Thread 212595192

Have you ever read the Illiad in your country?

>>212595192 (OP)
yes because I went to an awesome tiny Catholic school with a great headmaster

>>212595192 (OP)
they made us read it in middle school along with a bunch of other books

Yeah it was sorta shit ngl. It was like a shonen, but only the Hector vs Archilles fight was memorable.

A enjoyed moments like Ajax fucking shit up, but apart from that I was bored.

>>212595192 (OP)
I read Aeneid instead. Achilles a faggot.

Ye

>>212595192 (OP)
yes last summer, imagine my shock when towards the end I realized they weren’t going to do the trojan horse thing.

>>212595192 (OP)
no

I had my parents read it to me when I was 5, I had this sick book illustrated by Alan Lee that has stuck with me to this day. Really awesome how he imagined the scenes to look, the movie completely shits the bed in comparison

>>212595328
Hmmm why are catholics teaching pagan religion?

Not yet

>>212595192 (OP)
I'm not a faggot nerd

>>212595192 (OP)
it was compulsory reading in classic literature class

>>212596879
why would you read it in english?

I read the Iliad, the Odyssey, the Histories, Meditations, and the Nicomachean Ethics in college when I wanted to read Greco-Roman writing
What should I read next bros

>>212596952
Mayhaps he doesn't know greek?

>>212596999
metamorphoses

>>212597026
you can translate greek into portuguese I think

>>212596952
Because America won (the Fagles translation is regarded as one of the best versions outside of Greek)

>>212596999
History of the Peloponnesian War by Thucydides

>>212597070
Why would he read it in Portuguese?

>>212595378
>>212596928
We never had anything like this. Wtf am I going insane?

>>212595192 (OP)
I've read The Iliad, The Odyssey, The Aenid, The Divine Comedy, Paradise Lost, and The Canterbury Tales.

>>212597124
You get viking stories instead

>>212597084
according to whomst?

>>212597120
EOL wouldn’t understand

>>212597048
Great suggestion actually, not sure why I didn’t read it when I was younger
I’ve read absolutely zero Ovid
>>212597108
My parents have a copy of it, I’ll steal it and read it next time I go to their house
>>212597178
Scholars of Greek literature, it’s not the most accurate but it’s the best at getting the “spirit” correct

>>212596952
Because I don't know how to read Greek, dumbass. Go eat a pizza.

>>212597170
The only thing I really remember about history classes is that it was brief as fuck and the teacher was completely uninterested (and also w*man). Really the whole school experience was soulless.

>>212597248
Ovid is the man.
recently I read also Dionysus by W. Otto and then read the Bacchae (Euripides), recommended if you like that sort of gods of the olympus stuff.

>>212597178
>EOL
I know Latin and you probably don't

>>212597342
>teacher was completely uninterested
That's rough. History is also one of those things that you can just memorize quickly and forget, just to pass the course. So that's probably what you did if it was a drag.

>>212597310
do ESL /lit/fags really, how cucked

>>212597440
I studied latin it for five years along with greek, albeit.

We had a guy come in during high school and tell the story of the Illiad out loud during history class. It was like once a week for a month or so. He even brought props like coins of the era, spearhead in a glass box, example of fabric, etc and a couple of relevant pictures to pass around while he spoke.
Was supremely kino and the peak way to experience the story, nothing comes close.
Here I'm certain this was him it all checks out
https://artsfile.ca/ottawa-storyteller-jeff-wrights-making-hay-with-homer/

>>212595192 (OP)
no im not a fucking nerd sorry

>>212595192 (OP)
>reading
I ain't gay nigga, leave that fruity ass abcing to zesty yt pepoos

>>212597120
It's a superior language

>>212597965
exactly.

>>212595192 (OP)

I read it for the first time recently. I'm glad I have the basic cultural background now, but I did find it tedious. I use /lit/ regularly and I enjoy telling them that Thersites was the only good character.

Wtf Homer means with "black ships"?
Greeks painted their ships back then?

