Thread 212359293

>What language(s) are you learning?
>Share language learning experiences!
>Ask questions about your target language!
>Help people who want to learn a new language!
>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!
>Make frens!

Read the wiki:
https://4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_Wiki

Useful links:
>Free language‐learning book archive:
https://mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw
>Books on linguistics and language courses:
https://mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ
>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:
https://pastebin.com/ACEmVqua
>Torrents with more resources than you’ll ever need for 30 plus languages:
https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH
>List of trackers for most language‐learning packs:
https://files.catbox.moe/nmrn8x.txt
>Ukrainianon’s list of commercial courses from rutracker.org:
https://archive(dot)is/R2feT
>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec
>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by family
https://theswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/
>/lang/ inpoot torrents
https://rentry.org/inpoot
>Refold Anki decks
https://rentry.org/refold

FAQ:
>How do I learn a language? What is the best way to learn one? How should I improve on certain aspects?
Memorize words with Anki while reading and listening to content that's at your level (at your level = you can understand it, or you can make it understandable with tools)
>Should I learn lang Y so I can learn lang X?
No.
>What is the most useful language?
When in doubt, check the PLI:
https://www.kailchan.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Kai-Chan_Power-Language-Index-full-report_2016_v2.pdf
>What language should I learn?
German, Spanish, French, Russian and Japanese (in that order)

Old >>212285501

>>212359261
Yeah, they’re beasts of courses.

>>212359372
Are these the 1970s courses? Theres one for Mandarin Im going through at the minute. I like the old style.

>>212359372
It's definitely useful but I feel pretty retarded right now

I must learn Russian

>>212359425
What’s the Mandarin course? I use Defrancis Chinese for old style rigor and that’s 60s.

>>212359449
You'll feel like a genius once you've learned it, while others will feel like idiots for learning a lame language like French.

>>212359495
Look up FSI Standard Chinese a Modular Approcah. All the PDFs and audio files a free for download.

>>212359631
I also feel like an idiot for learning a lame language like French, but that one was forced on me

>>212359709
Thanks king.

>>212359631
This. Also keep in mind all the material would be covered intensely as a full time job for the intended reader, so take yourself a little less seriously than them and extract what you can efficiently.

What's lame about French?

>>212359984
The French speak it

>>212359984
They care a lot about pronunciation. They aren't social extroverts/friendly, but nowhere in Europe really is relative to America. Some sounds you make in French will sound strange or cringe to others. That's all I can think of. Otherwise, pretty goated language.

>>212359984
French culture and values

>>212359984
Ask anyone who's learned it why they feel so insecure about their intelligence that they have to desperately attempt to sound intellectual in their /lang/posts.

>>212359984
French subtitles are never accurate

>>212359984
It's not as good as Occitan

>>212359241
>i'd like some more baguette

>>212359984
Nothing, people often parade so-called “original” opinions, like hating the French, thinking modern art is lazy, claiming vegans are annoying, or disliking pineapple on pizza.

These "takes" rarely stem from genuine personal reflection. Instead, they echo the pseudo-intellectual, recycled tropes of internet subcultures.

In reality, many of these "contrarian" (lel) retards lack the creativity or courage to form opinions outside the echo chamber of the internet. They are too afraid to be lynched online, so they adopt anything they see online if it's repeated enough. Ask them what they think of the Simpsons, and they might reply, saying that the episodes after Season 10 are trash, it doesn't matter if they actually watched an episode or not. They saw it on memes, so it must be true.

For example, one of the replies to your question was "the French speak it," an incredibly pathetic attempt at "humor." This is the type of person you're asking for advice.

>>212360754
do u speak french?

>>212360754
>For example, one of the replies to your question was "the French speak it,"
You just don't get the French French-Canadian rivalry

>>212360754
Cope. Literally just talk to French people, on this board or elsewhere. There's only so many times you can see them defend the ban on paternity testing, the cheating, the pedophilia, the pervasive pseudoscience in psychology and medicine, the weirdly totalitarian language policy, the communist social policies - all from a position of unquestionable absolute superiority, invincibly ignorant, completely high on their own farts - before writing off the entire culture.

French is a language for talking to people who think they are better than you even though they have nothing to show for it. They have almost destroyed their own country, and in any multilingual country that has a French portion, that portion is worse than the rest.

Russanons, which video games have good Russian-language support? I'm looking for new language inputs and I think replaying games in my target language would be a good strategy. I'm already familiar with the Metro series but I wanted to see if there were other options.

>>212361126
Nope

>>212361155
One would assume such a rivalry would lead to more clever satire. Apperantly that's not the case

>>212361294
And how should these change my outlook on the French language? Your "argument" is just a bunch of stereotypes against French people.

Also Quebec is MUCH better than the rest of Canada, if you don't like it, you should give them independence instead of leeching off them.

FSI is a meme and the Arabic course was terrible for me, is it actually better in other languages?

>>212360281
You will never be Chinos husband

>>212361377
Never claimed to be clever
Je suis d'accord avec les Québécois, I only hate the French

>>212361377
The only productive Canadian provinces are Alberta, Ontario, and British Columbia. Quebec leeches off of them.

>>212361377
We subsidize Quebec with billions of dollars a year in "equalization payments" since they are poor as fuck.

>>212360754
i don't understand this trend where we hate france for no reason but it is funny

>>212361353
Here's a list of all games that have full Russian audio support on Steam:
https://steamdb.info/instantsearch/?refinementList%5BlanguagesAudio%5D%5B0%5D=Russian

I recommended going for story games like Cyberpunk 2077, Witcher 3, Deus Ex: Mankind Divided, Detroit: Become Human, Skyrim, etc.

>>212359293 (OP)
>polyglot fantasizing
So all "polyglots" lol

Poor francophones are kino though. I love Cajun music.
>And how should these change my outlook on the French language? Your "argument" is just a bunch of stereotypes against French people.
Besides poor anglo-franco-colonial banters, I agree with you here, you can't think of a language as separate from people and culture. Learning French means dealing with the French people. And they are fine.
>inb4 Nafris
They are all over Europe. Why only focus on France?
Hispanidad is usually even poorer than former colonies and French territories, and no one hates the Spaniards as much as the French. Everyone, especially Americans, love Brazil and Colombia, even though the number of murders, kidnappings, etc. is much higher, but alcohol is cheaper

>>212359984
Lots of idiomatic expressions, which means you you have to learn tons of them to understand everyday French

They took comprehensible Latin words and corrupted them down to a single vowel, meaning the entire language is just a bunch monosyllabic words

Because of this, almost everything sounds the same and the only way to actually understand what is being said is contextually

Over reliance on ‘de’

don't learn English

>>212362817
Too late

>>212359984
the fact that 90% of the speakers are literally africans

>>212361472
Why

>>212363000
theyre the best people among the francophones though

should i learn dutch

I've been wanting to learn Irish but it seems like a waste of time as I'd have nobody to converse with

>>212363844
>flag

>>212363860
We learn Irish in school but it isn't taught like a normal language, it's like 90% reading. Irish classes are hated by school kids here. They've done surveys and most people can barely speak the language after 13 years of school

were you gonna give it your all this year?
was this the year you wanted to reach fluency?
what happened? we have burned through half of 2025 already, what have you been doing?
just slacking away, making excuses like always?
stop embarrassing yourself.

>>212363920
fluency isn't real

>>212363920
What languages have YOU become fluent in so far, wise guy?

>>212363920
What's your TL?

Haters gon hate, still like French, but I think I'll quit learning the language. It's hard and I wonder if it's worth it for me. I'm also learning Spanish, and while I remember French better by ear (maybe I concentrate more), pronunciation is a nightmare. Italian and Japanese (also a language of homonyms, abbreviations and guessing from context) tempt me, and a potential migration would be easier to Germany. French sounds nice in movies and songs though.
>>212363000
Black people are in the US too. And in the Netherlands. And in the LatAm.
>>212362633
Valid points, but idiomatic language is used everywhere
>>212363791
Yes. Start learning quickly while you have the motivation. I once wanted to, but I wondered if I was sure, people said it sounds ugly, or maybe German is better etc. It took a few months, this fascination; seeing how simple the language is and similar to English I would probably speak fluently by then

>>212364446
Are you Jordanian

>>212364467
Yeah, he started using a VPN

Which language(s) should I learn whose native speakers would bend themselves backward and flip for me? Bonus points if they would do it literally

>>212364446
>Black people are in the US too. And in the Netherlands. And in the LatAm.
the vast majority of the US outside of cities is white

>>212364583
French

>>212364602
After reading other posts above, I highly doubt it

>>212364583
only white people get the soyface treatment

>>212364655
Lies, many youtubers who do the "SCHOCKING NATIVES WITH A1 ___" are swarthy af

>>212364583
vietnamese

>>212363920
I've read 3 books in german, so already matched my total for last year

>>212364583
Tamil.

