The human race really fucking sucks, when you get right down to it.

>>212461193 (OP)
Schopenhauer wasn't a misanthrope in the sense that he hated humans as juxtaposed to nature. He admired humans as "the Will's highest representation" and as the only known representation complex enough to self-reflect. He hated existence in general, seeing it as a never-ending cycle of becoming, but never being (see his short essay on On the Vanity of Existence) as a result of the Will continuously and aimlessly cannibalizing on itself.

>>212461372
He also liked to have fun, women and worked a well-paid job as university professor while pretending to suffer

>>212461527
>a well-paid job as university professor
akshyally he never was a professor. An instructor at most. He had an autistic conviction that a philosopher shouldn't earn money by doing philosophy, since that's what Plato called out sophists on.

>>212461627
Ah right, I confused him with Hegel. Then he was the one jealous of Hegel's cathedra

>>212461668
Ok, and? One of the highest forms of midwittery is discussing the person's biography as opposed to his ideas.

>>212461690
>One of the highest forms of midwittery is discussing the person's biography as opposed to his ideas.
Fucking based

>>212461668
Schopie was right about calling Hegel a charlatan though. Schopenhauer and Kierkegaard could very well see through Hegel's bullshit.

>>212461690
Schopenhauer is mainly credited with introducing some eastern ideas to western thinking, in that sense it felt fairly shallow in both respects, I haven't read Nietzsche yet but I'm told he built on those ideas.
I have read a fair bit of eastern philosophy though and it seems to me Schopenhauer didn't go very far or think very deeply on their ideas. Sure life is suffering, that's not hard to see but what's beyond that? Taking suffering as meaning doesn't really do much, Greeks cleared that.

>>212461873
>Schopenhauer didn't go very far or think very deeply on their ideas
Nigga wrote a whole two-tome book building off Kant and Plato, while having similar vibes to Plato and Heraclitus, but sure he just said “life le bad become orientalpilled today”.

>>212461987
*similar vibes to Spinoza and Heraclitus
referring to his monism and dualism of course

>>212461987
That would be the western part yes, are you dense?

People like to make fun of misanthropes and antinataliats, but desu they're right about pretty much everything.

>>212461873
>Sure life is suffering, that's not hard to see but what's beyond that?
He clearly said that you can overcome shit through asceticism

>>212462041
I mean, what do you want to hear from me? That you have such a shallow understanding of his philosophy? Desu he should have never published Parerga and Paralipomena seeing how people skip The World as Will and Its Representation entirely and just jump on his thoughts in the former thinking they don’t have the grounding in the latter.

>>212462139
It makes me laugh that Schopenhauer also unleashed his full inner protestant and said all suffering is deserved and humans must have done some shit in the past for whatever is happening to them now.

>>212462225
Schopenhauer was Kantpilled and rejected “the past” or time in general as real concepts. The source of suffering is the Will and it exists outside space, time, and causality, because it’s the thing-in-itself in Kant’s philosophy.

>>212462290
I don't remember the exact quote but he did said that all suffering is deserved which is the most retarded thing he ever said.

>>212461627
>He had an autistic conviction that a philosopher shouldn't earn money by doing philosophy, since that's what Plato called out sophists on.
He sounds pretty based ngl

>>212461828
It's a tragedy that Hegelianism took off and the others' thought is not as well studied but I suppose it makes sense when you think about the implications of their ideas and how they serve the state apparatus

Schopenhauer and several other philosophers at that time in Germany were lucky enough to have early translations of Buddhist works but unlucky enough to have so few with such woeful translations that they were unable to fully engage with their ideas (which they so obviously were inspired by).
Thankfully all that is being cleared up by 21st century philosophers.

>>212462396
it took off because it sold optimistic bullshit of the perfection of history in teleological manner. Give human chimp a whiff of optimism and he'll be willing to suck a fart out of your asshole.

