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>>212712624

Another day of studying Chinese
I saw 2 Chinese cuties at the park yesterday, but did not approach, as I thought they were a lesbian couple on a date (they were sitting on a park bench sort of snuggled up)

>>212757730
learn Hakka

daily reminder that Automatic Language Growth is the endgame for language acquisition and if you aren't following it, you are only hurting yourself.

>>212758606
never heard of it

>>212758855
>Automatic Language Growth
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4C25550A857F59F0

watch all 6 videos. it is the final redpill on language acquisition.

I'm learning Japanese just so I can watch the autistic spergout from nips and weebs when they learn I speak Japanese but I don't watch anime or know anything about it.
>I saw Akira once. It was okay.

Daily reminder that you can never do ALG right. If you fail, it's not because the method's garbage; it's you, anon. You "analyzed" too hard. You thought. Game over. This is totally not Brown coping and trying to find a reason why he couldn't make his own method work.

>>212759322
I think you'd get a bigger reaction if you littered on the street or didn't pay for a train ticket.

>>212758855
It's some weird cult by morons who think study is too difficult because they've spent their entire lives taking the path of least resistance through laziness, or most likely, incompetence. Their solution? Dont study grammar (you'll pick it up automatically) and don't speak (because you'll have a bad accent, which for some reason, watching 5000 hours of anime will cure) Neither of these retarded claims have any merit to them at all.

>>212759322
This is easy. Just spend 10 minutes learning 5 sentences or so and they'll say you're great even if you completely butcher the pronunciation (you will)

>>212759322
there's already plenty of people like you learning japanese who take pride in not liking anything otaku and no one cares. i hadn't watched any anime since secondary school but started watching it again just because it's a good learning resource

>Nature Method + Pimsleur + CI + Anki
Or
>Only ALG / CI
I don't know which to choose; neither side of the conflict has convinced me.
Are there any people here who have mastered the language at a high level that would allow them to discuss philosophy, art, physics, or play tabletop RPGs? Because that's the level I'm interested in as an end goal, and I'd also like to have impeccable pronunciation.

>>212759328
The real blackpill is that acquiring your native language has already damaged you permanently. ALG is really just wishful thinking, believing that there is a way to truly acquire a language as if you were a blank slate. You can replicate the process of acquiring like a native i.e. audio-visual CI, but you cannot replicate the original state of their brain which was untouched by language. You can't just "stop thinking" because you already see everything through a lens of language already, you can't remember what it was even like not to see through it, and you can't just choose to regress to the previous state either. Maybe there's some drug that can take down that filter temporarily and make someone incredibly receptive to raw language input, but that's science fiction territory.

>>212761492
Sounds like “damage” is just anything different from being literally a native speaker and is pretty different from objective or practical faculty.

>>212757633 (OP)
>>212757633 (OP)
I'm learning Hebrew with my proprietary 100% output method.

>>212761454
Please stop obsessing over methods and just learn the damn thing. You need words, tongue and ear training for the sounds, and grammar.
CI + textbooks/grammar/chatgpt/tutors/corrections/anything that teaches you etc is how you do this. It's not rocket science, it's just a grind

>>212761454
you basically need to go all in on one TL then. you're not doing that in multiple languages. it takes natives a while to do that themselves.

>be me
>extremely sad because I'm an incel
>cry myself to sleep because lonely
>ok, I guess I'll indulge in my hobby so that my pain goes away for some hours
>start inputting language I'll never use
>found a Youtube channel that has listening videos at my level
>it's two women talking about their boyfriends, ex boyfriends, and what they like in men
should I kill myself? I spent all day listening to this video, and I'm feeling pretty down
https://youtu.be/srbZcgOWepM

>>212761660
I can't. I was just studying until I started reading stuff here about ALG.
>>212763279
I don't learn multiple languages. Until I became interested in ALG, I studied an hour a day in a language that wasn't even on my radar. I just did my thing every day. Sometimes I complained, sure, but I did my thing. Now I'm afraid to touch anything.

>>212763593
because you have no good reason to learn any one foreign language. you're just bored. get a life and then it will become obvious, if you still even want to.

>>212763526
who tricked you into learning chinese?

>>212758855
ALG is when you jack off your tiny brown pp to pepa pig in your TL

>>212763720
back when I was a kid, everyone said I was smart, so I took it as a challenge. nowadays I failed at everything at life, and almost became a college dropout, but I've invested way too many hours in learning Chinese for me to give up

>>212763827
is it true that you can get better prices at chinese massage parlors if you speak chinese?

>>212763526
It seems like you deliberately went out of your way to click on a video that you knew would trigger your incel complex just so you could feel sad and torture yourself. Why not just watch literally anything else?

>>212763827
Literally me except i dropped out

>>212763869
I don't know. I've never used Chinese irl
>>212763885
I enjoy the feeling of being sad

>>212758606
ALG was made by lazy fags who don't want to study :3

>>212760036
>which for some reason, watching 5000 hours of anime will cure
Nope, 100+ hours of study is permanent damage which not even 5000 hours of anime and decades in Japan will fix

>>212763978
I am currently 28 and I still haven't graduated, so it isn't too late to drop out I guess. I only need to pass one more subject to graduate, but I already failed it 4 times and it doesn't seem I'll be passing it anytime soon

>Find duolingo word list for my TL
>2094 unique words
>Compare against frequency list
>1375 matches
Duolingers really learn the most pointless things, huh?

>>212764028
you don't study skills. you acquire them

>>212764418
>Oh no, I never once studied mathematics. Doing all that practice was not studying! No good heavens no!
Kys algae

>>212764505
being good at calculating arithmetic in your head or proving things, and knowing about math, are not the same thing.

>>212764567
Get a load of this freak of nature. Proper retard. Don't see ones like this very often.

Starting Nature Method + Pimsleur + Comprehensible Input + Anki. See ya later
>>212763690
I have. My reason is to work in Poland or abroad for better pay. And to talk with cool people, enjoying culture etc. And as I've already written, besides improving my English, I'll only be learning one language (French or German, I'll decide in the evening when I sit down to study before bed).
I was talking about methods now.

>>212763526
>>212764007
It's the symptoms of being insecure/unconfident because you haven't accomplished your goals so you convince yourself you're a "failure".
I have the same problem but it helped me to recognize the psychological battle that's going on. Your brain is litterally fighting against you. I'm not sure how to fix it because I'm still working on it too, but in my case I know if I keep grinding I'll eventually be fluent in my TL, and then that's one less thing to feel shame about.

>>212764686
>Starting Nature Method + Pimsleur + Comprehensible Input + Anki. See ya later
imagine being this stupid. you will have many bad habits that fossilize.

also you're not going to do either. stop making 4chan post ultimatums thinking that means anything.

>>212764769
>ALG fag thinking Pimsleur is shit
Lol

>>212764686
have you considered learning Romansh?

>>212764812
pimsleur is 100% shit

>>212764812
Ignore him. Those weirdos never learn (literally)

>What language(s) are you learning?
Rust, Haskell, Typescript, Shellscript
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Claude code based agent rules
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what's the pure fucntion in haskell
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add :: Int -> Int -> Int
add x y = x + y
>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!
Translate this into your target langauge
-We always prefer the simple and short over the complex and long.
-When we have the choice between simple or concise, we choose the simpler solution as long as we come nearer to our goal.
>Make frens!
hi, how is it goin?

>>212765309
Haven't heard this original joke before!

>>212765309
rust is deprecated

>>212764686
Sounds like a solid and varied method for input based learning that includes early literacy and output.

There’s this language tutor with her own line of beginner readers and I’m thinking of completing her readers and then finally hiring a tutor for my TL for once.

>>212765850
daria?

>>212758877
directed towards no one in specific, but towards that supposed ALG-ARG-LGBT-BLT whatever; how do i do this for latin
(no i didn't watch the six videos, not even the first)

>>212766846
answer is in those videos

>>212766846
Uh, well since it’s supposed to be all auditory I guess you’d need to become Catholic and attend traditionalist masses, go daily, and just listen along for like a year before singing along. I think a tridentine mass would give you something like 2,000 words of vocab and a lot of basic grammar. If the readings are in Latin that’s even better. Then you do probably just do any sort of reading the vulgate or going straight into classical authors I guess.

It’s a pretty retarded way to learn Latin though since Latin is especially easy to read. There’s a priest with an all Latin youtube channel, a vatican radio, and similar stuff out there.

>>212765091
teehee

>>212764418
Literally every one I've seen being autismal about learn/aquire was a beginner or still sucked after years and thought this is what would make them good.
Mattvsjapan and his cult have been a disaster for language learners.

>t. actually fluent in jap

>>212767112
no you arent

>>212767112
What's your opinion on Trenton's Japanese?
https://youtu.be/IyRprxC4B-Y
He basically did AJATT. Some grammar study and Anki, but mostly just trying to listen to a ton of Japanese, and then start reading later

>>212767112
You didn't do ALG so you cannot be fluent.

>>212764769
>stop making 4chan post ultimatums thinking that means anything.
I had problems with studying and asked for advice, now I just discussed the methods because I learned about new ones from you. But I do blogposting here, guilty
>>212765024
Unironically yes, I think that was the first time I heard about it, for a small moment.
>>212765795
Thx anon. This is how I was learning Spanish for a while, only without the Nature Method and generally I was not doing enough input I think

>>212768126
there are like 3 or 4 ALGods ITT who ALGpost

>>212761454
>mastered the language at a high level that would allow them to discuss philosophy, art, physics
you need to learn to read at a high level in order for that. natural method for basic conversation, speaking in general and early vocab and grammar and then you get very good by reading.

>>212768126
I am once again begging you to ignore ALG faggots. This shall be the last time. CI is important. Grammar is important. Speaking, listening, reading, writing is important. Just do some of this every day and you'll improve. The more you do, the quicker you'll improve. It's that simple.

Could any French person assess her linguistic abilities?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n53tFT1dQv8&t=239s
And this guy's too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bue05mPPoFw
>>212768239
None of them demonstrated their skills. I did, however, see a video of a Pole making fun of a Russian IPA user, claiming his method was shadowing. I liked his accents.
People learning Japanese don't use the ALG method either, and they're probably the most autistic about learning the language. But the fact is, I needed more CI and underestimated how important it is.
Worst case scenario, I'll have an accent. I'll try to keep it to a minimum. Napoleon and Joseph Conrad spoke with accents until the end of their lives so I can live with it
>>212768400
That's the endgame

>>212769827
The IPA user wasn’t shadowing. IPA is basically the polar opposite of shadowing.

>I did, however, see a video of a Pole making fun of a Russian IPA user, claiming his method was shadowing.
Can someone tell me if I can't write in English, or if this anon >>212770088 can't read English? The Pole used shadowing, the Russian used IPA.- that's what I meant. Did I make a mistake? Should I specify this somehow?
And ofc recording, not a video

The ALG fags will get bored if we just ignore them. See an American flag just don't engage with them. Not like they put any thought behind anything they post anyway, the mongoloids.

>>212770277
Americans do not understand English.

>>212770286
I swear he just popped out of literally nowhere a couple of days ago. All of a sudden its all anyone talks about. Beats Jordie I suppose.

Started studying IPA today, hoping it gives me a better way to remember some of the subtly different words that I always mix up. Seems interesting so far.

>>212770277
It's not wrong, but a little unspecific. I understood it as the Pole's method was shadowing, but I can see how others would read it as the Pole saying the Russian was actually shadowing.
Just a case where some extra words to clear up the ambiguity would be helpful.

>>212770286
There's a couple of good American posters. Just ignore the one who is being dogmatic about his shit method and it's all good.

I will be full B2 within the year

>>212770277
>a Pole making fun of a Russian IPA user, claiming his method was shadowing.

Okay, so you have two actors here, and one pronoun for the actor which is shadowing, the “he” in this sentence.

