>soypilled a whole generation

>>212102278 (OP)
>and it's beautiful

The bicycle is literally the basedest form of transportation that has ever been invented.
If you disagree then FUCK YOU.

>>212102278 (OP)
Unsubscribed as soon as I saw the Soyran Mamavergadani endoresment

>>212102339
>>212102352
I don't disagree

It is more soy to go out in your soymobile that you pump soyjuice into and shell out thousands of dollars per year to get onto a road with hundreds of other soymobiles because you're too afraid to be out of your safe space surrounded by other people.
Our entire infrastructure should be reworked to become walkable/bikeable. And everyone else can take trains or buses. Most people don't need cars, most of us can barely afford them.

>>212102685
The rare enlightened American.

>>212102352
You are sitting in a metal seat the shape of dick and balls pumping your legs up and down on it.

The average normie here doesn't know what this is

>>212102986
Every time you shift gears in your car you are practising giving handjobs to your future gay lover.

>>212102685
oi, that sort of speech is treason in burgerland

>>212102278 (OP)
no he lost a lot of credibility when we found out he gave up and moved to the Netherlands instead of helping us try to change North America back into a place for Europeans.

>>212102876
I'm one of the fortunate few who live within a comfortable walking distance of a grocery store without having to cross any dangerous roads. And to top it all off I live in a small, mostly unwalkable town and not a city; so it's more of a happy accident than anything.
Most of us don't have that option. Cars are more of a necessity than anything. It's not just the infrastructure being unfavorable for walking or biking, it's also how spaced apart everything is. Residential and commercial are kept separate and they're divided by busy roads and highways and long distances apart. So for anyone to go without a car and just walk or bike they'd have to put up with long distances and unsafe conditions unless they live in the few walkable cities/towns or a walkable part of an otherwise unwalkable city/town.
It'd be a huge effort to restructure the entirety of the country's infrastructure and revamp its zoning laws and such to make it walkable again and would take years of coordinated efforts and action, but that's what happened with cars. The automotive industry got us to tear everything down and center all of our urban planning and infrastructure around the assumption that everyone will have a personal vehicle.
But that's part of what got us fat and unhealthy, and is economically and ecologically unsustainable and costing Americans too much so it's gotta happen some time. Hell even driving would be made better by giving people other options. More people on buses, trains, and bikes, and their own two feet would make driving a lot better of an experience with much less traffic.

>oypilled a whole genera-ACK!

>sunny evening
>cycling home along the river
>girl with a thick ass is right ahead of me in the bike lane, high saddle so I have an excellent view
>and she's wearing sheer tights
>get a good 10 minutes staring at it as much as I like before she takes a turn

is there a car equivalent of this?

>>212103111
you can't fix it

>>212102685
this

>>212103215
I can't because I'm one man, we need a leader who stands at the front of our movement and our ideal candidate abandoned us.

>>212103120
I agree with with everything you said and I can also relate because I live in a small shithole town too. I spend 2 hours commuting with my car every day, I could take the bus but then my commute would take twice as long because the buses are slow and the routes are inefficient.

Funniest of all is that we had a railway in this town but they demolished it in 1954 because "cars were the future", now they are investigating the possibility of building it again.
This short-sightedness is enough to drive me crazy sometimes.

How fat and unhealthy car dependant communities are is not talked about enough, my car dependant shithole down is 1,5 hours away from Copenhagen, the people there are overwhelmingly fit and beautiful. My town? Fat fucking beer bellies everywhere, double chins and people start walking with a limp when they turn 50.

>>212103111
America is so irreparably fucked, the entire country west of new England has insane unworkable infrastructure (huge wide roads, massively spaced out housing, etc)
fixing it would be a multiple decade, likely multi-trillion dollar project.
And anyway, he does. he does more for good town planning advocacy than most people.

anything besides walking and rail is gay
fuck bikes fuck cars fuck buses

>>212103369
if trains weren't so fucking expensive i would be taking the train only already.

