>>212143308 (OP)
>deson't want to that 5%
doesn't want to pay

>>212143308 (OP)
we need to defend the baltic states though

this is why the US will support morocco over you, which is bad for both of us
fucking retarded manolos

>>212143401
Sorry buddy but we'll always support Morocco because they're our oldest ally

>>212143401
can you explain the beef between argelia and morocco to me? I know argelians support western sahara

sorry chud, that money NEEDS to go to africans and whores for the politicians

Spanish niggas will make contribute the 5% but spend it all on fruity outfits

>>212143308 (OP)
Most western EU members don't want to either but didn't want to be singled out like Pedro Pedro Pedro and instead went "yeah sure we'll be paying 5% wink wink ;)"

>>212143525
SOUL

most based eu politician and no chud sperging out can tell me otherwise. absolute chad and king

>>212143444
we just wanna keep them down desu, last time they felt strong (immediately after our independence when we had no established army) they attacked to try and take our clay

>>212143308 (OP)
This is the only governing politician I respect in Europe

>>212143557
>>212143753
you're ignorant and clueless

>>212143548
Leftists here just hate the army and that's mostly why they don't want to increase the budget

>>212143796
Tu eres un chuddo pajero, sin embargo

>>212143986
Sí

>>212143918
5% of gdp is a crazy amount and would require cutbacks for social welfare, health, education. I think 3% of gdp should be enough.

>>212144041
of what good are social welfare, health, education if your country get's blown the fuck up

>>212144041
They agreed on 3,5% on "real" defence and 1,5% on infrastructure, whatever that means. I think if you stretch enough you could include things like energy infrastructure, roads, railways and arms factories.
But still Spain spends like 1,2% total kek. I hope military planners from eastern europe already assume that Spain, Portugal, Italy and benelux will be completely useless in any war, otherwise we could be caught waiting for help that never arrives

>>212143753
He has unironically 5 corruption cases open, he is like a mafia boss and he uses circumstances like Palestine/Gaza to gain sympathy from the most extremist crowd who will defend him blindlly no matter what and claim he is being politically persecuted because of this

the 5 cases, just so you don't think I'm exaggerating:
>Caso Koldo/Ábalos
>Caso Fontanera/Leire Díez
>Caso Santos Cerdán
>Caso Begoña Gómez (his wife)
>Caso David Sánchez (his brother)

In leaked messages it is implied he was known as "the number 1" of this whole mafia network. The "Caso Santos Cerdán" case directly proved he literally cheated on the primaries of his own party (PSOE/Socialist Party)

>>212144108
But spending too much on the military and not enough on education and infrastructure will slow gdp growth in the long term, spending 3% of a larger gdp on the military is better than spending 5% of a smaller gdp

>>212143525
>>212143551
my colonized ancestors were so lucky

>>212143308 (OP)
Based. It is the same story all over again: keep the EU indebted and shit. Other NATO countries like Germany are currently in no position to increase their spending to a fucking 5% of GDP, but as always let's keep throwing shit at those lazy Spaniards.

>>212144260
Btw, this is just an extension of all the corrupt "Foro de Sao Paulo" network, which is like a LatAm/Spanish "socialist" political mafia intertwined with the Cartels and the Cuban and Venezuelan governments. It even implicates our prior socialist president, who for some fucking reason at all is now the owner of a literal GOLD MINE (i'm not making this up) in Venezuela.

>>212144358
Germany of all countries has plenty of fiscal space, it's a purely political and/or social issue. Euros think defence is someone else's problem, we need 15th pension and 30th gibs program

>>212143401
They only thing worse than being an enemy of USA, is to be a friend of USA.

>>212144421
EU leaders want to spend an EXTRA $500 billion on defence every year, how is the EU going to afford that?

This is the royal prerogative in order to be part of the hegemonic imperialist capitalist alliance. You can't negotiate with the Kingship. The social democrats will fail under the pressure of economic retaliation from USA. Only the working class is able to confront imperialism.

>>212144260
>he is like a mafia boss
That is why we respect him

>>212144510
>EXTRA $500 billion on defence every year
You made that up, it's more like 500 bn over the next 10 years which would be a tiny % of EU GDP

>>212144565
i'd worry more about the imperialism the cartel have over your country

>>212144569
At least you know what's up I guess, but it's not going to end well for him. The worst people are the ones who defend him just because he is a "socialist" despite his corruption.

