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>>212433932 (OP)
hmm thought it was Rhodesia

Just tell me which non-English speaking country's women have the largest natural tits, and I'll learn that language. I don't care about asses.

>>212434138
Israel

>>212434138
South Korea

>>212434205

>>212434090
well, why not?

Gonna watch japanese anime with wife 1 hr per day and mine 5 words per day

while doing an actual course textbook for korean and talking to Koreans I know IRL

while learning as many Chinese characters as possible

Long term goals are
1. Korean B2 spoken and C1 literacy for professional usage, I have business reasons, plus maximizing intensive study in this language bears maximal carryover to both Mandarin and Japanese, so it will minimize future study with them

2. Japanese B2 comprehension (not concerned with output) for media. I just like the sound of the language, the phonetics are ezpz and my wife is down to watch a shitload of anime with me everyday for the rest of our life. (Some time in Japan got me to A1 already)

3. Someday B2 Mandarin literacy (currently my most well known language but still practically a strong A1, gonna just come back to it later).

So Korean is strong formal focus on professional style proficiency for at least the next year or two, just gonna put the other two on the backburner by inpooting japanese for fun and occasionally shadowing compressed audio I created of my Chinese textbook. Essentially I’m only really focused on actually studying one language. Phonetic/vocab carryover from Korean to Mandarin is supposed to be huge since apparently 90% of Hanja based words are predictably derived from Hanzi readings, while the substantial vocab carryover from Korean to Japanese + the very structurally similar grammar maximizes carryover for longterm ability in all 3.

Still trying to be fluent in english and speak as close to how americans speak as possible. Been making consistent improvements over the past weeks and I feel like soon I'll be ready to practice actually talking with an american in order to get to the next level. Maybe get an online teacher and hopefully one day visit Disney or whatever and test my speech in person.

One day I'll make it

today is a good day to study CHINESE
I think I will

>>212434941
>speak as close to how americans speak as possible
Why? Having an accent in English is endearing.

>>212434941
The most important thing to not frustrate us, is to just avoid mumbling and try to enunciate somewhat clearly. Mumbling is just outright rude even when native English speakers do it but a lot of Latinos really struggle not to do it. Plus they put barely any effort to learn English pronunciation properly, so when a Mexican says something rapidly, quitely, and basically just mumbling english letters as if it was Spanish, it makes me want to deport all 100 million of them.

Basically, just relax and speak up, we really don’t mind accents at all here, so don’t be nervous to make mistakes as long as you don’t mumble.

>>212435656
you can mumble if your chad in America
you can't if you are poor brown and fat
remember this brazilianon

>>212435664
No. If you mumble and then act annoyed that I didn’t understand you I will think you’re a stupid arrogant spic even if you’re fully Iberian.

>>212435732
why'd anyone talk to u, a fat neckbeard living in his mum's basement
he meant obviously women

>kurdish and uyghur both added letters for writing short vowels in the arabic alphabet
based

>>212434941
Brazilian Portuguese accent is naturally close to an American accent

>>212435656
>>212435732
Uh, I get a little anxious even talking to the cashier when I go buy groceries, I'd probably mumble a bit if I were talking in english to an actual english speaking foreigner not out of arrogance but nervousness and fear of pronouncing things wrong and looking stupid.

>they put barely any effort to learn English pronunciation properly
I am putting a lot of effort in learning proper pronunciation in american english because I really enjoy learning english and I've made it a goal to speak as closely to a native speaker as an ESL possibly can.

>>212435620
>>212436922
Bros, have you heard our accent?

https://www.youtube.com/live/gTkZbh4SPRQ?si=aU72VnERhvlVrOb7&t=293

>>212437375
T bh I don't see the big deal. The only thing remotely offputting about his accent is how he stresses words that a native wouldn't, like corruption at 5:10 and 5:19.

>>212437375
Yeah natives mumble when they get nervous too. It’s just generally annoying.

>>212433932 (OP)
I learn every language at like 2-3x the normal speed with my methods. Except Korean, it's oppressively hard, literally taking me forever. could probably learn 5 european languages in the time it takes me to learn korean

>>212437375
His accent isn’t strong. Germans, Frogs, Spics and Russians have a much harder time

>>212433932 (OP)
does anyone have Rivstart (the new releases)

I learn Polish. It's quite cool

>>212438401
Describe your process

>>212440499
Diaspora?

>>212440562
I am not a Jew. I just find polish women cute and I am dating one currently and her extended family live in the boonies.

>>212440647
>boonies
Stamford Hill or Canvey?

>language has grammatical gender but not gendered pronouns

>>212440709
Small village in Poland xd

>>212440534
my usual method is just
>get a 1k frequency anki word deck with example sentences, go through all the words and do intensive reading of all the sentences to make sure I understand them. this usually only takes me like 2 weeks

>after that I read in the target language or watch videos with transcripts, using a click-to-translate add-on to quickly look up words I don't know. I also do this with songs until I can listen to the entire song and understand it

>play videogames ive already played before but switched to target language (mainly elder scrolls, minecraft, and text-based adventure games)

>use memory athlete word-association visualization mnemonics in combination with the above methods to memorize words more quickly

>also listen to lots of target-language audio in the background when doing other things, usually ~3 hours a day at least


Usually this is enough to quickly get me to a good enough understanding to where I can watch native-level media and follow. But korean breaks all my methods because the click-to-translate for looking up words doesn't work well with korean morphology and because the words change form so much that memorizing the base form isn't that helpful. I've been learning korean for months and still can't watch dramas or read books in real time

>>212440647
You don't need to speak polish, those polish whores in the yookay hate Poland and everything polish.

>>212442436
That's a lie. Every Pole I have met here is lovely and patriotic to Poland. They regularly go back there for extended holidays.
The ones born here only go on short trips to see their extended family - but they still love their polish identity from my experience anyway.

>>212442704
Yeah sure, they love Poland so much, they don't live there, and date foreigners.

I have decided to use my 'read the same author for thousands of pages' strategy again
I've done this with Jean-François Ménard, Georges Simenon and Maupassant
Now I will attempt it with Zola

>>212442815
Cope. Most moved away during soviet years or when your nation was poor. A lot will move back in older age.

>>212442868
I hope they won't move back. They should enjoy the diverse british society, instead of voting for it here.

>>212441218
How man langs have you done this for

>>212442980
Lol.

learn German

how the fuck do you select multiple lines of right to left text?

what's the best duo alternative if I am hell bent on using an app/website?

>>212444855
Lithium Reader

>>212433932 (OP)
>>212434403
Yeah that's Rhodesia. Death to niggers.

