Does anyone else feel like the non-anglophone internet is just downstream of the anglophone one? Almost every meme and idea there originates from English 4chan/X/dŏuyīn. I have such a hard time trying to be interested in French and German internet for language immerson because it just feels like the English internet five years ago.

Its a downgrade in the sense that its almost always better to look for answers to a question in english, but I dont agree that interactions are worth less because the memes are different. Obviously memes that make it big globally are from the bigger population, and ideas/conversations that are exchanged in french/spanish/whatever simply have more to do with local things you might have no interest about.

I couldn't tell you.
I learned english in the late 2000s because if you had niche hobbies, the main thing you learned in francophone internet was "you'll find a ton more stuff in english" .
I have honestly not looked back.
Only cases where I use french online is when dealing with admin stuff, work emails and my family. My french friends are into the same sort of turboautistic hobbies and we often met online speaking english.
I have not been given a single reason to look back and go to francophone online spheres.

>>212645678
La nation française est tombée...

>>212645450 (OP)
can't relate, maybe 6-8 years ago you'd be right, but indogs has been at the forefront of dogshit internet memes for a while now, and trends from the English-speaking internet immediately gets localized within days.

>>212645450 (OP)
I don't think that's always the case. Japanese internet culture influences Anglo internet culture quite a bit for example.

>>212645450 (OP)
lol no i preferred the "anglo" internet years ago but nowadays the Spansih speaking one is better since the former has been invaded by Indians and Nigerians

>>212645450 (OP)
every single french online community is pure cringe

>>212645678
I hear this a lot from Japanese posters too, only even moreso.
They'll say things like "yeah I never thought about that until I learned English" or "we don't really talk about things like that".
Every culture has their own unique niche things only they know/care about but it's always challenging for me to imagine what it would be like to have learning a new language not just mean communicating with new people, but having things like special interests, hobbies, sciences, or even philosophical concepts opened up to you for the first time.

I imagine how it would feel in my head but it seems like I can never really know if that's how it actually is. But it feels disorienting.

Non non non non non non

>>212649156
From an outside perspective I always think of the spanish internet as a ragesphere, like in some ways a free for all because it's still foreign internet so pedos and the like aren't as restrained (though now pedos seem to have broken containment in the english net too), but just a lot of extremely angry people and cults mixed in with the general population. Not just south america but spain too.
But it might be because that's just the only time I ever hear about spanish internet, is them doxing and swatting some streamer over a perceived slight during a game tournament for minecraft or rust or something

>>212645450 (OP)
Japanese and Spanish memes are very popular on the Anglophone internet. Many /int/ memes came from Finnish imageboards.

>>212645450 (OP)
Biaised thread. You will only see French flags in this thread who suck and swallow anglo cocks here except me. I only use 4chan in anglo internet.
Even a fucking obscur Chinese law is translated officially in French, so you can learn Chinese law. Only two countries do this, USA and France.
I fuck hot you cousin woman btw, bitch

>>212645450 (OP)
Thirdie deep web (bordering surfac net) is still mostly untainted from anglo influence
And i'm talking true every day poorfag facebook closed groups and whatsapp and Instagram algorithm side of things, not the people posting on xitter

>>212645678
this, I don't use bg net

>>212650027
what does untainted by anglos mean, other than that you share cp?

>>212645450 (OP)
>>212649999
quads don't lie. I often find the opposite: the online anglosphere (especially Americans) has a really hard time realising that people who don't speak English at all might have very different mindsets than their own.
also even when the whole point of 4chan is to allow niche interests to thrive they can't wrap their head around the idea that by definition the most niche interests/ideas will not be in English and thus will stay inaccessible to them.

>>212645678
This is truly a curse for us anglophones as there is no incentive for us to ever learn another language

The Russian and Chinese internet are completely different

>>212650189
They speak about local media and news and have their own banter and memes that dont involve constant ragebait and neuroticism and snarkiness.

>>212645450 (OP)
Not here, there is a very funny meme subculture, also here the retard schizos that end up being celebrated in the anglosphere get humiliated and made fun of

>>212645450 (OP)
Russian internet is such a distorted version of anglophone internet that it becomes a whole new thing

>>212650283
America is the land of freedom but somehow all of your online piracy and "free speech" servers are in Russia or other foreign countries.