>>212359984
Español es mejor que el francés

>>212364640
Spanish is better

>>212364655
then how come the most popular channel with that content is xiaomanyc?

>>212366243
all of those youtubers are cherrypicking the 1/100 responses. most people don't care period.

>>212366304
wasn't the point I was trying to make

>>212366243
Cause Ashkenazis are genetically European

>>212360754
>Modern art is lazy
I used to be a professional artist. Absolutely no one hates modern art more than actual artists. It's just a speculative monetary asset for the rich, it's not art.
>Vegans are annoying
This one has a point, vegans are generally intelligent, kind, and disciplined people (especially male vegans who are less likely to be vegan as a result of following fads)
>Pineapple on pizza
I love pineapple on pizza good contrast of sweet and savory
>Hating the french
They sound funny. It's the single ugliest sounding language on the planet. Death to anyone who thinks it sounds romantic

>>212363403
This is the only good reason for learning french (for use outside of france)

>>212364583
What language(s) should I learn whose cute native speakers would bend themselves over forward for me?

>>212364583
Czech/Slovak/Latvian

>>212367047
You already speak English, stud

jokes aside, I bet you'd have good luck with any of the southeastern Asian languages

>>212367061
i wouldnt know haha but i think if you learned a sea language to meet sea girls they'd probably latch onto you and try to drain your soul because they know that you're so desperate for pussy that'd you'd learn a shitty retard language just for sex

>>212367175
Well, you'd obviously have to put on some other veneer to disguise that fact. "Oh well you know I just find the history of *whatever local empire* fascinating and the culture here is so different from mine, etc etc.."

Of course when it comes to women who you can impress by pretending to be cultured you're probably just better off with something Nordic, way better quality girls.

I have realised that language learning is a meme and that one should only study 4 languages, no more

>>212367235
everything is a meme

>>212367235
That seems reasonable.
I mean trying to be more ambitious than that is asking for failure, too. At least in the short term. Plus gotta have time to do other shit

>>212367235
Korean, Japanese, Mandarin.

>>212367235
>that one should only study 4 languages
Which ones

>>212367647
english, mandarin, then whatever languages you'll find the most use of/like the most

why shouldn't I learn Finnish?

>>212367647
Irish gaelic, scottish gaelic, breton, welsh

>>212367780
All nords are stuck up assholes

>>212367647
French, Middle French, Old French
Old English, Middle English (technically counts if you're a native English speaker)
Old Icelandic, Icelandic, Norwegian, Danish and Swedish
Japanese, Classical Japanese, Japanese Kanbun
So that's three languages ultimately, I'm not ambitious enough for 4

Learned enough French to understand casual native content now, figure it's time to pick a new language to go for.
Should I roll with Swedish or Russian?
I am very interested in Russian culture but probably won't be able to reside there for a while now due to being a Giga-Anglo Devil in their eyes (Aus-UK-US triple citizen). Russia also has great literature, historiography, etc. I had a go at Russian flashcards in Anki and it's pretty fucking brutal though, absolutely no relation to any language I speak so of course learning even the most basic words is a monumentally hard climb for my 25 year old brain.
Swedish is obviously an 'easy' one, especially since I also learned German already, but my only connection to the culture is my dead grandfather and due to their small population their content availability is pretty shit.

>>212367383
this but actually unironically

>>212367849
are Finns nordic?

>>212367936
If your French is good enough to relax and consume the content you care about then study Russian
You don't seem to care that much about Swedish

>>212367994
I mean by my count yes (and they seem to think so) but there's probably some sort of complicated race-science argument that could disprove it

How much of the content you inpoot must you be able to easily understand?
I almost always look up something when im unfamiliar with it but sometimes if im in bed idk and watching something on tv I don't feel like looking up the definition

>>212368060
If I can follow along with the plot of a novel it's the bare minimum for me but it doesn't leave me that satisfied personally

>>212367996
I guess I undersold Swedish on my post, I really do like that country and would also be okay with living there, but yeah Russia just seems to have so much more because it also opens up Central Asia.
I guess Russian it will be then, Swedish can always be learnt later

Teach me how to look up femdom in your lang

>>212362246
>>212362268
>romaji
Do they really?