>>212434622
>mine 5 words per day
That would put you at 500 words after 100 days bro
You may want to double or triple that

>>212444691
schon erledigt

>>212445018
If a midwit can only get 5 / day to stick, then let them. It's still progress at the end of the day.

I'm learning Spanish. I've studied Spanish and French, but I couldn't do it. I'm thinking of adding German. I like it, and it is the most useful for me, maybe I won't mix German with Spanish as much as I mixed French, and the pronunciation seems easier. And I do understand case systems in general
PS I hate reggaeton so fucking much. Almost as much as I hate that shitty Eurotrap or whatever it's called. Litteraly a culture cancer

>>212445550
consider Occitan

>>212445550
Every cute latina I know is into reggaeton

>>212445569
Kino language desu. But I'm too old for that kind of experiments
>>212445704
Fuck me, then. I need to find a Latina / Spaniard into anime, rock music or retro in general

I am learning Japanese (and Chinese) for picrel
>https://www.eu-japan.eu/events/vulcanus-japan
Bros in 3 years I am going to Nihon to do my Masters's Thesis and it is going to be kino.

Anyone ever try studying an entire subject in their TL? I'm about to crack open this bad boy.

>>212446946
sounds like a kino idea anon. Do you also study AI and German?

>>212447060
Yep, I'm trying to challenge myself and learn something entirely in German and AI seemed like an interesting subject.

>>212446946
I'm not that good yet but I am planning to use language learning as an excuse to read some of the more popular self-help books.

>>212447280
>>212445550
Bro, what's the point of learning the language of beaners?

>>212447510
if you live in ex-mexican regions it would be kino to know spanish (fact)
just read Blood Meridian (the greatest American Novel)

>>212447510
I thought the same. But I have no goal of learning French or Japanese either. I have some romantic vision of an unfulfilled dream towards all of them, so I'll at least do that much. I studied French and Spanish at the same time and in the end I chose Spanish because Spain is cheaper than France and also has trains.

>>212447244
I'm not sure I would understand that book myself, lol.
Best of luck, Serbanon

>>212447646
The greatest American novel is Moby Dick, opinion discarded.
>>212447671
I'd rather learn french or japanese, the frogs have great literature, and the japs have anime, if you're into that stuff. Spics have nothing worthwhile.
>Spain is cheaper
Everyone goes to fucking Spain. I will never go there just because of that it's hot as fuck and there's not much to see. I'd rather just go to Italy or France.

>>212447878
Moby Dick isn't an American novel, it is an autistic novel. Kino written by an autist that happens to be done in America doesn't make it American

>>212447734
Thanks. I already have a background in CS, so the subject matter isn't completely unfamiliar to me, but it's still going to be quite a challenge.

>>212447280
Kek, I love how they translated the title.

>>212447878
>French.
Adventure in the Foreign Legion, picking up girls in French, being rally driver, the best anime dubbing after Japanese, attachment to aesthetics, planes, trains, nuclear program. A small USA in Europe. Useful in Poland and abroad, but you have to know it really well. Good music. Cuties in all colors and shapes. More niche than German but extremely usefull in the job market
For most of it I'm too old. And I'm not a posh person. France is facing many problems
>Japanese
Anime, cute girls. My friend was there and said it was like in anime. But I'm old and I won't experience youth in Japan, so why do anything at all
>Spanish
A motorbike ride through Patagonia, a pilgrimage to Santiago. I might do the latter in my life. Apart from that, there are some less pompous Italians, and even the Spanish have something Asian about them, like their love of gambling. I also like their architecture. I like trains and gothic architecture
I started Spanish along with French. My friend also started Spanish so I decided we would motivate each other, but unfortunately there is no time to study. I was supposed to study with another friend at the same time, but then I was lazy. I would like to reach B1 in some language by the end of the year, preferably B2, and Spanish seems to be the most realistic option. Also, I like Don Kichote.

I have a question for Spanish speakers
In a sentence like
>tiene una opinión
would both vowels in 'una' be diphtongized?
By this I mean something like
>tienewnawpinión

>>212448588
>My friend was there and said it was like in anime
It's only for tourists, right? Isn't average Japanese wagie a depressed salaryman?

jifunze kiswahili tafadhali

>>212448748
Japan is by far the coolest place I've ever visited, but from what I understand, their work culture is even worse than ours.

>>212448748
The tourists sites are really well run, not over the edge and over-commercialized (to the most part). But I think people are complaining about over-tourism in Japan now too. The big cities are not that interesting, but at least they are safe, orderly and clean compare to ours.

>>212448748
>>212448841
He was an exchange student
As I said. It's over if you're after school and have to work for a japanese company

I think I might be depressed, but I'm starting to build a playlist of Spanish-language music, and art somehow comforts me and motivate
Anyway, I will continue with Spanish until I finish Pimsleur 1 Castillan Spanish, with the help of Dreaming Spanish and Anki. So another 26 days, then we'll see. I want to achieve around B1/B2 level in a foreign language to the end of the year

I'm in the middle of learning French and I suddenly got the need to learn Polish again.
I want to visit my grandmother's hometown in Poland and I don't want to be a retarded German who goes there without a bit of Polish under my belt to go "hrr hrr, my grandmother lived here when it was still called Silesia and I want to have a look around".
But I guess I'll go back to French

peppapigtoil

>>212451062
*snort snort*

>>212450096
Why not... both?

Btw. Spanish is not so easy to pronounce. I mean easy to be understood but hard to master with that b/v and soft d and all that stuff

>>212448189
>someone is slightly different, nerdy, intellectual, or quirky
"aUtIsTiC"

remember that all non-standard personality types are pathological

>>212452181
I find the way vowels merge together between words the hardest part.
The pronunciation of words in isolation isn't so bad

>>212452541
Yeah, that's too. And so I try to speak in full sentences and quite fast from the beginning bc I don't want to sound like a retard. It's a good thing that we have most of the sounds in Polish. I kind of feel like this French leision makes sense desu

>>212451498
I still have Chinese as another language.

>>212441218
With step one do you just use the browse function to read through the deck and then do a normal paced review process over time or are you literally doing like 80 new cards a day?

>>212445018
>>212445463
This is just for casual fun and maintenance because Japanese has minimal impact of my work compared to Korean. Also I haven’t started Korean yet, and I’m doing 15 words a day for Japanese right now. Korean I’ll be tackling aggressively.

>>212452181
nibba just exhale while holding your mouth in a certain position, maybe vocalise maybe don't, how hard can it be

>>212452964
What did you find was the best methods to learn Chinese? I am doing a little bit of everything like Anki, chatgpt to make practice texts, podcast and some US govenrment course thats free.