>>212650387
Yes piracy is illegal in America, we have very strong IP laws. Not sure what free speech servers you're referring to. 4chan servers are in San Francisco for example

>>212650333
yeah I met a few Italian leftist women and they were very inclined to call out "weird" people (including leftist and coloured ones) in a way that the anglo peer pressure would never allow now. it's funny because at the same time they were adamant at defending trannies. I guess they only learned half of their lesson.

>>212645450 (OP)
Everything here is very late in comparison to the rest of the world, specially since Brazil is pretty insular
We've been catching up since the 2000s but I'd still say we're 3-10 years late in average
Also same as >>212645678, everything feels like trickle-down culture from the outside, and what's inside is so mind-numbingly dumb that i completely gave up on looking up stuff in portuguese, i even only see news for entertainment because this country is just a circus
I haven't made a brazilian friend in years, i even met my gf in an english speaking Discord server when we found out we're both brazilian and live fairly close

>>212650537
Not him but you have weird shit laws. When people (minors) are bullied online in American sites like Instagram, sites from meta group etc, it's very hard to remove the content because "free speech". So French lawyers need to attack these sites to remove the illegal contents. Sometimes it can even be revenge porn

>>212650288
So basically, if you see anglo culture or whatever you perceive it as, you're forced to emulate it mindlessly and lose the ability to discuss local events even in your own language?

the japanese internet is pretty distinct (because almost none of them speak english good)

>>212650658
Yeah saying mean things to people isn't illegal here, not very weird

>>212645450 (OP)
yes even for major world languages like spanish and french (ones I understand), the internet feels very shallow and limited in content compared to the english internet, both in terms of quality and quantity, and whatever is there tends to be translated from english anyway, so much as well go to the source
in terms of trend and culture it mostly feels like it's lagging behind in general, but there are some unique stuff and variations that you won't find elsewhere
for more minor languages the internet is just social media and nothing else

>>212650254
I can think of some if you are into some VERY specific niches that do not really leave their own linguistic spheres.
Main one I have in mind is franco-belgian comics, which have pretty limited translations and not that much of an enthusiast network outside of the french language. Sure, you're better off speaking english if you want to get into it as a non-francophone, but most of the activity and discussion is in french.
Apparently the same happens with Hong Kong cinema. I'm not into it but that's something I hear from some friends who are more into films than I am. If you really want to dig in, you need to know some cantonese because there's a lot of untranslated ressources.
>basically : think of weeb stuff, but you'd actually need to learn japanese instead of learning so you can read stuff without the week long translation buffer

>>212650798
it's not illegal because you'll probably get shot for it
a self solving problem

>>212649789
Ignore flag, I'm from Croatia.

It's actually very interesting. I'd say Croatia (and the ex-yu sphere) has bit of a cultural divide amongst its younger population.
One one side you have people who are pretty much completely culturally isolated into that ex-yu sphere. These are the types of guys to shave their heads, wear tracksuits and fashion from 10 years ago, listen to turbofolk and believe in corruption as a god given right to them and etc...
while on the other hand anyone who is nerdier in the slightest pretty much has to know English as an entry point towards developing whatever interests they have further. The most basic being video games which is how most kids learn (or at least my generation did) English.
You want to get into Yu-Gi-Oh? English. Want to get into rock music or just music that's not from the Balkans? English. Internet use? English. This goes on and on and on.

Without English you're pretty much illiterate and closed off from literally the entire world around you.

>>212651021
same here, if you don't know english you're the typical nafritard, not even by choice as most of these people just have no way of learning about alternatives

>>212650968
>think of weeb stuff
it's funny you say that since us French were the original weebs. there was a time before the Internet where getting translated (and unedited) weeb stuff was easier in French than in English.
and yet none of the most degenerate consequences of weebery (catgirls, cosplay, moe, etc) seem to have hit us like they did in the US. they appeared there and came back to us afterwards.

>>212651248
France is also less obese. Maybe something about French culture just discourages degeneracy more...

>>212651248
>and yet none of the most degenerate consequences of weebery (catgirls, cosplay, moe, etc)
They have.
Ten years ago.
And the tumblr-era weebs grew up.
France just had a headstart because manga translation and sales started much earlier since the publishers saw it - correctly - as the way out of the slump they were in after TV made the publication magazines an unattractive entertainment offer.
But if you had been going to cons in the late 2000s, you'd have seen it. In a different form, it was still the hetalia age, but you get the idea. And if you don't then bless your sweet young soul for not knowing about the Yaoi Paddles.