>>212144421
>Euros think defence is someone else's problem, we need 15th pension and 30th gibs program
There's a long way between spending fucking 5% of GDP in NATO and spending nothing at all. This is all a temper tantrum from a senile old man (the co-author of the Art of the Deal at that) but hey don't even contemplate negotiating with him on this matter or even forming our own European army and making military deals with multiple countries to maintain our sovereignty without trusting a single hegemon who doesn't even respect us.

>>212143308 (OP)
How is this guy still the Prime Minister

>>212144864
in Spain the concept of "resigning" doesn't exist

>>212144864
He is sustained by a network of corruption, media control and all the votes from the people in welfare and the boomers who see politics as a sports match where you go with your team no matter what. If only young people voted the biggest party in Spain would be Vox (far-right).

>>212144864
We don't give a fuck and we still voting to parties which should've been illegalized long ago.

>>212145049

>>212145056
vox is not far right thoughevermore, it's just normal right

>>212143308 (OP)
no one is going to pay 5%, its going to be all accounting tricks

>>212144842
The 5% figure is to please the senile old man and make him fuck off, it's more like 3,5%, which is still high but not astronomically so, the 1,5% is auxiliary.
>forming our own European army
EU members can barely agree on what day of the week it is, forming a unified army is about as credible and realistic as Burundi launching a space mission to colonize Mars.
>making military deals with multiple countries
Idk about you but we're already doing that, we're dealing with US, EU and also South Korea, Turkey, Britain, Japan, etc.

>>212144421
>Euros think defence is someone else's problem,
i mean its definitely not spains problem lol
its actually only baltics/polands problem

>>212145500
we have morocco

>>212145613
just send them back. ez

what does it actually mean in practice to spend 5% of GDP? like does it count when we buy american weapons? is that the goal? just putting money in the american military–industrial complex? does spending money in consultancy that ask 5M to tell you "yep you need more submarines" count towards the 5%?

>>212143525
lmao wtf

>>212146521
It means creative accounting where suddenly the road you want to renovate or build gets "military importance" so it contributes towards military spending. Or something like this

>>212143308 (OP)
I remember when asspaniards made fun of us when Trump was bullying Latin America thinking they were safe from ridicule because they are in Europe
>no senooor we iz white and first world

I tried telling them that angloids view all Hispanics as subhumans and we should form a common front
But no, the spainsissies kept thinking they would be accepted

Now they get fucked

>>212146937
we have nothing to do with you delusional panchoid

>>212143308 (OP)
He's lying, again

Translation:
>Meloni laughs while speaking about Sánchez's position in NATO: "He signed the same document we did"

>"I officially state that we did as Spain did or that Spain did as we did, I don't know, but the 32 of us did the same thing"

>>212146973
True, you are the most effeminate and weakling country in Europe, in fact calling you European is already too generous for you

>>212143753
You have no fucking idea what you're talking about
The dude needs to face the wall

>>212147158
>conquered by the most effeminate and weakling country in Europe
must be humiliating for you, no wonder you have such a complex

>>212144507
>They only thing worse than being an enemy of USA, is to be a friend of USA or something
Betrayal in this instance being footing EU defense over another half century,30 years after the collapse of the USSR

>>212146937
>>212147158
Panchitada histórica.

>>212147289
Conquistadors were Sephardic Jews and moors, ethnic Spaniards were too chucked to set sail

>>212147451
>t.Sheinbaum

>>212147451
is this the best cope you can come up with? lol

>>212145853
this meme is dumb
what order am I supposed to be reading this shit in?

>>212147922
It shows the cash-flows in an appropriate order, what do you mean

>>212147922
Left-to-right.

>>212148141
>>212148053
>hey do you want gibraltar back also money?
>yes of course here you go
either this was written by an ESL or some thirdy that can't format for shit

>>212144260
You know who else were corrupt? The Scipio brothers, and they saved the Roman Republic against Carthage. #stillteamPedro

>>212148229
It was made by a Britisher, saar. Pls understand.