>>212103369
what's wrong with bikes

>>212103410
trains in asia are dirt cheap

>>212103522
he doesnt know how to ride one

>>212103522
you need separate infrastructure for bikes or else they interfere with pedestrians. Pedestrian only zones are much cozier and more aesthetic

I already have to be social AT work. Why would I want to be crammed into a tight chamber full of strangers on the WAY to work?

>>212103641
What?.. you read a book, listen to music or other stuff. Nobody is socialising on a train/bus.

Except some gypsie or nafri is doing le associal dindus.

all this autism is so weird im convinced it's a deliberate psyop, i didn't hear about it until everyone had time to waste during covid and started whining about le walkable cities

who cares? about any of this? it's all so exaggerated on all ends, sure amerifats drive everywhere but so what if thats what they want? and euromutts like bikes and trains, again so? does any of it really matter? do people really believe that their or anyone elses lives are really that affected by how they get places? neither building more overpasses or more bike lanes will do anything to change extinction-level white birth rates which is really ultimately the only actual problem the modern world faces, not fucking trains or whatever

>>212103741
The presence of others is a psychological burden I would rather avoid.

>>212103641
>Me? I'm an INTROVERT! That means that social interaction DRAINS my energy instead of INCREASING it like it does with extroverts. I just need a quiet night in and a movie to recharge!

>>212103741
nah his argument is the most logical argument against mass public transport. There's niggers everywhere over here who can and will cause problems and bother you. If you're on an east-asian train with nothing but japs or koreans then that's a different story obviously.

But that's the only actual reasonable argument for car-centric infrastructure

>>212102278 (OP)
Think you mean redpilled

>>212103641
I never talk to randos on busses or trains
Sometimes while waiting for a bus an old person will start talking with me, so that's the exception I guess
>>212103809
Bikes and trains take up less space than cars, which means more space is left over for other stuff
And then there's the whole climate change thing with bikes and trains being better for the environment, but I understand that this is /int/ so I'll get called soy just for bringing that up

>>212103809
it's not what Americans want it's what we were forced to inherit. and now people are used to using a luxury item as a daily commuter so you can't persuade them otherwise. cars should be reserved for family vacations or emergency hospital trips, you should not have to use something every single day that depends on third party fuel being purchased.

>>212103809
proper infrastructure can absolutely play a role in birth rates. imagine if you could move somewhere cheaper and still be able to commute to work effortlessly. instead most people are stuck inside high col cities. also, cars take up an insane amount of space which just further exacerbates the cost of living

>>212103857
gem

>>212103865
Even this is dumb because if you have this little faith in your countrymen, that needs to be fixed anyway rather than avoided forever
The best argument for cars is from people who live in rural areas, where it wouldn't make sense to build public transportation and where distances are too long for biking/walking

>>212104011
>rural areas
America used to have the most extensive and efficient rail system in the world by a large margin. Even a lot of small little towns were connected. We had twice as many miles of railroad track in total in 1916 as we do now

There is nothing more soi than hating suburbia.

>>212104124
Cool, do you think you could realistically meet people's day-to-day needs without cars if they live in the middle of nowhere?
I'm talking RURAL rural btw, not suburbs

>>212103060
Kek, Americans can't drive stick.

>>212104211
the suburbs are absolutely overflowing with soft people pretending to be tough.

>>212102352
>puckposting

>>212103166
Fucking a hitchhiker I guess

>>212103896
america has a massive amount of land, it's just not an issue for them, there is no need to be super efficient with space, also "environment" is a complete non issue that everyone is exhausted of, im not gonna blast you as soy but it's just not true, particularly with the world population set to decline as it is, and especially when they only people who actually care about the environment, whites, being the main ones declining

>>212103914
again, no one cares, there's no need to be so efficient with money in a prosperous nation, you act like americans spend half their income on cars, they don't, plenty of americans drive cheap reliable cars, corolla is the best selling car of all time, fuel efficient etc, sure a lot of americans like big ass trucks but americans also move every few years just for the hell of it, wouldn't it be more efficient to just live in one place your whole life? americans don't care, they like moving around, they like driving air conditioned cars