>>212462079
right, I said he stopped at the greeks, IE Sisyphus. That's not an answer though, that's just accepting it, which is a valid response but if your sum achievement is to do what an idiot would've done anyway then why'd you bother with philosophy at all?

The older I get, the more I dislike continental philosophy.

>>212462565
Precisely
Then Hesse and Marx and their followers turbocharged it, dooming civilization in the process.
The irony is palpable

>>212462565
>but if your sum achievement is to do what an idiot would've done anyway then why'd you bother with philosophy at all?
What difference does it make if an idiot is saying that or a philosopher is saying that? An idiot also lives so that means you don't need life affirming literature?

>>212462523
Precisely
Then Hesse and Marx and their followers turbocharged it, dooming civilization in the process.
The irony is palpable

>>212462580
Based

But you can enjoy Schopenhauer. He is different from continental gobbledygookers

>>212462738
Why are you in Pakistan?

>>212462702
Giovanni Gentile is the father fascism and he was a Hegelian. Whole political spectrum is retarded except me I am an enlightened apolitical chad.

>>212462804
Punjab

>>212462829
Based
What are you doing in Punjab if you like western philosophy so much?

>>212462804
I thought you were asking me where are you from, kek

Don't know man I lack the will, have self esteem issues and a tremendous capability for doubt. And I like Schopenhauer so what would you expect from a person like me? I have been rotting, making art and reading philosophy from last 9 years. I can't function in the real world, i find it disgusting.

>>212463061
Feels bad man but it's nice to know there are people like me from all over
Hope you're enjoying your weekend

>>212463268
Thanks for asking. That felt nice.

>but it's nice to know there are people like me from all over
There will always be people like us who can't help themselves but have an appetite to know everything.

>Hope you're enjoying your weekend
I am a NEET so whole month is a weekend :D

>>212463503
Have you read Stirner yet?

>>212463659
No but I have listened few lectures on him.
Have you read him?

>>212463818
Yes I read his two most important works a few times as I've been reading a lot of anarchist literature mostly over the last few years
I think you would really REALLY enjoy The Unique and Its Property, the newer translation by Wolfi Landstreicher
It is the ultimate destruction of hegelianism
You can get a good digital copy from the anarchist library (free) but there are good prints of that one

I have only read secondary and tertiary literature about Schopenhauer but he strongly resonated with me
Which work of his should I start with?
I have been reading philosophy as an amateur for a long time and am educated as a scientist
Should I just start with Will and Representation?

>>212462019
He was both a monist and dualist?

>>212464081
I have the PDF of The Unique and Its Property. Stirner is a very fascinating figure. I think about him a lot. I moving away from the metaphysics of Schopenhauer. I'll read him

>Should I just start with Will and Representation?
You can but checkout On the Fourfold Root of the Principle of Sufficient Reason before that. But you can go straight in.
>and am educated as a scientist
Then you'll really love Schopenhauer. Especially his 2nd volume.

>>212462069
They should kys then

>>212461873
Buddhists don't go far enough, they tell you to not ask some questions because it exposes the weakness of their system.

>>212464310
Thanks a lot
I'll start with that and then get into the meat of it once I've let it rattle around in my head a bit

You should also check out some old Madhyamaka Buddhist discourses especially Nagarjuna's Fundamental Wisdom of the Middle way. Jay Garfield's translation is really great and his commentary compares the ideas to similar ones in western thought
It is also not religious per se but entirely (anti) metaphysical
I found a lot of parallels between it and Stirner

Again it was nice to share a few good posts with a likeminded international fellow
Hope I see you around :)

>>212464571
Oh yes I know about Nagarjuna and I am moving away from metaphysics so I'll defiantly checkout these books.

I have one recommendation for you that is Outlines of Skepticism by Sextus Empiricus.

Thank you anon.

>>212464860
Cheers anon I'll get a copy now

>>212464860
Oh nice it's short. I think I'll read that tomorrow when it's raining :)

>>212461193 (OP)
If he doesn’t like it, it’s his fault because the information was parsed through his brain to come to that conclusion