>>212453274
It's very contrintuitive from my perspective. And there is a stereotype that Spanish is pronounced the same as Polish, only V like B. But that's bullshit, and I'm just sharing my observations.

So between chinese, japanese, and korean, which one is better for business these days guise?

>>212453073
up to 100 new cards per day while keeping up with reviews, which is only possible because of mnemonics. I could barely do 20 new cards/day before I learned visualization mnemonics

>>212452400
>https://library.oapen.org/handle/20.500.12657/93580
he was Autistic not american

>>212456601
'neurodivergent' and 'autism spectrum' are memes. It's just a way of pathologizing ordinary personality variations.

>>212456669
cope.

>>212456669
personality doesn't exist either. autism and personality types are defined purely by observable behaviour, so to say they are what's causing the behaviour is nonsense. how do we know someone has autism? they avoid eye contact and get upset in the presence of certain sensory stimuli. why do they exhibit those behaviours? because they have autism. circular innit

>>212456452
I do mnemonics a bit when it jumps out at me but not systematically. Any advice on them? I did notice my retention went up a lot when I would find some mental hook or trigger for remembering the word even if it wasn’t explicitly visualized.

>>212454978
I think I tried various books while doing a HSK anki deck on the side up to and including HSK 4.
I also went throught the complete free content of Hello Chinese.
What I really found helpful was Learn Mandarin with Paul Noble. I listened to it while playing Grim Dawn.
Mind you, I still struggle to read and understand easy content. I have a buttload of vocabulary and a good chunk of grammar, but as always I fail to use it because I'm too lazy when it gets hard.

>>212441218
>minecraft
Minecraft on its own sucks for language learning. But as something to do while listening to TL audio it's quite good.

I finished doing Spanish and now I want to learn French and German. Fuck me

>>212458565
do Basque

>>212458565
>finished
name all words and their possible combinations

>>212458565
Ay caramba

>>212458565
Just like learn language

To Duolingoers. Why do you use it? Is it purely that nothing else keeps you consistent?

>>212454978
I made my own shit using this https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Mandarin_Frequency_lists/1-1000
and then I grinded it out while reading about grammar and watching CDramas

>>212460761
That's bleak

>>212460761
>711 days
>hiragana not learned
I learned it in 2 times 1 hour with a pen in hand

>>212460761
How can someone actually be that retarded? At what point do you say “hmm maybe I need to rethink how I’m approaching this?” Maybe if he sat down and wrote the kana out by hand a few times he would be fine.

Is Pimsleur Spanish worth it?

Why the fuck are building locations the "Ésta"? Can they get legs and go somewhere?
And I was tricked, Spanish also has the liaison. Fucking Poles saying Spanish is easy to pronounce for us or easier than French and fucking Spaniards and the whole Hispanidad confirming us in this delulu. Yeah, if you don't mind sounding like a retard then maybe so. I'll get mad if I don't master this pronunciation and connected speech perfectly within a month
>>212459843
I meant I was done learning Spanish for today, but I was still learning anyway. I think I might have brain damage.
>>212460454
I do like learning I think. Only sometimes I think about changing the language
>>212460761
Give me two days and I'll do it., and I'm apparently retarded. 711 day, Jesus Christ. I doubt it's even Duolingo's fault if he can't remember about 50 symbols

>playing Skyrim in German
>NPCs use the archaic "Ihr" and "Euch" instead of "Sie" and "Ihnen"
süß

>>212460761
I use it for her

>>212462183
Fantasy staple. Using "Sie" and "Ihnen" in a fantasy setting is almost done never.
I remember buying games when I was young, when they still came in Euroboxes or later DVD cases, and the blurbs on the back were written with the archaic forms.
Kino.
Nowadays it's mostly "Du", which is horrible.

How do I become fluent in Italian ?

>>212461021
you are a big genius

should i capitulate to basic bitchness and learn german or french or some other NPC shit?

>>212456266
It depends on your job and country bro :)

>>212464460
Stay the fuck away from my TLs

>>212464460
Nein

Bros. What are some resources for Maori?

>>212464460
choose German

Bulgarian is the king choice of 2025

Damn I want to learn Italian after watching the first episode of Mussolini: Son of the Century
I didn't know the language sounded so good

/lang/ is dead

What's the best way to transcribe these vowels?
[ɔ ɔː o oː œ œː ø øː]

I refuse to use formal forms. You will be addressed using the informal you, (you) will just have to deal with it

>>212469533
>English “you” is French “vous” already

You’re gonna be saying the equivalent of Thou.

>>212464460
MAMA MIA

>>212465096
sell me german
>>212470436
what did you mean by this

>>212458565
Learn Persian instead

So I learned it would be beneficial to my career to learn to speak Finnish, but I'm 30 and haven't done any foreign language stuff since high school. Is being conversational in a year or two a remotely feasible goal?

>>212463922
>you are a big genius
are u doing a sarcasm? I can't tell sir
>>212464460
German if you are North Italian. The HRE must return

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NRSELofdeo&t=133s

Chinese looks fucking maddening. 200 words video of studying during your sleep. fuck that.

for BEGINNERS

>>212466285
I wanted to like Italian, but for whatever reason Spanish sounds better to me.

>>212470519
There is no "instead"
>>212472230
>whatever reason
Because it's a good sounding language like all or almost all latin-based. Spanish is simply associated with poverty in Americans. There are also many contrarians who piss on languages that are generally considered beautiful. Languages like French, Spanish, Dutch

>>212470583
you'd need 1000-1500 hours, so if you can do that in a year or so then yes, if not no

obviously it's technically possible, mr khazumotto reached a high level of fluency at japanese in 18 months doing it 24/7

>>212458172
>but as something to do while listening to TL
yes, that's what I do. it's good for learning the words for resources/tools/materials/etc while getting input

>>212470583
It depends on what you mean by conversational. >>212472371 this anons answer seems to be assuming advanced proficiency, while if you mean “can hold basic conversation, and knows enough field specific vocabulary for his work” then it would be far fewer hours. I would say that if you practice consistently then yeah. If you’re looking for conversation finding Finns to speak to ASAP is essential.

Also if you are doing something like 2 hours a day it’s best to split it up, like doing rote vocab reviews or boring shit right in the morning for about 30 minutes, watching something for 30 minutes in Finnish during your lunch break or whenever you find the time (with subtitles and a popup dictionary ideally so you can learn new words easily) and then an hour of consistent talking. Tutors can be found for reasonably cheap online if you have the cash.

For my part I’m antisocial so I forgo the tutors and end up literate and can comprehend spoken stuff but really struggle to speak.

Have fun! If you dread the process you won’t do it.

