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>>212536892 (OP)
>last thread died at 54 replies
i see this general has been sorely missing my presence nyehehehe

Why is Spanish so hard

>>212536933
Too irregular.
Learn Turkish, one of the most regular languages on the planet.

>>212536985
Turkish is even harder lol

>>212537040
It's easier than spanish

>>212526196
If Scandinavian courses weren't so expensive then yes

I'd do either Norwegian, Icelandic, Danish, or Swedish. Probably either Norwegian or Swedish in all reality but idk

I caught up on my japanese lessons. Little by little, I accumulate the ability to formulate their language.

I transitioned too early I think
Granted the bilingual dictionary is missing too much but when it does have the correct definitions it's much easier to just use a NL definition
It's over...

>>212538386
Monolingual transitions are a tryhard meme. Good for practice, but you don’t need to relearn what a cheetah is to say it in your TL.

>>212537853
say something in japanese

>>212536933
What do you have a problem with?
>>212536985
>agglutinative and SOV sentence structure
IMO at this point it is better to learn Japanese

>>212540186
何も起こらない

>>212541024
If you learn Turkish, you don't have to deal with the Japanese writing system though.

>>212536933
What are you talking about? I was in Spain recently and I could speak it after a couple hours

>>212537710
Scandinavian languages are useless unless you want to move here or somehow have an autistic interest in the culture. If you're interested in Germanic languages you should just go with German

hello frens
I study Chinese
I have decided to add Japanese
hopefully in 3 years I will be HSK6 and JLPTN1
:)

>>212542987
I don't see a problem with it. It seems interesting and not difficult, you just have to remember what the symbols look like, so it may be time-consuming. But it's the same with speed reading, you look at whole words and sentences, and you don't put sounds together letter by letter every time. Besides, in English you also have to remember about spelling regardless of pronunciation
>>212543830
Good luck anon. I always feel a little jealous of people who learn Asian languages.

I passed HSK 6
Overall score 86%
Listening 84% Reading 90% Writing 86%
I did 2 months of anki and 4 mock tests to prepare
(I can't post pictures from my vpn so you'll just have to trust me on this one for now.)

>>212536933
its not

>>212544725
>not difficult
you have to know like 2200 characters for basic literacy.
the turkish alphabet only has 29 letters.

>>212545714
Nice. Think I'll get back into Mandarin as well, it felt disgusting leaving it half finished and being only partially competent in it anyways, and now that I've let it slip to mother dearest that you can study in China for free and make them pay for it she won't fucking shut up about it and how I should impregnate some random girl there so I can get residency either.

>>212546521
study Bulgarian

>>212546967
After you.

>>212546037
But it's also not as easy as some people say, especially if you want to sound good. Same thing with Italian and the closed, open sounds. If you want to sound like a caveman, there are no difficult languages for you
>>212546468
If you want to speak well, whether it's Turkish or Japanese, you still need two years. That's more than enough to learn these characters. The same with writing English words - you have to memorize them. What's difficult about Japanese is the "unnatural" word order and agglutination, something that already exists in Turkish.

>>212547317
>Same thing with Italian and the closed, open sounds
Not even all italians are eptavocalic, who cares

>>212547715
True, you can skip that and sound like a terrone

>>212543315
>Italy flag
Italian is very similar to Spanish
Of course you would learn it easily

The urge to learn akkadian is coming back

I remember few threads ago some anon said some languages use tones to inflect verb, I saw some random video about dinka language apparently it's common feature in sudanic languages. At least in nobiin they distinguish between tones and long/short vowels, don't know how the verb conjugation works though. I can only find three textbooks in english on it, and apparently one of them is written by some non-native afro-centric historian.
Thanks for reading my blog.

>>212548745
No, there's more than only using 5 vowels to sounding like a terrone, he's going to sound like a eastern european (i.e. a romenian).

>>212545714
herzlichen Glückwunsch m8

There is something about China and Chinese that I find super interesting and enticing, but I've been filtered by it like 4 times.

