Just arrived in my ancestral homeland a couple of days ago because I'm attending a big concert soon. What can I expect?
What I've seen and experienced so far seems underwhelming to say the least.
The people I've met this far have almost all been super rude and even aggressive and everything seems just kind of gray and depressing, despite the sun and the heat. Also the prices are surprisingly high, I thought this was supposed to be a Mediterranean heaven with low prices and really chill natives?

>>212286026 (OP)
croatians speedran the mediterranean hellish tourist trap route in record time. rent a car and go to Bosnia while you still can.

>>212286026 (OP)
>Just arrived in my ancestral homeland
vrati se kuci
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRTWqJITuPQ

>>212286118
I plan on doing that after the show's done, my family is from Capljina (eightful Croatian clay btw)

>>212286026 (OP)
>travelling internationally to see Thompson
lmao
>What I've seen
If you're not going to say where you've been, what kind of feedback are you expecting?
>super rude and even aggressive
Yes.
>low prices
lmao

>>212286225
also do not tell people you are croatian, they will think you have some sort of mental illness (being american counts as one).

>>212286304
>travelling internationally to see Thompson
I'd travel across the seven seas to listen to this live
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JC97RKuT8G8

>>212286212
Aren't those Serbian flags in the video?
>>212286304
>If you're not going to say where you've been
The north mostly, mainly Zagreb but I also checked out Tudman's birthplace (Trgovisce), Varazdin and some other smaller border towns near Varazdin

>>212286406
>Aren't those Serbian flags in the video?
ma kakva ti je razlika, svi bosanci su isti

>>212286466
What do you even mean by that
>>212286369
>also do not tell people you are croatian, they will think you have some sort of mental illness
Why? They will probably think I'm a foreigner because I don't really speak Croatian, may as well tell them so they know

>>212286406
>Zagreb, Varazdin
>why aren't heat waves making dystopian Mitteleuropa feel nice
You need to go to the actual Mediterranean if you want the Mediterranean summer experience. It'll still be expensive and the waiters will be even ruder, though. I'm from the coast and live in Zagreb, and Zagreb is okay, but it's not a touristy place and my favorite spots are random neighbourhood cafes or straight up going to the mall. You can walk through Gradec/Kaptol in one day, maybe check out Medvedgrad, and that's it as far as historical/cultural sightseeing goes. In the summer the only time I'm outside is on the building - car - building relation. Zagreb is best in early spring. People aren't chill because they hate their lives.

>>212286707
All Bosnians are the same, no matter if they call themselves Croats, Serbs or Bosnjaks

>>212286026 (OP)
>The people I've met this far have almost all been super rude and even aggressive
they were all nice last time i went are you being a massively entitled prick or are you going during peak tourism months and they are sick of everyone

>>212286026 (OP)
You were supposed to stop at Albania, they're still cheap.

>>212286118
scarily true even back in the 2000's it was lowkey now fuck even qatar and dubai are coming to build shitty mosques

>>212287068
Nah they're just cunts, shit like honking in traffic all the fucking time and even rolling down their windows to scream at someone seems to be pretty common
>>212286776
>dystopian Mitteleuropa
I was led to believe it would be something similar to Germany or Austria but it's more like Romania or Russia or some shit
>People aren't chill because they hate their lives.
Why? What the hell is even happening here?

>>212286026 (OP)
when I go to croatia I will go as an american nevermind the fact that I'm only one generation off (parents are boths croats and it's my first language). being a foreign tourist is a child-like state and removes certain responsibilities from you.
>>212286304
>travelling internationally to see Thompson
I'm unironically planning on visiting zagreb for a weekend to see John Maus

>>212287244
>I was led to believe it would be something similar to Germany or Austria but it's more like Romania or Russia or some shit
kek it's crazy how much effort Balkaniggers put to gaslight everyone into thinking their respective countries should be grouped with those more developed countries

>>212287244
>Nah they're just cunts, shit like honking in traffic all the fucking time and even rolling down their windows to scream at someone seems to be pretty common
welcome to the Mediterranean did you expect