Note about knowing a language for work and the actual consequences of bad grammar or whatever:

I work in international business. I spent some time with a korean consulting firm that had a lot of singaporean clients. In our meetings with the singaporean clients, we spoke english, and the partner had a thick accent and made frequent basic grammar mistakes. No one gave a shit. He made good deals consistently. He spoke like this on a number of occasions in high level meetings.

>Ooh rearry! Dat is sor intelesting! I would riking to hearl moar abotuh dis!

It never even occurred to me that he talked like this until I confronted how autistic online language learners are about ever being anything less than perfectly fluent (when they make mistakes in their native tongue, no less). Basically, the amount you need to actually minimize your accent or perfect your grammar is dramatically lower than people here think. What’s dramatically more important is being relatively comfortable speaking, and having a broad enough vocab to at least cover basic-intermediate conversations + what is needed for your field.

So chill out and have fun.

>>212472463
finnish is a difficult language. it's a much bigger project than trying to learn english, or german

>>212472459
>it's good for learning the words for resources/tools/materials/etc
Maybe if you install a mod that removes the icons. Does such a mod exist? Without it you're just going to look at the icons and never really learn the words.

>>212472069
>during your sleep
Do people still fall for this meme?

最少 270名이 死亡한 에어 인디아 慘事는 보잉社의 飛行機 中 가장 革新的이고 人氣 있는 모델이 關聯되어 있다. 이 機種은 只今까지 가장 安全한 航空機로 評價받기도 했다.

에어 인디아 171便이 離陸 後 30秒 만에 墜落한 原因은 아직도 밝혀지지 않았다. 이를 調査하는 이들은 現在 飛行 記錄 裝置의 데이터를 復舊해 事故 原因을 찾고 있다. 이 事故와 關聯된 또 다른 關心事로 飛行機 機種도 있다. 事故가 일어난 787 드림라이너는 그동안 燃料 效率을 劃期的으로 높인 새로운 世代의 航空機로 알려졌었기 때문이다.

이 事故가 있기 前까지 787은 約 15年 넘게 單 한 名의 死亡者를 내지도 않았고 큰 事故 없이 運航해왔다. 보잉에 따르면, 이 期間 10億 名이 넘는 乘客이 787을 利用했다. 그리고 現在 全 世界的으로 1100餘 臺의 787이 하늘을 날고 있다.

하지만 이 모델은 品質 管理와 關聯해 難關에 逢着한 바 있다.

그동안 787 機種에서 品質 管理 等의 業務를 하다가 內部 告發者가 된 이들은 이 모델의 生産 基準과 關聯해 여러 가지 憂慮를 提起했다. 潛在的으로 危險한 缺陷이 있는 航空機에 運航 許可가 났다고 主張하는 이도 있었다. 反面 이 航空機 製作社는 이러한 主張을 繼續해서 否認해왔다.

2009年 12月의 어느 쌀쌀한 날 아침. 새로 만들어진 航空機 한 臺가 시애틀 鄰近 페인 필드 空港 滑走路를 따라 加速을 붙이더니 흐린 하늘로 날아올랐다. 現場에서 이를 지켜보던 群衆은 歡呼聲을 질렀다.

이 試驗 飛行은 數年間의 開發과 數十億 달러 投資가 만들어낸 結晶體였다.

787 構想은 油價 上昇으로 因한 燃料費의 連鎖的 上昇이 航空社의 主要 苦悶으로 떠오르던 2000年代 初부터 始作되었다.

當時 보잉은 效率性의 새로운 基準이 될 만한 長距離 運航 飛行機를 만들기로 決定했다.

航空 歷史學者 시어 오클리는 "1990年代 後半 보잉은 소닉 크루저라는 디자인을 開發 中이었다"고 말했다.

보잉은 처음에는 尖端 素材와 最新 技術을 使用하여 最大 250名의 乘客을 音速 以下로 運送할 수 있는 飛行機 生産을 構想했다. 燃費보다는 速度와 移動 時間 短縮에 重點을 두었던 것이다.

오클리는 "하지만 9/11 테러로 全 世界 航空 産業이 큰 打擊을 입었다"고 말했다.

"航空社들은 보잉에 燃料 效率이 높고 經濟的인 長距離 旅客機가 必要하다고 말했습니다. 소닉 크루저와 飛行機의 容量은 비슷했지만 高速 機能은 빼고 싶어했습니다."

보잉은 初期 構想을 抛棄하고 後날 787이 될 機種 開發에 着手했다. 그리고 이 轉換에서 航空社들의 새로운 비즈니스 모델이 나왔다.

새로운 비즈니스 모델은 超大型 飛行機로 많은 人員을 태워 '허브' 空港을 오가는 方式이 아니었다. 代身 小型 航空機를 小都市 間 直航 路線에 投入해 以前에는 不可能하다고 여겨졌던 運航으로 收益을 냈다.

當時 보잉의 最大 라이벌이었던 유럽의 에어버스의 接近法은 이와 正反對였다. 가장 크고 混雜한 空港을 오가며 最大한 많은 乘客을 실어나를 수 있도록 맞춤 製作된 거대한 A380 슈퍼점보 航空機를 開發하고 있었던 것이다.

結果的으로 보면 보잉의 接近法이 더 賢明했다. 燃料를 많이 使用하는 A380은 251臺만 生産되었고, 2021年부터는 生産이 中斷되었다.

>>212472577
Your colleague must have at least had good comprehension, otherwise he would have spent those meetings staring at your faces trying to understand what's happening but getting completely lost.
I had a chinese colleague once who was similar, she often said things like "we need to trying to figure it out" but her comprehension of English was basically perfect.

>>212473478
>>212473490
Korean mixed with Chinese characters?
Get with the times, Korea stopped doing that like a hundred years ago

>>212472802
Is it a bigger project than negotiating multimillion dollar international deals in English for a native Korean speaker?

>>212473616
Yeah that’s pretty much my point. Basically a strong A2/weak B1 spoken (plus industry specific vocab) who has B2/C1 comprehension is good enough for the vast majority of international work, unless you’re trying to do something that requires full fluency in both like translating legal documents or being an interpreter (probably the hardest thing IMO).

I remember this one Japanese interpreter though who grew up bilingual in Japanese and English, and he was very capable until we started throwing out terms surrounding patents, when he would get lost because he didn’t really understand the terms in either language well.

>>212473886
Newspapers still do it to some degree. It’s still necessary for a Korean to be educated properly. We should do it for English lol. Also, they only started trying to phase out Hanja after WW2 (and failed early on) and it’s only really properly phased out in Best Korea (but high school students still learn thousands there).