>>212598025
I'm reading it right now for the first time

>>212598061

Wait until you get right into the middle and every five pages it's the repeated simile about hunting a boar or a lion in the woods and the warrior is compared to a crazed boar or lion on the loose while another warrior is compared to the one who hunts him. I'm sure some professor has catalogued every instance of it, happens at LEAST five times and it's probably really more like 10-12 times. And no, I don't care that the point is to establish a poetic rhythm, a possible retort. Reading the same idea for a half page more than three or four times over 150 pages or so gets very tiresome.

>>212598040
pitch for waterproofing.

My mom read me a child’s version to sleep when i was young

>it's a Catalogue of Ships chapter
Was it autism

Yes I read the Iliad and I loved it
I was incredibly excited whilst reading it because I had been told that the Odyssey was a lot better and so I was looking forward to reading it but once I actually started reading the Odyssey I was very disappointed

>>212598232
catalogue of ships goes hard tho

>>212596879
You've got the same copy I do. having read it I think >>212597828 is right in that the true best way to experience it is having someone reciting it out loud to you, considering how it (likely) stems from an oral poem. The aeneid is a much better read thoughalbeitever

>>212598130
I'm not yet there.
I got a bit bored when he was describing all the heroes that came to fight in the war too
But otherwise so far it's a enjoyable experience

>>212598167
I imagined that, but why he specifically mentioned it?
I suppose all ships would be like that

>>212598407
Menelaus wasn't king of Sparta?

>>212596809
Because the warrior spirit of Greco-Roman civilization is what is necessary to become a saint. To be a saint you must be in constant warfare against the Devil. The more warlike Western Roman sphere triumphed over the Eastern part in so many ways, hence why Catholicism is greater in numbers than Orthodoxy today. Therefore, Catholic children must be first pagan in their aggression, discipline, and athletics so that they can balance that against the overwhelming love and peace of God that comes later. This roots out all the gnostic ideas of asexuality, absolute pacifism, and aloofness from reality which poisons us today from believers in corrupted Christianity.

>>212597124
Westoids usually have more limited education (which ends up being better and more efficient because we forget 90% of it), especially when it comes to classicism, history, literature and geography. I had to write a report on fucking Beowulf.

>>212598559
I’m pulling this out of my arse but I imagine poor people’s boats weren’t usually tarred (expensive endeavor), so black ship might refer to an actual warship owned by a powerful king or general.

>>212598688
>hence why Catholicism is greater in numbers than Orthodoxy today.
I'm pretty sure it wasn't because of that
>This roots out all the gnostic ideas of asexuality, absolute pacifism, and aloofness from reality which poisons us today from believers in corrupted Christianity.
But that's what catholicism teaches

>>212598636
he was, Sparta is in Laconia.

>>212598740
>reply 1
Post your reasons and I am confident that I can tell you why they are wrong.
>reply 2
No, it does not. In my sunday school we were taught about the rightful application of violence. Every other Sunday sermon we are told to volunteer more in helping the poor, old, and disabled, which is engagement with reality. The Archbishop here teaches that, and there is stuff in the Catechism that teaches that (not gonna waste time citing those parts, you can look that up yourself).

>>212598947
>Post your reasons and I am confident that I can tell you why they are wrong.
No going to bother
>No, it does not.
Wait you actually believe in that retarded religion?

>>212599172
This religion is retarded in comparison to what, Western man?

>>212598688
What about “the meek shall inherit the earth”? Lol owned

My teacher read the Aeneid aloud to us in Latin.

>>212599810
The beatitudes are about people with problems being satisfied by the power of God. So "the meek inheriting the earth" part means they will take on the attributes to rule the earth, which is what happened with Christians controlling the military through the emperor by God's power. The Old Testament is also full of such examples, with David, Gideon, Maccabees, etc. So to read this line otherwise is to read it out of context of God as a warrior God, and Jesus coming back as a white-clothed horseman, a literal crusader knight.