>>212287494
Slovenia should it was nicer then Austria when i went there

>>212287494
just give it time, pavle, so long as you don't import the third world you'll be there soon enough

>>212287244
>honking in traffic all the fucking time and even rolling down their windows
You're probably driving too slow. Gotta go fast in Zagreb, the only speed limit is the distance between you and the car in front of you, and you also need to keep that distance miniscule or the guy behind you will lose his shit. You gotta cut in, you gotta push out other people out of your lane. When you get used to Zagreb traffic and switch to Zadar traffic, you will lose your shit over how slow and passive it feels.
>similar to Germany or Austria
Visually, it is. Better don't visit those two either.
>What the hell is even happening here?
West-tier prices without West-tier salaries. Perpetually shitty government. Corruption scandals so common no one even cares anymore. Housing prices bad enough that singles shouldn't even attempt purchasing any type of a home. Nepali/Indian invasion. The economic advancement that did happen just ended up making people greedier and more bitter. People are going out of their financial means just to prove they're supposedly doing well. There's a term called "Croatian jal", it's a specific type of jealousy that a Croat feels only towards other Croats. Like if you have two Croats in Germany, they will hate it if the other guy is doing good. A good expression portraying Croatian mentality is "as long as the neighbour's cow dies", meaning that whatever misfortune strikes you, it's not so bad as long as your neighbour is also affected by it.

>>212286406
i thought you went to the sea but to be fair if you didnt like the best part of croatia no way you will like the worst.

unless youre just touristbrain and sea = heaven

>>212287697
be part for me was inland varazdin

>>212287694
Thats just Balkan pipo in general

>>212287697
There's literally nothing worth seeing in Croatia as a tourist more than 15 km away from the sea except for Plitvice.

>>212287809
Serboids are generally warmer and friendlier than Croats, though.

>>212287694
>Nepali/Indian invasion.
Yeah I was about to ask about that, there's just so many of them and they sure don't look like the regular gyppos, I thought something was up
I've seen this memed but I didn't believe it, what gives?
Also you don't make the natives seem all that good either
>>212287774
>be part for me was inland varazdin
The nature was nice, I was on the Drava river right next to Varazdin by the Hungarian/Slovenian border (I don't remember which one) and it was okay

>>212287774
i was kinda intrigued because most people just visit the coast and then either love it because muh weather and muh sea or hate it because its really just a backwater backwards barren wasteland.

nobody actually knows how 90% of croats live and that it looks more like slovakia than italy.

>>212287694
>Like if you have two Croats in Germany, they will hate it if the other guy is doing good
this weird, i've never experienced this with diasporoids either in the US or Germany. Maybe you're just a miserable zagreber? most of the croats I know are bosnian croats

is weird*

>>212287985
>bosnian
>croats
Pick one and only one

>>212287907
theres nothing worth seeing in Croatia as a tourist besides dubrovnik period.

people go here because we dont have high taxes on alcohol, our booze isnt shit, we actually serve meat, and we wont charge you for just sitting down at a table, unlike italy.

>>212288057
miserable zagreber it is

>>212288085
untrue, I love Istria, the people are very friendly, good wine, good truffles, the beach is okay and you have kino incelwalk trails, in fact foibe are pretty impressive, albeit a bit grim for me personally as a spaghettio.

>>212287934
>nobody actually knows how 90% of croats live and that it looks more like slovakia than italy.
That is extremely depressing. I was honestly expecting some blend of Germany, Italy and Greece as far as the aesthetics go. And, logically, people similar to Germans with a bit of Med influence

>>212287909
>Yeah I was about to ask about that
The regular "line gotta go up" metrics went up and Croatia started seeming more first worldy, so a lot of these "aggregator" companies spawned that deal with importing Indian, Nepalis and Filipinos over here. The way it works is that you're some poor Nepali, you see a poster of some new super cool EU country and promise of money and you go to sign up, but you first have to sell everything you own to pay the company for their "services" and then they ship you to Zagreb, stuff you in a house with 39 other Nepalis, tell you that you're now a delivery boy and your company signs a contract with one of the delivery companies that they will "borrow" their workers (you) to them for peanut money (a bit like slave trade). You get paid in peanuts, but you can't speak Croatian so you don't even know it's peanuts and you're unironically happy living in this misery because apparently Nepal is really really shit and if you live like an ant, you get to send couple of hundred euros to your family back in Nepal. It also drove out Croats out of delivery jobs, taxi driving and similar because it drove down the pay in these jobs.