It’s really a shame that modern romance spellings aren’t more conservative to Latin (especially French) because it would make polyliteracy in romance dramatically easier to develop even if the pronunciation would line up less with the spelling. (Think how 4th century Latin already used -o masculine endings but retained the -us spelling).

How to unlearn Russian. I want to like completely forgot it

>>212474859
lobotomy

How to unlearn Flemish. I want to like completely forgot it

How to unlearn English. I want to like completely forgot it

>>212474716
Yeah, that would be cool.

Polyliteracy plan (fuck talking to human beings)

Interlingua->Spanish->Italian->French->Latin

Spend 1-3 months reading a bunch of interlingua texts daily (comprehensible day 1 for english speakers, basically get substantially more lexical benefits than latin but with a fraction of the effort). Read through conservative vulgate-based bibles of each Romance language as well as the nature method book for each (including LLPSI and the Vulgate itself for Latin).

Interlingua bridges gap from English to Romance. So easy it doesn’t feel like learning a new language. Ditch the second it feels like a hassle.

Have any of you ever messed with books written specifically to teach literacy in another language? This was recommended to me for grad school preparation

>>212474716
Written French is easy

Polish is cool

>>212478837
What's so cool about it?

Ok, out of all romance languages, Spanish isn't as bad as you guys painted it. French is more flamboyant and cocky I think, and useful, but still Spanish is solid.
I kind of regret not choosing French, there is a similar amount of work with Spanish, and that I am not learning German because it would be useful professionally, apart from the fact that I like these languages. And I regret Japanese, because it is a lot of content and an interesting culture, but I will never be on a date in a school uniform, I will miss most of the cultural clichés, so what's the point?

>>212478977
NTA. The sharp consonants, the vowels being a perfect medium, the accent & rhythm, the ancient mostly unchanged orthography, the literature
Maybe you don't get it because you're also Slav, but to most Westerners, Polish is like an alternative reality where Russian were actually cool, not only by sound, but also prestige (e.g., Polish is an older language than Russian by several centuries, Poles are closest genetically to ancient Slavs, ...) Other Slavic languages are just Slavic languages, while Polish is distinctively Polish.

>>212479344
Thank you for the explanation.

>>212479696

>>212479257
Spanish is much more fun to speak.

>>212479879
Idk, depends on the image created by the media. Spanish can also be pretentious, and French has this sly edge, especially if you've listened to old French rap or watched French movies. It sounds a bit like you're arguing with someone.
>>212479257
And Dutch, Danish and Norwegian. I also like these and people seems cool

>>212476982
Written French is twice as hard as spoken French. They have entire tenses that are only used literarily

>>212480111
Are they common though? Or are they found purely in nerd shit for le heckin intellectuals

>>212460761
I signed up (and immediately canceled) to try their 14 day trial while I'm laid up after foot surgery, and I've done a bit already and I just can't get over the long sentences where you have to click on 10 or so bubbles instead of just typing the answer. So infuriating. It just wastes so much time.

I still get to use it for the 14 days despite cancelling so I'm gonna see how far I can get. I won't have much else to do anyway.

>>212480198
Yeah it's common but you'll still understand the text even without fully grasping what they mean. The weird tenses aren't even what makes it hard, written French is hard regardless, in my opinion.

Very funny to read this on wikipedia and then think back to French classes where they taught us this in the first year or so.

>>212480198
Imperfect subjunctive is used in literature but it's not very common, common enough to be annoying but not common enough for you to pick it up through pure immersion easily
Everything else is used constantly and it's not an issue
The only issue is if your textbook/teacher thinks that it's not relevant to you and so never bothers to teach it

>>212480414
>Textbook
>Teacher
Grim

>>212462684
>Nowadays it's mostly "Du", which is horrible.
grim

If your language uses plural you as the formal singular you, it's cringe.

>>212469533
learning german made me actually wish we had a formal form. Sometimes if I'm at the bank or something like that I feel like saying just you is almost disrespectful. German has infected my brain I guess

How do you improve after reaching a level where you're fluent enough that no one would really correct you in real life.
A bit like hearing a colleague speak English quite well, for being Italian or whatever they are, but obviously with some minor mistakes that no one would bother correcting.
Where do you go from there? Ingesting only gets you so far, understanding basically everything you'd come across in daily, regular life doesn't mean you can flawlessly reproduce it. Do I really have to start writing or something? Silly exercises also feel beneath you when you speak the language every single day to people.

>It took like 3 years of language learning to finally start getting recommended videos in my TL without hopping or signing in
It must just be that they look at ad revenue expected and don't want to recommend any spanish videos, right? Because they 100% knew that I was primarily just searching for and watching stuff in spanish, how bad does google feel when someone switches from watching videos to english to ones in spanish?

>>212480666
Say all y'alls to them

>>212480508
having separate formal and informal pronouns is total cuckoldry. If your TL has them, you're learning a slave language.

>>212472577
white pill

>>212473616
I think a lot of us are probably like your colleague. I know I am I can understand 95% of spoken content in my tl, but, although I can definitely convey my thoughts, I sound like a retard half the time doing it.

>>212475853
I used pic related and found it very helpful. I had already been learning german for a couple years, so some of it was review, but it also introduced some more advanced concepts and explained ones I already knew, but more clearly.
Mine was btw very much just reading. Assuming yours is the same, I would pair that book with beginner comprehensible input or something like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uS5WSeH8iM. Otherwise, you'll end up pronouncing things very wrong and struggling to understand spoken french.

>>212480464
Absolutely.

>>212461580
ANSWER ME

>>212461580
>>212481387
pirate it and try it out.

>>212481255
>German quickly

>>212461580
Pimsleur is worth it IMHO. I listen while doing work around the house and I’ll go through Unit 1 of a new language right before a trip.

>>212481251
Exactly, that's why English is the best language.

Why do people even want to be D2 in a language, it just seems like a waste of time to try to go beyond C2 into mythical territory of being 100% native-like and sometimes even better than them.

Like in that time you could learn 2 or 3 languages to C2, why would you try to push beyond it and be undistinguishable from a native?

>>212481996
The true blackpill is that you never will be "D2" or better than a native anyway.

>>212481996
B2 is already out of your reach if you're older than 16 because your neuroplasticity is gone

>>212482141
Wrong.

>>212482399
Cope

>>212481464
This book looks epic

Even natives take 18 years to reach C2 level in their own language, why even bother anymore?

does anyone else have horrific trauma regarding a foreign language

does anyone else have horrific school trauma regarding a foreign language

>>212482481
Is C2 really that high of a bar? I've never taken a language test because that's cuckoldry, but it doesn't even seem that hard when looking at the vague description of it on the CEFR website.