>>212645678
Same, i like speaking french, but french internet is pure cancer and full of cringe neo-frenchs

>>212651573
>Ten years ago.
anon I'm sorry to tell you but the 2000s were 20 years ago.
seriously, these phenomena are native to Japan so of course we saw them here amongst weebs. but it's the US who normalised them and made them so widespread outside of teenage years, both online and IRL.

>>212652015
I mean, yes and no.
It was normal to read manga in France long before it was in the US, but the scale is what makes the difference, yeah.
I'd say that in France at least it's not more normalized than it was in the 2000s/10s, but it's more mainstreamed because the people who liked Naruto in their teenage years are now in their thirties. It wasn't abnormal for them then, it isn't now, difference is that now they have the budget to dictate market trends.
What's interesting though is that "french weeb culture" is a bit different from others in that it's still a bit more manga-centric (a byproduct of french weeb culture growing out of comic book collectors initially?) compared to plenty of weeb spheres that are completely focused on anime and video games. I don't know if that will last.

>>212651604
It's either that or a worse version of /pol/ with pseudo-tradis and alt-rightoids being permanently angry about everything.
I just wanna talk about hmong picture books dang it.

>>212650633
Is there any intellectual or artistic life in Brazil at all? I mean, the impression I get of the country is that it's one big bunda party, but surely that can't be the whole story.

>>212645450 (OP)
not at all, it's just your own projection
speak for your own internet

>>212652783
Barely any intellectual life, if you aren't from a rich family or EXTREMELY gifted, you might aswell say it doesn't exist, the average academic just emigrates because of this lack of incentive
You can have an artistic life i guess, but you'll have to be/deal with rich kiddies and the most stereotypical SJW types in this country, both receiving money from the government to make leftist propaganda, in other words we're pretty much culturally dead

>>212652783
No clue how active it is nowadays but the brazilian jazz scene was pretty cool in the 70s and 80s.
Look up Hermeto Pascoal. Cool stuff.

>>212645450 (OP)
I wouldn't be able to tell you, I haven't touched french internet since highschool. It's really small and pretty bad
There is not a single reason to stay on french internet if you know english

But what you're saying about internet culture is the same as culture in general. European cultures today are just american culture but localized. We dress like Americans, consume all American media, and start to think like them

Name something that you use/access on the anglophone Internet that you couldn't do in your native language

>>212653189
it's not that I couldn't, it's that there is no point. French internet is very small, very slow, and the culture is stagnant, it's not interesting, it's not funny, there is absolutely no point. English internet feels like it's 100 times bigger, far more diversity in cultures, opinions. Meanwhile everywhere you go on french internet it's just downstream of JVC culture. It all feels like it's stuck in 2012. All the novelty you find online whether it's content or memes are noticeably inspired by anglo internet, it's very obvious for people who browse it.

>>212650719
That's not what i said at all. I dont know why you're having an aneurysm about people not indulging in your "culture"

>>212649789
>>212651021
The world is turning into an Anglophone monoculture and I hate it. I need to learn another language ASAP.

>>212653457
Yeah but like the OP said, a lot of the non-anglophone internet is just downstream of the anglophone one. They use English slang terms and use Anglophone memes. You'd want to learn a language completely separate from the Anglophone internet, like Russian or Mandarin.

>>212653005
Interesting. Sorry to hear that. Why do you think this is?

>>212653529
Honestly, I think I'll just work towards getting off the internet.

>>212653531
Got burned out from academic life after graduating because i was grinding my ass off and barely got anywhere, and know it would only get harder with diminishing returns
And no one here really takes art seriously besides lefties who praise favelas and feminism, i make art and music as a hobby but just knowing what type of person is interested in that makes me want to hide it to not be associated with them

>>212653270
Don't forget about french youtube (cancer)

>>212645450 (OP)
Korean internet is completely different from the anglophone one and I hate that. This is the reason why I'm browsing 4chan

>>212645450 (OP)
You're browsing on /int/ that came out the german Internet. Just like Wojak.
These are Krautchan originals.