>don't look like the regular gyppos
The local Gyppos are telling them to go back to India, kek.

>>212288226
>and you have kino incelwalk trails
TRVTH NVKE

>>212288226
Don't bother, it's an asspained contrarian Northie that will try convicing you that Zagorje is not an alcoholic shithole but real life Shire and that Dalmatian Croats are Catholic Serbs with Italian accents.

>>212288276
Christ, I was hoping I'd get some tips to improve my experience but it's starting to seem like I'm gonna regret ever coming here instead of just staying away and romanticizing it in my head forever

>>212288255
>And, logically, people similar to Germans with a bit of Med influence
are you american? croats are similar to czech people by the way they act. the people on the seaside are similar to bosnians/serbs. i honestly like czechs so idk. germans are usually rude and full of themselves imo.

>That is extremely depressing
what is depressing? People usually live in two story brick houses and lead pretty normal lives. The towns are just regular european towns what did you expect?They have their culture and people have fun.
>>212288226
yeah istria is nice, kinda like veneto. but i was talking about exceptionally unique and special things you can see only in Croatia and nowhere else.

>>212288426
just fly to dubrovnik from zagreb and call it a day. anyway youre from capljina which isnt croatia, herzegovnians are universally despised here and you visited the north that has genetically and linguistically absolutely no connection to any of your kin. your parents probably wouldnt understand a word spoken anywhere you visited.

>>212288418
>Dalmatian Croats are Catholic Serbs with Italian accents.
Da imaš pravo, zapravo su 75% katolički bosanci, 25% talijani, i 100% la raza monstruoza del turkoido

>>212288466
Veneto is like the bloated, metrosexual, and painfully flat version of Istria, FVG is more similar I would say, but I still like Istria more.

>>212288426
Where did you even go in Zagreb?

>>212288466
>what is depressing?
It's a letdown is what I'm saying
>>212288558
Yeah from what I've gathered you're probably from the north, which, as I've said in the OP, seems to be full of assholes and you're not helping that image
>>212288652
The hilly part with the old buildings, that looked okay but the rest of it is a hellhole

>>212288736
>The hilly part with the old buildings
Yeah, you can go in circles there in case you missed something. Sit down, drink something and that's it, the only way to enjoy Zagreb is to expect nothing. Swanky Bar in Ilica is nice. Savska street has a club called Vintage, it's chill, not nothing special. There's also Močvara if you want to stare at hot alt teens. Personally, I don't go anywhere that involves walking during summer heat.

Zagreb wasn't officially a city until the 19th century. It was secular Gradec and clerical Kaptol that are each on their own hill and were tiny fort-towns separated by a creek that occasionally killed each other. North Croatia was entirely irrelevant until Ottomans invaded and Venetians took the coast, which is where the actual historical core of Croatia was.

I liked the Tesla museum in Zagreb…

>>212288418
nta al vidis da nas ima vise koji bi se slozili

>>212288736
yeah im sorry but you really should visit mostar if you wanna get a feel for your ancestral land.

i came off as an asshole but that area is really completely different from what you saw. maybe you like it more. also you should visit dubrovnik in any case.