>>212103929
the complete opposite of what you just said is the actual truth, europe is the capital of walkable cities and has the lowest birth rates. walkability has absolutely nothing to do with birth rates

>>212102685
reported to ICE for subversive thinking

fags

>>212104359

>>212104451
>plenty of americans drive cheap reliable cars,
you just destroyed your own argument. people look for the longest running used cars they can find because you absolutely will be paying half your income if you buy a new one. I also don't know anyone who has moved more than once or twice, stop watching house flipping shows.

>>212104901
what are you talking about? my point is that cars can be cheap as well as expensive, like anything else. the median monthly income in the usa is like $5k while the median car payment is around $500, that's only 10%, not half

>>212104451
>america has a massive amount of land
In total sure, but in cities (where most people live) land is a limited resource and should be used in a smarter way
>particularly with the world population set to decline
Even if the global population stalled where it is now, pollution would keep happening in a scale that's untenable
>when they only people who actually care about the environment, whites, being the main ones declining
I don't buy the idea this is a white people thing when a lot of 3rd world countries seem to be taking this more seriously than the west. What really determines whether people care about climate change is a mix of self-interest, economic status and education.
Pretty much every country in the world recognizes climate change is real, and then there's a few (like America) that like to sometimes pretend like they don't even if they really do. Older politicians who'll be dead in 10 years and sociopath billionaires have no interest in addressing climate change because doing it would be difficult and potentially cut into their profits, so if you can maintain climate change as a culture war topic through propaganda, good!

>>212104451
>the complete opposite of what you just said is the actual truth, europe is the capital of walkable cities and has the lowest birth rates. walkability has absolutely nothing to do with birth rates
yeah because we're all forced to live inside expensive walkable cities since rural areas have fuck all infrastructure

>>212104988
vast majority of people buy used so payment stats are completely irrelevant. in a truly prosperous nation, vehicles for prosperous people would be the most common. not the option that gives you the best value for money.

>>212105073
americans can build cities wherever they want, no one is chained to a given metro area, in indianapolis, they just built carmel to the north and it has it's own city center, business district, shopping centers etc all separate from indianapolis even though it's right next to it; except for certain places like nyc or la/sanfran, most americans do not live anywhere they would need to travel longer than like 45 minutes each way to get to work, euros think sprawl means people drive 3 hours from distant suburbs to get to work in the city center, no they just build new city centers when distance becomes a problem.

and living density and cars are just one aspect of the environment, why get autistic about that when it would make more sense to get autistic about nuclear energy or ev's or any of the other million things that would improve emissions other than everyone riding a bike?

>>212105207
europe is the best example on earth of the walkable city meme and yet when that problem is solved you just go "uhh we're all forced to live in expensive cities anyway haha" well it doesn't sound like walkable infrastructure was really the problem, was it?

>>212105210
it's all relative isn't it? what americans consider a cheap car might already be a luxury vehicle in a poorer nation? cars were already status symbols which is why america is dominated by them, because they're prosperous, and the median is just the median, half of americans both earn more and spend more on luxuries than the median

>>212105672
I don't think walkable cities would fix birthrates since birthrates are falling so much pretty much everywhere all at once
I think it helps that people walk in everyday life (stay healthier) and maybe have more opportunities to meet people and socialize

The YouTube autists are wrong on trends again. There is a big early 2000s revival, people are already starting to romanticize the 90s and early 2000s era McMansions and people have been moving to the suburbs already.

>>212103809
its just obnoxious internet autists that spend 15 hours on the internet spamming shit. same with troons and left wing people in general. they have this idea that if they are obnoxious enough they can enact social change. i mean they even tried forcing people to find obese women attractive. they are all deranged lunatics

>>212102278 (OP)
He has a lot of good points but it's a model that only works if basically everyone is rich. Could be cool in the future when basically everyone is rich.

>>212105672
>what americans consider a cheap car might already be a luxury vehicle in a poorer nation?
the point is that people buy a used Corolla because they have to, not because they want to. this means that the average American literally cannot afford a car, they have to rely on the goodwill of other people who could just as easily scrap it or give it to a young family member.

>>212103809
Why would I care about living a better, healthier, and happier life? Sounds pretty gay anyway.

>>212106299
left is mostly tourist trap with airbnbs and right is where people actually live

I don't get why Americans just don't ditch cars, I live in Bergen and even in winter we don't need car. I just use the bus or walk.

>>212106192
>they have this idea that if they are obnoxious enough they can enact social change.
You are literally just describing political advocacy, the alternative is enacting social change through some kind of violence

>>212106421
no the alternative is not being a miserable loser and finding interests, building relationships, etc. people spamming political shit on the internet are miserable retards who have given up on life completely

>>212102685
How am I supposed to go where I want when I want? I went to see someome at 4 am yesterday 2h away from my house, should I have taken the bus maybe?
You speak about breaking from the comfort zone but carless equals urbanite equals sedentary in the city. You never leave your comfort zone unless it's a bus to another city center for a prog rock show

>>212106485
>no the alternative is not being a miserable loser and finding interests, building relationships, etc.
He is already that as finnish they have favorite hobby and thing to do called killing them self because so bad at life.

>>212103144
i'm one who reposts this monthly, but yeah, grim stuff. a school next to a road with no sidewalks and bike lanes, and a 30 minutes wait in traffic to get your kid, amazing
i did the 5 minute walk to and from my house to school, and the 5-10 minute walk from my dorm to uni.

>>212103809
The psyop is framing it as americans vs euros when it's city vs suburban / rural life.
I genuinely don't know ANYONE without a car who isn't an inmigrant or an urbanite.

>>212106299
>nobody lives there
Why don't the tourist flock to the suburbs when they are so much nicer?

>>212106485
Miserable retards spamming politics on the internet includes a lot of people with a lot of different political affiliations, you're just upset when you see leftists be obnoxious because you're not a leftist
There is no deeper reason for this, you're just upsetty

>>212106608
Because that's where people live in the privacy of their homes which aren't shoebox sized flats shared with an inmigrant family of five.
What is there to see there?

>>212105865
if there were 2 billion finns instead of 2 billion pajeets the world would be a much, much better place

>>212106192
agreed

>>212106231
the corolla is the most sold new car, not the most sold used car (though it probably is by sheer numbers), you think everyone is driving a beat up used corolla when in truth everyone is driving a nice new corolla, which although relatively cheaper and fuel efficient, is not THE cheapest nor most fuel efficient in america and certainly not the world. you really think all americans HAVE to drive $50k cars or else they're not prosperous? americans certainly drive the most luxury cars of anywhere in the world AND they do it as a median i bet (most people are driving the nicest cars out of any other "most" group anywhere)

>>212106299
eurostan has the same if not worse mental health and suicide stats as america, again nothing to do with walkable whatever

>>212106590
yeah that's the other thing, why do most euros have a car if they can walk everywhere? almost like people prefer having cars

>>212106388
I don't think I would be able to do what I want to do without a car. A lot of the time I'm just driving downtown, parking in the town parking garage, and buying small things like groceries. I know I can just walk downtown in about 40 to 45 minutes but I feel awkward carrying around groceries from a previous purchase into a new store. I like using the trunk of my car to safely contain stuff while I go into another shop to browse. I will say that when I'm just going to one store about a mile away, a 15 minute walk, I have bought some boards and walked home.

>>212102278 (OP)
deport him back to canada

>>212106710
America is not that big my country is like as big as west coast and we have no problem with transportation here. You would be amazed if you get good at walking how far you can go. You could probably hike from LA to Texas after a bit of training but you are stuck in fat car.

