Surely there is a more efficient system to allocate resources effectively than having a massive predatory financial services system that only benefits a small select few iyc?

>>212203847 (OP)
only if it can stand the test of the economic calculation problem.

>>212203954
Why can't we have an economy where production is carried out ''on demand'', that would solve the economic calculation problem because you know what you need to produce beforehand. Like let's say John wants a pair of red shoes, he goes online and sends his request, the central planners get John request and produce the red shoes, no guessing, no wasting, no calculation problem

>>212203954
>Price something incorrectly
>Get shot
Problem solved

>Surely there is a more efficient system to allocate resources effectively than having a massive predatory financial services system that only benefits a small select few iyc?
Apparently not, judging by the facebook boomer meme you posted.

I'd rather stay living in AMERICA, where at least I have the freedom to lose my foot to the 'betus and eat myself into an early grave.

>>212204052
>doesn't have anything to check whether a price is set correctly or incorrectly

>>212204132
>Just price match everything on Amazon

>>212204027
the planners know john has no other options so they make shit shoes, overpriced and takes half a year to do so and when he gets them the size are wrong because they standardized to one size to reduce cost.

>>212204027
Because Johh's shoes would've costed 20x the same pair would do if it were churned out in a factory that does this on the assumption that 'a good chunk of the market wants red shoes of size X'
Have you ever worked at or at least seen how a factory operates? What do you think happens when every product is put into the line as an 'on demand' request?

>>212204027
I want shoes in every color and I want a helicopter

>>212204027
"on demand"
people want all kinds of shit and that shit can be produced with all kinds of shit.
John wants a par of red shoes? how many? made of what material? in which factory? using which tools? why should this have priority over martin's desire to have something else that could make use of some of the same productive resources that John's request may necessitate?
and this is for just a few items.
then again, John doesn't just want shoes, does he? he wants water, food, a house, a car, a jacket, a phone, porn, and so on and so forth. and that is true for all other humans.
even if the price information necessary to ascertain the best productive processes according to individual subjective preferences were available (which they aren't), unless you have a static economy (which you don't), you'd have to repeat all these calculations for every new consumer order.

also this >>212204330
(I'm amazed a norwegian could produce anti-socialist takes)
and this >>212204636

>>212204809
socialism as it works here is everyome is free to buy any shoes they want but if they for reasons cant afford it the welfare office will grant then a basic pair of shoes. they might be second hand, removed from the dead body of its previous user, stink of shit and piss but its shoes. dont like them? get a job.

>>212203847 (OP)
Back in the day, there was a village.
They had roughly 100 people. The entire village, even the youngsters, participated in some manner in fishing, raising animals, and planting/collecting crops. It was a good village. They didn't have Teslas or Lamborghinis or Porsches, they didn't have Dupont lighters, they didn't even have dentists, and life expectancy was around 40 years old. But you know what?

They had all they needed, and most of what they wanted. They had a community - one that fed every single one of them. If one was sick or injured, the village took care of them. What they consumed, they produced. Nature was their giver, and they cherished and respected it. Catching 5 fish in one day was enough for the fishermen, collecting a kilo of grains was enough for the women, and a lamb was born and ate every week.

The sun and the rain nurtured the soil, the plants, their vitamin-D rich and muscled bodies, and the night sang with them, not with pop music, but with simple instruments and lightness and celebration for life all around them. All was accounted for, and that's the environment they had been living for thousands of years. They had the time to think, to wonder, and to connect. I could go on but I'll end my rant here. We have this saying in my country - "for a good understander, half a word suffices"

You have to be extremely retarded to assume that there's no free lunch when food grows on trees... Each of us who participate in the rat race for billionaires to go on trips to space or to the bottom of the ocean deserve all the evil that we cause.

Here's an old picture of my dad who is rotting away alone.

>>212203847 (OP)
No. We are living in the best of worlds.
We just need to reduce taxes on the rich so the prosperity can trickle down

>>212204132
>>212203954
The markets

This problem is a non issue. All the economy is decided centrally today by one or two companies

>>212205873
any second now

>>212205798
thats the southern way of life, you had it easy.
here, growing season is less than half the year, so you need twice the land to grow enough for a year.
meaning you cant feed livestock and such close to home since you need every bit of land for crops so they must grass in the forest and mountains. and you cant really spare people to herd them so you send your 8 year old to do so. shoes doesnt exist, but you gave him a solid stick to fight off bear with.
the only suitable rock to make millstone with is 30km into the mountains, so every winter you and some others go there and break out a few by hand then drag them home on sleds in blizzards and freezing weather.
the only thing that never stops delivering is the sea but people drown in storms all the time and you are so tired of salted herring you womit just by the smell of it, but its better than starving. barely...

>>212206228
you didn't even miss the point, you never aimed at it in the first place.

>>212206450
point is, when nature gives you everything there is no need to industrialize or capitalize. when nature works against you it is. its a reason industrialization happend in the shit parts of the world not africa or amazonas. the rat race as you call it is just an attempt to make life better.

>>212203847 (OP)
Market Socialism

>>212203847 (OP)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributism