my country. Only yours does.

ITT: retards that think this is a binary

Its actually an oligarchy

>>212024879
people that don't make policy that people like get thrown out
>>212024881
>>212026070
>oligarchy
>2 branches of government are totally controlled by the public and are protected in their right to do so
lol ok

>>212026106

oligarchy and democracy arent always mutually exclusive. It could even be said that all forms of democratic capitalism lead to oligarchies, just by the asymetrical relationship that exists between the have and have nots

People can decide A or B, as long as these options are within the framework of what benefits the wealthy people, giving the ilusion of free choice

>>212026172
>>212026172
But both sides are not the same? Just because one side votes in a populist that disrespects rule of law and only employs his most ardent supporters doesn't mean that an oligarchy or a longstanding, institutional tradition of it suddenly exists, it merely has the potential to be that.

>>212021231 (OP)
Democracy is fake and gay.

>>212024725
The U.S. lags behind other democracies in terms of welfare and economic equality.
But to the American people, these are communist ideas, and they hate them.

>>212026106
>totally controlled by the public
By what fucking metric? When's the last time (You) have had any say in executive or legislative decisions? Do you really think electing someone to decide in your place is the same as making a decision? Does giving up your voting rights to people who have no incentive to listen to you, and actually have an interest in fucking you over, feel like being in control? Electing (making someone else decide) is the opposite of voting (having a voice). I seriously hope you're underage

>>212026379
You just dislike being in a fringe minority of opinion, and thus not being heard. I get it.

>>212026794
They have every incentive, I'm the one who gets them reelected
fuck off retard

>>212026842
No you're not, there's always going to be an establishment-approved grifter to fill the seat, showing up is enough to win since people with ideas that threaten the system are not allowed and no decent person will ever try to get in the system. It does not matter one bit to keep election promises. What are you going to do, vote for the other guy, purported to be even further from your ideals? You get to choose between turd sandwich A and turd sandwich B, as if these were absolutely the only options and if eating a sandwich without turd in it was out of the question. But whatever helps you sleep at night buddy. Keep running the country from the booth, big boy, you're important and brave

>>212026568
economic equality is literally a core component of communist ideology

>>212027309
oh sorry, i didn't realize i was talking to a toddler who gets upset when his personal pet issue isn't represented and blames the (((elite))) instead of trying to understand and practice politics

>>212027309
>>212027571
oh, also, please continue to not vote. it's meaningless, after all.

>>212026842
They don't have much of an incentive when it's all money driven. Citizens united took the voice away from everyday Americans and put it in the hands of people with more money.
your voice and mine means effectively nothing because we aren't rich. And they know all they need to do is spend money to convince people anyways.

>>212027649
Except they don't get reelected if people don't vote for them. You retards don't know lobbying works.

>>212027571
>don't be a child, asking for consent, just give up on dignity and accept your masters, extortion, prohibition, and coercion are normal mechanisms in a healthy society
good tax-paying government-approving boy, you'll get a treat if you behave :)

>>212027689
Enough retards are convinced with the money vs the words. More money = reaching more people.
Plus there's the fact that campaigns are in large part a profiteering endeavor for many already.

Japanese were cannibalistic up until losing WWII. Never let them live that down.

>>212027796
as opposed to you laying down and giving up your right because it's "waaa my opinion is unpopular"? fucking lmao, bitch
>>212027835
dont even know what this is supposed to say

>>212028066
Keep thinking you "totally control two branches of government". Don't act surprised when they find new ways to take away your freedom, you will have voted for it.

>>212021841
This. "America is not a democracy, it's a republic" is used to argue that there is nothing wrong with violating the principles of liberal democracy because America was supposedly never meant to be a democracy anyway. They conveniently conflate two entirely different meanings of democracy to create confusion.

Some retards still don't get it apparently.
Almost no country is an absolute democracy.
When people say "democracy" it usually is used in the lose sense of the word, i.e. a non-dictatorship where people have a day in closing their leader.
North Korea is called Democratic People's Republic but it's not a democracy at all in the way it's implied in normal speech.
A republic a a type of democracy and basically the default one at that.

'Republic' is a high level term denoting a polity in which ultimate sovereignty lies with the people. Republics often define themselves by having a constitution (in which the sovereignty of the people is legitimised in law) and/or opposition to monarchy (a system in which ultimate sovereignty resides in a single individual). Republics can take many different forms, and they are not always democratic. Russia, Iran and China are republics.

'Democracy' denotes a particular system of government - namely one in which the people have a direct and regular participatory role in government. This is usually via the election of representatives, but can also entail direct voting on legislation. Democracies are not always republics. Monarchies like Britiain, Canada and Norway are democracies.

PS - 'the people' can be defined however the fuck you want. A democracy in which only landowners or males can vote is still a democracy.
PPS - representative democracy is still democracy, in fact it's the most practical and common form of democracy. Direct democracy is not a 'purer' form of democracy, it's mostly considered an outdated and flawed system that has rarely been seen outside tiny ancient city states

>>212021592
No it's not. You can have democratic monarchies. These terms belong to different realms.

>>212021876
You have regulated and direct public participation in government (elections), therefore you are a democracy. Oligarchy and aristocracy can co-exist with democracy.

>>212022066
Lots of countries have semi-autonomous subdivisions. How does that make you undemocratic?

>>212024805
Most democracies started out with a strictly limited franchise. They were still democracies, it's just that not everyone was granted democratic rights