>>212536933
Because the natives are all assholes that a normal person would never want to speak to.

Lang, I‘m tired.

One day my German is smooth af, another I break down in conversation. Did I hit s plateau or is it psychological? What do?

Something I realized is that, while I’m in grad school for a totally unrelated field, getting super passionate about one specific language is borderline impossible to maintain. I do it as a way to relieve stress essentially. So I’m “doing” 3 languages, but just moderating my goals to 1. Familiarity with the script, 2. Some sort of base of comprehension 3. Some base of pronunciation.

So, since I absolutely love Chinese characters, I’m going to over the last year of grad school try to get comfortable with Zhuyin, Hangul, and Kana, and to get at least 1500 characters into Remembering the Hanzi.

Beyond that, I’m gonna just jump between working through a beginner course in Korean and Mandarin (I’m about halfway done with the mandarin course already) and try to get my 15 minutes of shadowing or comprehension work in. By restricting myself to these dialogues I can substantially lower the time investment needed for comprehension to build a foundation long term. I’ve made compressed audios of all the dialogues in my mandarin and korean texts to facilitate this, I have a 2 hour long round trip commute where I can basically shadow the shit out of this linguistic core. For these languages, my Anki will just be directly mined from these textbooks to minimize the time I’m learning from flashcards, since I’m not likely to get the necessary input for 3 languages at once (so frequency flashcards have minimal payoff and maximum effort). For Japanese, ill just keep watching subbed anime and gradually working through a core Anki deck.

So to reiterate, the goal is basically A1 spoken in all 3, A2 comprehension, and some foundation in Hanzi. After grad school I will have the ability scheduling wise to do stuff like get a tutor and more specifically focus on one of these 3 languages seriously while just inpooting the others a bit on the side.

Is it: >>212550676 true, anyone?

>>212552238
bro please don't worry about dumb bullshit like this and don't look for excuses to nitpick your TL

>>212550892
go immerse in DEUTSCHLAND and talk to everybody that is white or asian

>>212552238
The only spanish speakers americans encounter are poor and feebleminded illegal immigrants from mexico and central america. That's why most americans don't like spanish or spanish speakers.

>>212553979
This is very true. If I only dealt with Spaniards I would want to learn Spanish but instead, as a Californian whose town went fron 80% to 25% white in 20 years, I associate it with fast food workers, drunk drivers, and drug dealers.

They constantly misunderstand standard American spoken clearly and slowly. It’s worse than Tim Horton’s in Canada with the Jeetglish.

As a young sperg I was pavloved into associating Mexicans with ketchup on my burger, which I hate, so I view this as a borderline unforgivable crime.

Not strictly language learning, but: how do I, as an American, acquire another accent, like an English accent? I could try to imitate someone's accent, but it would obviously sound like an American doing a bad imitation.

>>212554316
You should learn it so that you will be able to speak to people in your old age, when there's almost nobody around who still speaks american.

French (or, at least, literacy in French) would be far more useful for me professionally, but Spanish is what my heart desires. I'm intermediate in both, but I realistically only have time to study one

>>212554447
Use one to study the other

>>212554447
half your country is hispanic how is french more useful unless you are a New England fag?

>>212554561
I'm about to start grad school, and a lot of modern scholarship relevant to my field is in French and German

>>212554446
Well, there’s been a rapidly growing Chinese population lately, so I’m learning that instead. I’ve picked up a lot of Spanish through masses though and can pretty much understand Spanish masses now through my latent childhood input of listening to the mexicans shittalk everyone at school thinking the words coming out of their half-fake teeth (cane sugar soda every day) were somehow totally mysterious to us stupid gringos.

I just associate Spanish with nearly every autistic meltdown over food I had growing up. Going to McDonald’s was actually a fairly rare experience for me so when it would go poorly I remembered it and little 3-7 year old me would hold grudges over all the full-toppings “plain” burgers or the month-expired milk the spics were trying to pass on to peoples’ children via the kids meals.

I mask well and am fully functional nowadays, but specifically condiments and getting orders wrong were what really set me off growing up.