>>212364598
Isn't that also the case in France?

>>212367235
>only 4
Damn how will I ever choose ONLY 4 languages??

>>212368121
Seconding this, for French

>>212367970
I’m totally serious.

>>212368800
Politics outside /pol/ is prohibited!

>>212366904
lmao
here's your (You)

>>212368858
so are news, but that doesn't stop this retarded fucking board

bump

>>212359293 (OP)
>too much fantasising, not enough success
If you have this problem, you need a life that rewards you for success and punishes you for failure. Then everything will be easier. Most people are secretly terrible at working on anything for a long period of time without social/financial pressure or enjoying the process. Enjoying the process in language learning is kind of a meme because you need to put a lot of work in to reach a point where you can understand even the most basic things and then you need to be exposed to a lot of different uses of the language to get good at it.
>>212359984
There's nothing wrong with French. I just wish they would reform the spelling but it's not a big deal.

What are you reading? I will start コンビニ人間 (Convenience Store Woman) tonight.

>>212372057
I finished reading Thérèse Raquin today and I'm reading this now
What have you read so far and where do you place it difficulty wise? I'm a long way away from reading contemporary novels imo but I have コンビニ人間 downloaded

>>212372695
I've read a few short stories that I found on Tadoku, the Wizard of Oz and Mushoku Tensei (the first book). I've also tried a few webnovels but the stories aren't really attractive generally I found.
On Tadoku you can find simplified versions of real stories and not things made for learners which I don't like.
I still haven't started Convenience Store Woman but I wanted to try because some said it was easy. I'll see. I hope it's easier than Mushoku Tensei at least.

>>212368858
DAS IST STRENG VERBOTEN. HIER DARF MAN KEINE POLTIK POSTEN. HALTEN SIE SICH AN DIE REGELN BITTE

Turks and G*rmans really are kindred peoples

When I add a new card to my mining deck I write on the back the meaning in both Italian and English. Am I wasting time? Should I write the translation in just one language?

>>212359984
>My friend, I LOVE the savoir-vivre of the big city, it's so MAGNIFICENT, and I feel like my LUC BESSON FILMS! Come to my Haussmanian apartment (2000€ per month), it has a WIDE BALCONY! We can drink a Crémant de Loire or three, or read some Asterix comics! And my friend, my friend, MY FRIEND, we HAVE to go to the anticafé - listen to me, fine, it's a CAFE, where we gentlemen can eat COMTÉ CHEESE! BUT!!! It's also a COWORKING AREA, where we can work, without stupid children. Speaking of "children", Louise and I decided: Mahmoud is going to impregnate Louise. I'm happy with cooking haute cuisine for both of us. Goodbye my friend, I discovered a new artisan bakery, near the independent winemaker!

>>212359984
It's not old french

>>212372057
I am trying to finish Zeit zu Leben, Zeit zu Sterben. It's pretty good, but no where close to Nichts Neues im Westen. Maybe the ending will blow my mind. I'm sure it will depressing one way or another.

Diese Woche hab ich vor, Zeit zu Leben, Zeit zu Sterben fertig zu lesen. Bisher nicht schlecht aber es kann seinem berühmtesten Buch Nichts Neues Im Westen nicht das Wasser reichen. Vielleicht wird das Ende mich beeindrucken. So oder so gehe ich davon aus, dass es höchstdeprimierend zu Ende kommen wird.

>>212363907
An Irish friend of mine told me that they basically assume you already know the language and don't actually bother teaching grammar, how true is that?

>>212359293 (OP)
what's the accent? I think it's not the usual American accent, but I can't put a finger on it. He speaks English very fluently but It's far from the correct pronunciation that I think (it's kinda annoying)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oISvjo2mosY&t=166s

>>212374290
i dont know but i dont think you should watch them anyway

>>212373166
Chill mutt, I was just joking. You didn't have the chimp out because of it.

>>212374290
On his Instagram, he says he's a first-generation immigrant, so that's probably why. But he just seems like a shady trader trying to sell people his bullshit course or whatever.

I agree with the Aussie anon.

I like Spanish though

>>212374599
>Mutt

Ich bin purer bayerischer Abstammung.

>>212377215
Based :3