C2 ≠ native

>>212433932 (OP)
I tried telling my old pops that Romanian pulă (penis) and Indonesian pula (also) are not related and he called me stupid and close minded.

>>212482564
Yeah. I took four years of Spanish. Not only can I speak VERY little but I absolutely refuse to speak it to people.

>>212482481
>>212482652
No, it's not that high, it's basically what consistent practice (and improvement) will do in a couple years, in nearly every language even.
>Question is asked
>Can give an answer in a couple ways
>Can sort of bullshit your way through things like a native
It doesn't seem like there's much improvement between B2, C1, and C2 in those tests / interviews really, day-to-day life it helps a lot but testcucking shows little difference - it doesn't even take a lot of work or understanding, just consistent study.

>>212482698
Mine is a bit different from yours in what exactly happened, but still Spanish.

In grade 8, I didn't do homework and I had a bit of an attitude. My teacher was determined to place me in the lowest stream in high school, and my parents didn't understand this at the time because they didn't have the same system when they went to school.

In spite of doing non-academic English, math, social studies & science, I was still able to do university-level Spanish in high school. In grade 12, I was invited to Awards Night, and they awarded me on stage in front of everyone with a scholarship to study Spanish in university, as I was the top Spanish student in my grade. Those grade 11 and 12 university-level Spanish courses were no joke.

Later I was notified that my scholarship was rescinded. The reason? I didn't complete sufficient ELA, SS, science or math courses, because I was in 30-3, so I wouldn't be eligible to study at a university. They gave my Spanish scholarship to the second best student. This had never happened before, so they made that mistake for the first and last time with me. I was never given any sort of compensation for this. Just an apology printed on a sheet of paper.

I can never look at that language again.

>>212482717
>It doesn't seem like there's much improvement between B2, C1, and C2 in those tests / interviews really, day-to-day life it helps a lot but testcucking shows little difference - it doesn't even take a lot of work or understanding, just consistent study.
Well, the consistent study IS the work. I don't see how this would not mean you have a better understanding though. Are you saying it's just raw reproducibility as opposed to getting a feel for the language?

>>212482564
Not horrific. But I switched school districts from middle school to highschool. My old district's spanish education was a total joke, so they placed me in spanish 1. There problem was at my new school only retards and problem students took spanish 1 as freshman, because all the smart kids took it in 8th grade. I come in and I am the only kid in the class that tries and enjoys learning, so naturally I get bullied and several of them start calling me mexican. This sort of became my nickname even among my friends. This experience has lead to me having major hang ups regarding spanish.

>>212483122
It's a bit hard to describe, basically it seems to boil down to who's good at taking tests
>OK, on your C2 they will test you on X thing
>And here's the interview
OK, so to get your C2 you study for the interview - in your college course or whatever all books will be written in this direction. Same with the levels before it, only C2 just has some more demands.

I mean, inevitably you're gonna be studying and learning a lot, but if you've already gone through B1 and B2 and C1 tests the C2 is gonna be just another step higher - especially since most people going for it will learn what's on it and study specifically that so they don't waste time, money, and effort.
Basically there are countless people out there who don't study for these tests but would surpass a C2 in general understanding, knowledge, and use but couldn't pass a C1 to save their life - because they're just learning.

>>212483295
I think the levels are very geared towards workplace culture and conversations too. Not too far fetched considering the EU came up with them. However it sounds like a failed measure if someone that surpasses a C2 holder in general understanding wouldn't even be able to pass C1 to save their life.
When I see a job application mention a C2 requirement for English or whatever, I immediately think someone having to test and certify their English level wouldn't be good enough at it to work with in the first place, kek. Very third world coded

>>212483606
Well, if you passed a C2 test you can do the basics and learn the rest on the job, really. Yeah, it is geared towards work.
It still makes sense though, even at jobs where you "need" a second language for your work 99% of the work will be done in your native language, and then you'll read an email and write a couple sentences maybe, and then attend a useless meeting where you say hi and bye in the new language.

But yeah, if your workplace is full of allegedly C2's in X language they should just do an interview on the new guy that takes 2 minutes to see if he understands, it should be clear and obvious, and they shouldn't need to do some test.

even: farsi
odd: turkish

>>212484303
Enjoy your stray cats.

>>212484303
Enjoy your hair transplant.

>>212484303
shit choices
learn Bulgarian

>>212484582
bulgarian has evidentiality because of turkish influence.

>>212481387
I'm at Day 5. Too soon to say. It's ok, but as the only resource? Nope

Anyway, answer me this, por favor: >>212461727
>Why the fuck are building locations the "Ésta"? Can they get legs and go somewhere?

>>212484935
It just be that way
estar come from the Latin verb meaning to stand, and buildings stand

>>212481996
Your level in the cefr is not a measurement of native-like speaking. Half of natives are c1, not even c2. (Aren't able to process intellectual or technical speech.) A lot of normies have incredibly limited vocabulary, and most don't read. I have friends that constantly fail to understand words that I say that ESL's on this site could easily understand. E.g somthing as simple as 'endocrine' as in endocrine system 90% of native normies would either not know what it means at all or mispronounce

Statistically speaking, half of normies never read a book agaim after highschool ' *for the rest of their entire lives* - so what I said is not hyperbole

>>212473993
>weak b1 spoken, strong b2 comprehension
Again, if you are talking about a *hard* language like finnish, japanese, turkish, or korean, and not an easy language like indonsian, english, swedish, or german, even getting to that basic point will take you at least 1000-2000 hours

>>212481996
To stick it to the faggot natives and/or because they enjoy the language and culture. There's no real meaning to it, you'll never have a practical need to recite some thousand year old boring classical shit and most natives won't even understand what you're saying if you do so.
>>212482090
Literally all you need to do is to go there and use that language until you're equal to natives.

What’s the best non-immersion method of mastering a language?

>>212485650
immerse but pretend you're not doing it

>>212433932 (OP)
any fulani learners?

How do I power through and get over hating the learning process? I want fluency but I hate every second of the learning process. It's not like the gym or eating less calories where there is a guarantee of progress, the learning process is entirely subjective to the learner and figuring out the way that is best for you to learn a language, that responsibility is placed on you

pic unrelated

>>212482564
French isn't that bad

>>212487079
>>212483000

>>212487050
Just find content that you enjoy.

>>212486551
the only african language I've seen people learning here iis Swahili, and it's only like two guys learning it.

>>212487361
What is this a screenshot of?

>>212487361
what site is this

>>212487417
>>212487423
It's a graph I made using draw.io

>>212487396
sokotocellbros...