>>212286406
kek lik je od sih mesti prešel v trgovišče

>>212286026 (OP)
ubij se

>>212290074
I thought it would be somewhat homogenous, in the sense that all of Croatia and also Herzegovina would look and feel the same or very similar
>>212290644
Are you illiterate or is that Czech or something?>>212289171
Thanks anon, I'll ask around a bit
>>212289120
I see, interesting
Vintage looks pretty good, I might drop by for a couple of drinks

jebo me pas lik nemre proguglat 3 stvari o "svojoj" drzavi a vode ga mama i tata na tomsona
sve redom prave rvatine nema kaj

>>212291107
>>212290706
Why so antagonistic, what the fuck
What's wrong with you people? I expected nicer treatment from fellow Croats back home

>>212291255
You know how in American war movies some guy gets shot in the ass and is send back home while the rest of the guys keep fighting, or he comes back after a couple of months of resting, and then those who stayed give him shit when he comes back for "leaving"? It's like that with some Croats and diasporafags. They resent you because you didn't "earn it" by staying in the shithole. Plus, plenty of people hate Thompson.

>>212291957
It wasn't my choice, my parents left Capljina sometime during the war and I was born abroad

>>212292211
And the dude getting shot in those movies didn't get shot on purpose. It's not a logical emotion, some people are just like that.

>>212292211
at least you could learn something about the country, for example that it has multiple dialects, or its geography, language, traditions etc. that's what people like and respect. instead you're sucking tuđman's and thompson's dicks.

>>212292527
>instead you're sucking tuđman's and thompson's dicks.
Yeah I've heard that some places like Istria are full of commies, for example. Are you one of those?

>>212291957
>>212292319
This might just be a south slav thing because when I visited my ancestral homeland I didn't experience any extra hostility on account of me being a diasporafag.

>>212292559
i'm trying to explain to you how things work here, but no you insist on this faux patriotic bullshit which nobody will be impressed by. if you cared about your croatian heritage you'd know these things

>>212291255
>>212292211
>Herzegovinian "Croat"

>>212292757
I'm sure it happens with most shithole-ish places. Kinda like black people leaving the ghetto being called Uncle Tom.

>>212292757
>>212292319
>>212292862
I deliberately make a point out of making diasporafags who are visiting for the first time feel as unwelcome and as uncomfortable as possible, and the amount of roasting grows proportionally to their level of being unable to speak our language
Just so they don't forget they will never be one of us
Especially b*snian catholics who try and usurp the word "Croat" for themselves
Daddy moved to Canada and now you come back here and act like you own the place with his money? Well, someone has to teach you where you belong (in the trash)

>>212292862
Guess I just got lucky then I guess, or I did experience this type of hostility and it just flew over my head.

>>212292955
Not every diasporafag who comes here will experience it either, but posting on 4chan makes it way more likely.

>>212292916
Well thats good for you but I'm not Croatian or any breed of slav so I don't know why you replied to me

>>212292757
we have tons of respect to those that kept croatian identity alive like with traditions and folklore. this little homo knows shit about croatia and is going to see tomson lol

>>212293028
Doesn't matter, American tourists get the same treatment, regardless of their claimed heritage, as soon as I hear their accents
But they are mostly too stupid to insult, and will stand there wondering what a strange sense humour we have because others are laughing but they don't get what's funny (which is the exact thing that is funny)

>>212293101
True I do get the impression that this guy might be a faggot based on his posts which probably factored more into the hostility he received than him just being a diasporafag.

skoro sam popusio 6/10

>>212286406
Zagreb is prob not the best place to go to for tourism
>>212287694
>Visually, it is. Better don't visit those two either.
yea right lol. Slovenia has the right to say it looks like Austria or Germany, Croatia no.
>>212288255
Yeah, a good part of Croatia is really lame and is just a generic eastern european slopfest type of a country, however, the western side of the country should definitely be checked out before making any too harsh judgements.