>>212103809
do you want me to post a pic of ghent train station? fat bastard. students go from A to B without needing a 2 ton vehicle and can put their bike everywhere
>oy vey leg exercicse, communism!!!
>*dies of a heart attack*

>>212106681
I didn't say used cars were beat up, I've bought one myself that looked new from the outside. but if you have to rely on a secondhand market for something so exceedingly necessary, you have a problem. maybe if Americans would get the fuck over their childish prejudices against small hatchback vehicles then this wouldn't actually be a problem, but it is.

>>212106838
>just walk the whole length of norway bro it's not a big deal
why do you hate cars so much

Wait I thought soy was filtered

>>212106916
We passed peak soy and now we earned the privilege of using the word again but don't spam it

this confused and enrages the amerimutt

>>212106897
>why do you hate cars so much
because they are loud and annyoing taxi very expensive as well when we could just use a bus. I can not here electic cars in the morning after bar but can see a bus or train, cars are basically a weapon in the wrong hands of people. Walking is good because it is free and makes you not fat.

Why are you fat?

>>212106965
Yeah I think we're going back to based in like 2 weeks

>>212102278 (OP)
fuck vroomers

>>212106838
I live in the San Francisco Bay Area, transportation here has its limits. In stages I've walked from Santa Rosa to San Francisco. I've taken a local train from my home to other places in Sonoma and Marin. But sometimes you need to go places the train doesn't run to.

And if I want to go from Sonoma to Sacramento it's much easier to go by car. Taking public transportation would take me 4 hours. 2.5 hours on a bus just to take me to the train, then 1.5 hours on the train itself to take me to the destination. By contrast it's just 2 hours by car, 3 if there's heavy traffic.

>>212106967
They don't have XXL cup holders and space for mobility scooters.
>>212106897
Cars are cool if you can afford to drive one.
Cars suck if you have to drive one.

>>212107105
Absolutely bodied that timmyclitty freak

>>212104359
I remember seeing her ig a few years ago, back then it looked like she was still serious about becoming a pro. Guess not.

>>212107216
they're both white, Abdul.

>>212107281
Not as white as me.

>>212107105
beautiful

>>212106681
>yeah that's the other thing, why do most euros have a car if they can walk everywhere? almost like people prefer having cars
Blue on blue cuh I'm trying to say that literally all fucking euros except for underages, muzzies and city centrefags are daily drivers
Carless walkfriends are a minority

>>212102352
uh no walking is lol

NJB is a cringe lefty with an even cringier lefty audience. The type of lefties who deny crime is a real problem. Everyone go watch Fourth Place. He's an urbanism channel who lives in reality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39E8ijgylsE

>>212106620
No, Zoomer left wingers are mostly self-righteous retards who make content for their ideological echo chambers. Right wingers aren't better but it's a more obvious kind of retardation. I get what he's talking about.

>>212103144
Oddly pleasant. Almost hypnotic.

>>212107225
she was never serious about pro cycling that was a facade for her instagram so she didn't have to admit being an ewhore

>>212102278 (OP)
i heard people in münster like bikes

don't be deceived though, most people here like to drive cars, families typically have two unless it's a traditional family

Everyone who love walkable cities is either poor or a pussy who's afraid of driving. I <3 my car.

>>212116417
there are rich people in amsterdam tho

>>212116488
then they're pussies who are afraid of driving

>>212116516
Most rich people, even middle class, in Amsterdam own a car and park like this. Americans are too pussy to park like this.

>>212116619
dutchman, I kneel

>>212117246
i kneel too

all the conventional, car centric malls, car centric cities are now for poorfag here in Jabodetabek. Zoomers don't even drive here, because they live with their parents.

>>212103111
>>212103215
Instead of trying to make a single family suburb walkable somehow, urbanists should chose a old depopulated east coast city with "good bones" and mass migrate. not only would reimplementing public transport be much easier, but they would have more political power than in a suburb full of boomers concerned about theirs home value.