>>212476982
None of you should speak on this subject if you speak a native language other than English.

Anyways, what I’m basically proposing with the whole conservative spelling thing would cause about 90% of romance words to be spelled almost exactly the same, probably based on the Latin Ablative like English loanwords. This would mean anyone literate and knowledgeable about latin roots would be able to read any romance language, assuming some small spelling shifts only where absolutely necessary. Sort of like different Han Chinese languages having an identical script.

>>212480508
Art thou speaking of English?

>>212481255
>although I can definitely convey my thoughts, I sound like a retard half the time doing it.

The trick is to stop worrying that you sound like a retard and start accepting that you sound like a foreigner. (Not saying we shouldn’t all be practicing our accents).

>>212488585
No.

Is there a successful nature method for mandarin? Im absolutely obsessed with the East.

>>212487361
How and when do you start outputting?

>>212488506
Why should anyone cater to a monolingual EFL?

>>212489381
Developing output is the secondary effect of receiving lots of input. As time goes on, you simply unlock more things you can express, that's all there is to it. Some features of the language take more or less time to develop, there's some natural order to it, so ultimately you just have to be patient.

You can "practice" expressing yourself in your TL, but if you force it beyond your limits, you're just going to try to impatiently brute-force it with explicit grammar and thinking about the form, which in the short-term might work (passing a test), but in the long-term will just create unnecessary race conditions between different types of knowledge.

>>212489381
I usally only bother outputtng when I can understand the large majority of what natives say, can watch videos and read in the target language without translation

i was studying russian consistently for a couple of months, eventually burned out and quit for better part of the year. practiced a bit this weekend and i was surprised that i have retained what little i've learned quite well.

>>212480111
It's literally just funny English. Writing French is a bigger pain but understanding is extremely simple, you can literally just open a random book and start reading it with a dictionary straight from day 1.

>>212473993
>>212485588
>Bro just have strong B2 comprehension and weak B1 output PLUS specific vocabulary
This is so far beyond what actual people in the field are capable of, and so far beyond what 90% of language learners reach. At the end of a college course they're probably approaching B2 / B1 like this. Most people let it fall off after that.

>>212485650
spend 25,000 dollars a year going to college and spending valuable college time learning the language and then realizing they just make you immerse for 90% of it and maybe give you a textbook on the way to help, which is also written in your TL and counts as immersion

you have no good reason to learn a foreign language. there's a dozen other skills you could acquire that would be infinitely more useful and lucrative. you probably just waste your time debating which one to learn than actually learn one anyway, because you have no good reason to pick any of them. this is you being a busy bee and feeling like you're doing something productive, but you're doing nothing at all.

>>212492185
im learning russian

>>212489381
for me it was when I just found a college book that I understood at my level, and said book had little questions in it at the end of each reading that you would read and answer in your TL. It's not pure input like the other people say, rather it's just a gradual exercise of remembering and incorporating more and more words while trying to stay natural.

Basically either find a book that gives you said exercises or just look up writing exercises some other way. If you can write you can talk. You don't really have to write them down either if you can just string them along in your head.
Also if you watch those interview videos in your TL of anything being interviewed / asked questions you can pause the video and think up some answers in your head, then listen to what the guy is saying as an answer.

Basically there's a million ways to output but they basically all boil down to thinking in your TL as often as possible - at first this is guided with questions, then you try to do it naturally without having to answer X specific question. And of course, input makes this all easier but it's something you have to practice and get good at anyway.

>>212492185
>t. too dumb to be able to learn a language

>>212492185
I actually like being a busy bee though because the alternative is just sitting around drinking beer and watching youtube until I die.

>>212492185
>you have no good reason to learn a foreign language
yes I do, to talk to asian qts

>>212481464
Sirl I speakuh da engrish bery da corectly

>>212485588
>>212491775

>>212492185
>dozen other skills you could acquire that would be infinitely more useful and lucrative

Sure, but what else can I learn just by reading, watching slop and playing vidya? Everything else takes actual work.

Serious question.
Do you think I can Pavlov dog myself into learning more effectively if I only masturbate while studying?

>>212462684
the dutzen-ification of German has been a blight on the language

>>212493744
Target Language Porn

>>212440857
which one?

>>212493836
I think it was obvious I already do that. I wanna take it to the next step

>>212493744
I tried this and it was too distracting for me, difficult to concentrate.

>>212492185
name 3+ other skills that would be infinitely more useful and lucrative

>>212494708
knowing how to put on make up
having a fashion sense
knowing how to suck dick

>>212488834
Just copy the shit the weebs over at DJT are doing, but replace everything with Chinese instead.

>>212492185
>Nooooooo you are supposed to do everything to make moneyyyyyy
Actual kike behaviour

My library of Polish books has an estimated 1 million words. And that's just my real life, physical books.

>>212492892
>reading, watching slop and playing vidya
You will never learn a foreign language doing this. It's just a meme that you fell for precisely because they require no effort and you're being lazy.

i look down upon monoglots.

>>212495445
Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix has 250,000 by itself.

>>212495676
Bullshit.

>>212495809
>The Philosopher's Stone - 76,944 The Chamber of Secrets - 85,141 The Prisoner of Azkaban - 107,253 The Goblet of Fire - 190,637 The Order of the Phoenix - 257,045 The Half-Blood Prince - 168,923 The Deathly Hallows - Approximately 198,227

Nah you are either counting wrong or you've got like 12 or 13 young adult novels, 1 million words isn't a lot.

>>212494708
any trade you can learn from the internet in your garage with some cheap tools, and they will all make you infinitely more money than learning 10 languages @ C2

dancing, singing, guitar, or piano will get you infinitely more pussy than knowing 10 languages @ C2 and take 1/10th the time

that's just two off the top of my head

>>212495884
I have some hefty fantasy novels just like that and none of them are as long as 250,000 words. That seems to be an anomaly even within the ones you posted.

>>212485236
Makes sense then. Thx anon. I need to check etymologies more often.
>>212492185
True. But if knowing a language is a skill that I want to acquire, then it is good to consider what language I want to know.
Also, name that lucrative skills
>>212495370
If you have a language or culture you want to learn, then of course you need to pursue it, but if there are several, it's good to ask yourself which language will give you the most flexibility and possibly which one you could earn money in. Working in a foreign language sounds like a good end goal

>>212495559
that's how 90% of the ESLs on this site learned english

>>212496036
>It's an anomaly among them
Yeah it's the longest, but 4 of those would equal your entire collection, or, for instance, just 20 young adult books with 50k words each (relatively short) would.

I think somewhere between 40-70k is normal for young adult.