>>212554561
I don't know anyone whose first language is Spanish. I've seen some construction workers and janitors talking to each other in Spanish, and I understand what they're saying. But it's unlikely I'll ever associate with these people.

i wish nature method / llpsi style readers existed for more languages

>>212554772
True, it’s remarkable how effective it is even for very foreign languages. I wish there was a pinyin/hanzi nature method book.

>>212554762
Yeah, why would I move down classwards with my languages. They’re effectively an underclass and need to learn English to advance anyways so the actual benefits of Spanish are fairly limited.

>>212554434
move there and get a friend group with the accent you want, and your accent will subconsciously drift towards theirs. otherwise you gotta learn about phonetics, IPA, vowel charts, try to practice where the systematic differences are, most obvious are probably rhoticism, stress differences and vowels.

>>212554434
Shadowing

I made a big fuckin mistake didn't i? When the serbian posted the pokemon playlist i was already learning russian for months and i made a lot of progress, but i always had a feeling that languages like french, german, spanish are more useful for me, russian is blacklisted everywhere!
Problems with french: not phonetic, extremely hard pronunciation, will probably have an accent. I only learn languages through anki and because french pronunciation is so hard it'll probably be harder to learn words than russian

>>212555889
>french pronunciation is harder than russian
what are you on

>>212554673
>French for reading
>German for reading
voila

>>212543671
>If you're interested in Germanic languages you should just go with German
Anon, I teach German. That's my job.

>Scandinavian languages are useless unless you want to move here or somehow have an autistic interest in the culture
I mean Germanic languages are a big chunk of my PhD and outside of my work and niche internet squares I'd reckon a language like Norwegian or Swedish have a bit more use than Old English or Old Norse

>>212555889
>Problems with french: not phonetic, extremely hard pronunciation, will probably have an accent
I haven't learned it, but I feel like it'd be best to learn it aurally primarily and putting reading off for later, especially with the difference between the written language's grammar and the spoken language's. Just look up basic grammar, memorize the meanings of some basic words, but primarily listen to a shit ton of French, like multiple hours per day for at least months. Like the way this guy recommends learning Japanese: https://youtu.be/7fvCb5_Nzq4
There's comprehensible input primarily for beginner French learners, but you can also watch shows you already know the plot to and stuff like that.

>>212555980
russian doesn't sound like im coughing every 2 words.
>>212556256
thats why im thinking of sticking to russian and not french, i only do anki and i made great progress with it so far. It should be easy because it's at least similar to english but nope, hard. you're totally right, anki for beginner french won't work.

>>212556436
>you're totally right, anki for beginner french won't work.
I didn't say that. I don't see how you get past Anki as a beginner. Learning the most common nouns and stuff will require memorization no matter what.

"anki for beginner french woin't work"
"i dont see how you get past anki as a beginner"

>>212556800
Yeah, that's what I said. I don't know why you think Anku doesn't work for French.

Just open a book in French and start reading it with a dictionary, what do you not get

>>212557754
Make sure to pair that with the audiobook so you don't mispronounce everything.

Why does it take so long?! Ughhhhh...
>>212554316
You shouldn't eat in McDonalds very often
>>212553979
Makes sense. It's like Russian and eastern slavic languages before and after immigrants
>>212553025
I'm good, I was just curious. I've already invested too much time and nerves, I need to at least achieve B1, even as a base for another Romance language if I feel like switching a language

>>212536985
Spanish has irregularities, but I'd say it's pretty damn regular compared to English honestly, when it comes to verbs. Noun genders don't have a direct English comparison, but that's pretty regular to compared to German, for instance.

>live in France for 6 months
>years of learning french
>still don't understand a word when I go to a boulangerie and order bread, only survive because I know a baguette costs between 1.3 and 1.8 euros, so I always give them a 2 euro coin

Then I go to visit Italy for a weekend and suddenly I'm able to hear what the baristas ask - if I want water with the espresso and how much it costs - and what the museum guides tell me about the museum - start on the second floor and then go up to the third and finish on the first - and I'm confounded how I understand better a language I never studied.

please stop learning french

>>212559554
Why?