>>212293449
kome hehe

>>212291107
kek kao da prvi put vidiš ponosnog lika iz dijaspore. Moja sestra od tetke je ultra chud žena, živi u Nemačkoj i ima dvoje dece koju tera u crkvu i na folklor i na gomilu drugih stvari da ne zaborave odakle su i to. Ta deca su sad male Srbende a nemaju ni najmanju ideju kako stvarno izgleda život u Srbiji niti mogu da sastave jednu rečenicu bez ubacivanja neke nemačke reči. Majke mi bolje je kad gastarbajteri samo puste da im se porodica potpuno integriše u novu državu i ćao, a ne ovo da im prosipaju bajke pa da prave nerealnu sliku o državi porekla kao da je obećana zemlja i posle se duboko razočaraju i ne prihvate ih kao svog ni tamo ni ovamo

>>212292916
Also based

>>212286026 (OP)
>>212293491
I just realized this is exactly like this one episode in the Sopranos where they go to Italy lmao

>>212287483
>being a foreign tourist is a child-like state and removes certain responsibilities from you.
this is the mentality that is destroying international tourism

>>212293491
>da prave nerealnu sliku o državi porekla kao da je obećana zemlja
Pa u pičku materinu valjda bi roditelji ostali tamo/ovdje da nam je svima skupa toliko jebeno dobro
Rekao sam sam sebi odavno, ako odem odavde i dogodi se da imam djecu učit će jezik države u kojoj su rođeni i engleski da ne budu nepismeni u inozemstvu, hrvatski ih ne bih učio da se ne vrate u kaljužu
Najbolje da im kažem da sam zapravo tipa Čeh ili Slovak ili neki kurac da niti ne znaju gdje i što je Balkan lmao

>>212287694
>A good expression portraying Croatian mentality is "as long as the neighbour's cow dies"
intradasting, we have the same saying but with a goat and it has the same meaning

>>212287694
>A good expression portraying Croatian mentality is "as long as the neighbour's cow dies", meaning that whatever misfortune strikes you, it's not so bad as long as your neighbour is also affected by it.
Literally how Russians view this world. Slavs truly are the subhumans of Europe, barely better than Albanians.

>>212293662
Mustafa pls go

>>212293619
Mogu i znat i treći jezik nije to baš toliko veliki problem naučit ih kad su mali s obzirom na to kako naš mozak se razvija kad smo u djetinstvu.

Malo da pričaju Hrvatski i učit ih tradicije nije loša stvar samo se treba predstaviti realistična slika svijeta i svega toga. Mislim da je malo šteta kad dijaspora likovi uopće nemaju nikakav osjećaj za kulturu svoje rodne zemlje no nije dobro ni pretjerivati i imati neku idealističnu sliku svoje rodne države ili previše se nekako tribalizirati u stranoj zemlji (npr ovdje muslimani što su malo poput paralelna kultura).

best thread on the log' atm

>>212293675
I'm Russki and my neighbors are mostly Balkanoids. There're quite a few Poles here for some reason too, no idea why they'd come to Cyprus.

>>212293723
>Mogu i znat i treći jezik
Ma da, bez daljnjega, pogotovo ako je njemački u pitanju jer vidim da je sve relevantniji a ja kao zadnji debil ne znam ništa od njega
>>212293748
>I'm Russki
My condolences, I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy

>>212293775
>My condolences
Right back at you, Balkanigger.
At least the Greeks are based, Bulgarians too I guess.

>>212293775
Ma neznam dosta je teško učit novi jezik kao odrasla osoba, to znam iz iskustva, pa ono nije to baš tvoje krivica. Također jebeš Njemačku

>>212293748
Жид знaчит. Пoнятнo

>>212293823
>jebeš Njemačku
Pa dobro ali uzmi u obzir Austriju i Švicu i Luksemburg npr
Objektivno najkorisniji jezik u Europi nakon jezika zemlje u kojoj živiš i engleskog

>>212293866
Oй вeй, фaггoт :DDDDDD

>>212291033
its far from that. theres a lot of diversity in the geography of the country. hilly and fertile in the north and west. mountainous, much harsher climate in the south inland, and med climate on the coast with extreme winds. very fertile and flat in the east (pannonian basin).

obviously these people lead very very different lives.

>>212295168
>obviously these people lead very very different lives.
Dalmatia: rob tourists and become a millionaire
Slavonia: escape to Germany and never come back
Northwest: drink yourself to death because you hate life (or sometimes just hang yourself if drinking takes too long)