>>212496036
>>212496315
Interesting read: https://www.masterclass.com/articles/word-count-guide

>>212496163
ask them for a Vocaroo and you'll see how well they really know english beyond reading and writing memes on 4chan.

>Bro it has no use
>What are you even gonna do with this?
Lel, it's so crazy hearing this stuff even as a joke. When you actually get good in a language you realize how retarded you were before and you just never give it up. I can't go back to relying on translations for stuff, I just don't want to. Literally just a couple years of work (and said work is just reading and watching videos while having fun) to not be able to ever have to use subtitles and translators again, easily worth it in basically every scenario for anyone using the internet.

>>212496504
what language?

>>212496390
>If you’re writing your first novel, the general rule of thumb for novel writing is a word count in the 80,000 to 100,000 range. While anything over 40,000 words can fall into the novel category, 50,000 is considered the minimum novel length. Anything over 110,000 words is considered too long for a fiction novel.
>Each book in J.R.R. Tolkien’s The Lord of the Rings trilogy has an enormous word count, with the longest clocking in at over 175,000 words. Despite their ongoing success, those epic sagas are the rare exception to general word count rules. Typically, you’ll want your novel to be much shorter.
Lel
>One of the most successful fantasy books of all time?
>Too long
>Harry Potter's later books?
>Also too long
....
wtf, I get understanding your target audience but citing the best and most famous books as examples of things that are too long is just ridiculous.

>>212496559
spanish, although with spanish pretty much done now I'm moving onto a next one soon - by the end of the year I plan to read around 30 more books, and by then I'll be picking a new TL.

>>212496625
do you mainly use it irl or to watch/listen to stuff?

>>212496589
>best and most famous in the fantasy genre
>harry potter
harry potter is the worst and most famous

but I think worrying about the word count is dumb. should be focusing on whether the contents are adding to the story and whether the narrative is properly fleshed out rather than how many words there are

>>212496589
Might be true, but it's sensible advice for your first novel. Because if you shoot for something of the size of Tolkion or Rowling (haven't read Harry Potter, btw) a novice author might very well get lost on the way to the finish line of such a big project.

>>212496684
To watch / listen to stuff, I have a history series I'm watching, mexican youtube videos (they are all funny and racist), ect.
The music is caca though.
>>212496745
Harry Potter is one of the best YA books, but it's still a YA book at the end of the day and people just get confused by this for whatever reason. If it's treated like other fellow YA books it's one of the best, if you treat it like a real fantasy book for adults it falls short in many ways.
>>212496782
True of course.

>>212496805
mind sharing it?

>>212496912
pero eso es otra historia.
He talks fast + includes pictures. It's not some crazy deep history, but rather a quick summary of events usually. He links all of the playlists together in his little box under the youtube videos.

>>212496912
>>212496996
Oh and also Eugenio Monesma, his series isn't history but basically a "how it's made" for rural spain, showing how they historically made things in the region. Something like 580 videos in his playlist.

>>212496805
>Harry potter is one of the best YA books
it's absolutely dogshit in every conceivable way. the worldbuilding collapses under the most modest logical pressure. the magic is completely lacking in systemization. all of the main characters are flat caricatures - Harry potter himself is literally the least interesting protagonist in all of fantasy. and voldemort is not even a character he's just a shitty plot device. and the prose is pedestrian to the extreme.

and don't give me any shit about 'oh its just for kids'. most all of tolkien's early works were aimed at kids, same with CS lewis

i literally feel unhappy whenever im reminded that harry potter exists and there are adults that like it

>>212493744
I study with a butt plug in

>>212493744
I only study while having sex

>>212497386
Saying all of this just means you've never had to struggle through objectively shittier YA books, yeah, it's just for kids and as far as kid's literature goes it's one of the best.
>All characters are wacky flat charicatures
This but x100 for every single YA book.

¿Dónde está el baño?

>>212497386
ywnbaw

>>212499202
youve never had an original thought in your life have you

also rowling is a man-hating radfem. her shit against trannies is only proxy misandry because they're male (she has no animosity towards female-to-male trannies since they're not male)

>>212499381
you've never had xx sex chromosomes

>>212499632
indeed i'm a 6'1 male with chest hair and a bass voice and a large penis thank you for noticing

>>212490026
+1 points for consistency

Do YTPs exist in your TL?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ab9-Op1GWfM

>>212495946
>infinitely more money
Nobody learns languages for money, if you want money learn to code
>dancing, singing, guitar, or piano will get you infinitely more pussy than knowing 10 languages @ C2
How do you know? How many languages do you speak?

daily reminder

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH4lZNJg_oQ&t=833s

>>212499845
I'll let you know when I find a better answer.

>>212499129
el baño está en el infierno, con el broodwich.

>>212500048
>Nobody learns languages for money
most people learn languages for work. the FSI and DLI data everybody likes to reference is literally people being paid to learn and then use it for their work

>>212500127
This general should be moved to /lgbt/

>>212500127
Yeah it 100% makes sense and is not surprising that non-normal people do things like learn languages, especially when they market themselves like this.
But I'd almost guarantee that 99% of those people are only like A2 / B1 in the languages they "know"

Korean makes it much easier to create acronyms compared to English. In English, acronyms tend to overlap too often, and it's hard to guess at the first place

>26 * 26
>11172 * 11172

So when it comes to memorizing information in its entirety, using Korean is much more advantageous. Just take the initials and combine them, and it's easier to remember.

>>212497386
>there are adults that like it
They're all women though, so basically children.

>>212500127
>people who've studied 10+ languages are literally faggots
lmao

>>212500127
another case of correlation does not equal causation
rich people (better educated) can simply admit to being gay more freely

>>212503210
no, you're literally just more likely to be a faggot

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/00031224221075776?journalCode=asra

lol. lmao.

>>212494036
Kurdish

>>212503210
lol no

>>212505252
found a retarded pdf on Kurdish grammar (why are tards allowed to author works meant to teach?), but it seems you're right

10th

>>212502866
>>212503925
i do not support discrimination against our homosexual brothers and sisters

>>212495559
Not true. Even though I'm a sandnigger i still managed to learn English to a somewhat acceptable level through watching incredible amounts of vidya slop on YouTube and reading fantasy slop to somewhat improve my vocabulary and not sound like a monkey 24/7.

You can do it too Anon. I believe in you.

>>212495559
That's just false but Americans being EOPs always have the worst takes on language learning.
Try learning a foreign language to a C2 level and maybe your takes will be taken seriously.

>>212500127
probably has something to do with autism. i just know

>>212500876
glowies don't count

>>212492254
Lies. Blithering retards have learnt languages for decades. You can as well.

>>212510273
>>212510273
>>212510273