>>212559554
this but russian

Do y'all like music in your TL?
https://youtu.be/dSy2DcATYUo?si=aNeKQhJ62RZispTI

Yes, I do
https://youtu.be/Sm85E6VNqE0?feature=shared

>>212560442
Yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs6Y4kZ8qtw&ab_channel=ManuChao

I'll never stop

>choose French as my second level language option
>native frog teacher has us doing translation exercises from beginning to end, no input ever
>3 years later the entire class is still pronouncing every consonant
I look back on it now and I'm actually amazed

>>212556227
>German teacher anon is interested in nordic languages
Ohh shit!!
Please choose Icelandic, study it exclusively until a high level, and report back. I need my eternal question answered of how well a German + Icelandic speaker can understand norswedansk.

hey frens

still studying Russian and German at the same time.
I feel comfortable with my German now, but Russian with Nastya takes up most of my time.

If I do not fill up the notebooks with her 2 weekly 20 minute videos, they are going to stack up again and I am going to procrastinate and lose another year.
late homework adding up happened to me in high school and college a lot.

at least my Russian is getting a lot better, but this is the most effort I've put into anything.
I thought I was going to start Mandarin 2 months ago too.

3 languages I would be in dabbling territory, master of none jack of all trades type of thing. 2 languages is an ocean of words already. but I cannot afford to waste any more time I'm not getting any younger either. pushing 40

>>212562233
Aren't modern Scandinavian languages basically norse-german mutts?
>>212562233
>>212561971
Also, are you learning both French and German?

Need an update on the American anon who wanted to be a Russian gangster and for some reason went to Thailand
Are you still alive?

>>212562551
>Aren't modern Scandinavian languages basically norse-german mutts?
That's why I'm curious
>Also, are you learning both French and German?
Maybe

don't learn French

>>212562390
Great work, anon.

Yo como culo

>>212564236
you are like ass?

>>212564297
I meant to say I eat ass in Spanish.

>>212563125
this unironically. People say it is easy, but it is no joke

Promoting the **Polish language casually** among family, friends, or coworkers is a great grassroots way to share culture, spark curiosity, and build deeper interpersonal connections. To be effective, it should feel **fun, natural, and low-pressure** — like a cool inside joke, not a class.

Here’s a breakdown of **how to do it casually and effectively**, depending on the social circle:

---

## **Among Family**

### Goal: Make it feel cozy, cultural, and playful.

* **Use cute or affectionate words**:

* *Kocham cię* (I love you), *misio* (teddy bear), *słonko* (little sun)
* **Introduce Polish food terms at the table**:

* Say “*Smacznego!*” before meals
* Refer to dishes by Polish names: *pierogi*, *placki*, *barszcz*
* **Label stuff around the house**:

* Sticky notes with *okno* (window), *drzwi* (door), *lodówka* (fridge)
* **Family games**:

* Play “guess the word” with Polish flashcards
* Include Polish-language options in trivia or charades

---

## **Among Friends**

### Goal: Be quirky, funny, and meme-adjacent.

* **Drop Polish words into conversation like memes**:

* *Ja pierdolę*, *kurwa*, *bober*, *smacznego*, *na zdrowie*
* **Teach them one cool/funny word per week**:

* "Today’s Polish word is *dupa* — it means butt"
* **Make inside jokes**:

* Refer to annoying people as *dziad* (old fart) or *typowy Janusz*
* **Send Polish memes with translation**:

* Especially ones with Wojaks, regional humor, or *bóbr*
* **Play music**:

* Polish rap, synthpop, or folk — then casually translate lyrics or titles

---

## **Among Coworkers**

### Goal: Keep it light, respectful, and socially smooth.

* **Use Polish phrases in emails or chats (with explanation)**:

* "Dziękuję (thank you!) for the quick reply."
* **Bring in Polish treats** to share at work:

* Label them in Polish: *sernik*, *pączki*, *krowki*
* **Create a “Word of the Day” board or Slack channel**

* Rotate cool international words, Polish included
* **Cultural lunch hour or trivia**:

* “Did you know *Polska* means Poland in Polish?” with a fun fact or quiz
* **Gently joke about how hard Polish is**:

* People love a language that’s “impossible but fun”

---

## Tips to Keep It Effective

| Do | Avoid |
| --------------------------------------------- | ------------------------------------------------- |
| Make it funny, warm, and low-stakes | Forcing people to memorize or pronounce perfectly |
| Tie it to **food, humor, memes, or feelings** | Turning it into a language lesson |
| Let others ask questions naturally | Correcting them too often |
| Use visual cues (labels, images, memes) | Overloading with grammar |

---

## Sample Everyday Phrases You Can Teach Casually

| Polish | Meaning | When to Use |
| --------------- | -------------------- | -------------------- |
| *Na zdrowie!* | Cheers / bless you | Drinking, sneezing |
| *Smacznego!* | Bon appétit | Before meals |
| *Dziękuję* | Thank you | Emails, politeness |
| *Dupa* | Butt | Jokes |
| *Kocham cię* | I love you | Romantic/family |
| *Nie ma sprawy* | No problem | Responding to thanks |
| *Typowy Janusz* | “Typical boomer guy” | Friendly teasing |

>>212564878
>>212564899
Get the fuck out with this ai slop

>>212559554
J'aimerais pouvoir

>>212563051
I don't know how you guys do it. I learned German a while back, but sometimes I catch a lag and instead of saying Gracias or some other basic phrase, I say Danke etc.
I found it easier to learn Spanish and French at once, but I got lazy too quickly.
Yet, I'm catching lags with Spanish, which is strange because it's a simpler language grammatically and in pronunciation than German and French, at least at this initial stage

don't make the mistake of learning russian

>listen to music in target lang
>can't understand most sentences
>Read lyrics while listening
>Can understand like 80 percent of the song.
Why is this? I feel like my mind can't make out what some Spanish speakers are saying but as soon as I see the lyrics, I can hear every word.

>>212550892
People seem to really underestimate that literally everybody has a dialect and that makes listening to everybody who isn't from the standard area(like Hannover for german) like hearing the language for the first time all over again

italy is like that too. they all have Italian™ and then their dialect that they actually use daily i guess

>>212565849
this is why using captions is very important. not subtitles AKA translations, but captions so you can actually tell what they're saying and associate the sounds and rhythm

Bump
After Spanish I want to learn German and Italian or Dutch and French, and Japanese

>>212567737
That's it?

>>212565849
Even natives often can't understand Bad Bunny

>>212556227
Study Old Norse
One good thing about Old Norse is that the level you need to engage with the prose texts is not very high since they're inherently written in a very matter of fact way without long and complex sentences to bog you down
Furthermore the core vocabulary you need to learn is quite small
Then if you want a challenge you can try to read the poetry

one day i will learn russian and become a grifter for kremlin interests in south america.

>>212558773
meanwhile Turkish doesn't have gender at all, not even in pronouns.

>>212564707
It is easy though. Probably easier than Spanish for an English speaker.

>can follow spoken german just fine
>reading is rather lackluster
>speaking/writing is pretty much non-existent
It's over isn't it

Okay I lied to you last time, I still know not a bit of German and I obviously I can't actually read any of those textbooks in German I downloaded.
Is it possible to start reading in German flently in like a month?

>>212571344
Sounds like you should read, speak, and write a bit.

>>212571730
>Is it possible to start reading in German flently in like a month?

Obviously not, it takes a years. Have you tried doing the work instead of asking time wasting questions?

>>212569719
Its an Asian/Altaic thing
Mongolic, Finno Ugric, Tungusic, Koreanic and Japonic languages dont have them either

>>212565557
If you're having problems with interference then you probably haven't done enough inpoot.

>>212565849
Even i cant understand songs in NL and English