This naturally introduces ambiguity into interpreting your meaning. However, this does not mean that guessing correctly is a 50/50 split. The syntax of your sentence hints towards who “he” is. The wording of your sentence makes it out like the Pole is mocking the Russian’s method in part by claiming that the Russian’s method shadowing.

A mocks B, describing “his” object as an adjective.

I’m honestly struggling to find a way to explain this because this is really just a matter of proper style and wording things naturally. Basically, if I wrote your wording on an essay I would probably get marked for it, even though I’m a little unsure whether or not it is “incorrect.”

>>212770322
>>212770570
that's why I put a comma instead of writing "[...]of a Russian IPA user whose method was shadowing" or something like that

>>212770322
Yeah that’s why Anglos are held in international law for their learnedness. The reputation of their public school system knows no equal.

>>212769421
this doesn't in any way contradict ALG

>>212770774
And now I made a major typo so I look like a stupid nig nog darkie. Frick me in the ass.

>>212770756
It’s unspecific but leans towards my reading if one lacked context, with context I should probably have gone with your intended meaning, but then again that’s precisely why I responded the way I did.

>>212770597
>There's a couple of good American posters
Lol. Lmao even.

>>212757730
>>212757781
learn hokkien

Learning Latin vocabulary is like 1/20th as difficult as learning Japanese vocabulary. I honestly don’t see the value in flashcarding for Romance languages as a language speaker when input is so much easier to approach even as a beginner and to assimilate. I hadn’t opened LLPSI or my vulgate bible in like 6 months and could still read pretty much everything exactly the same.

In comparison with east asian languages every word feels like it has to be beaten into my brain and will slip out if not constantly reused and refreshed. I remember quite a few French words I learned half a decade ago and haven’t used since. So IMO if I ever dedicate myself to a Romance language I will probably entirely forgo vocab flashcards entirely and will just do a nature method book + CI.

>>212772467
I still remember most of the Norwegian I learned 15 years ago (it wasn't a lot mind) but I learned way, way more Japanese and I can barely remember anything after quitting it 6 months ago.
So I agree. I'd still anki goon european languages though.

>>212772467
I still find it helpful just at a higher level. For Portuguese I never needed anki for
>water, food, jump, etc.
But once I got into more specific vocab
>Branch, root, stick, twig, burl, knot, vine
It got a lot more useful

>>212765309
1st time seeing a korean here

>>212772467
portuguese brazilian is a lil hard, but when u learn full, is easy after

>>212772467
For 10 free/easy words there's 1 that piss you off, Anki makes sure you spend time and energy on this one.
Just binge 5k words or something in a month and you can read quality content without looking up every word.

any tried and tested methods of learning Russian.
I'm not trying to read Dostoevsky or anything, just want to impress the gyaldem

>>212774421
you will regret it

>>212774421
exact same tried and tested methods for every other language

>>212774421
1. Study Cyrillic and Russian pronunciation
https://www.youtube.com/@AmazingRussian
This is the best channel imo
2. Start learning some basic words to practice your pronunciation and reading
3. Learn about each of the cases, verb forms, etc
4. Learn function words

Hi, I need to learn French because I got a scholarship for a master's degree. Could you recommend some French YouTube channels? Not necessarily language learning channels like Easy French, but channels you watch regularly, on any topic. I particularly like science channels, so I'd appreciate any channels like that.

>>212775469
https://comprehensibleinputwiki.org/wiki/French

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4C25550A857F59F0

>>212775469
https://youtu.be/SurDmdEAqlw?feature=shared

Honestly the political/formal vocab has so many english cognates it’s pretty much all comprehensible if it’s political day one. I know a couple people who literally only can converse about politics in french for that reason. Look up any Macron speech for example and watch it. Plus you can meet a lot of interesting characters. I know this guy from TF2.

>>212775469
https://www.youtube.com/@kurzgesagt_fr

>>212777082
this channel is getting scary to me. started out as just a guy, now it's a network in multiple languages and used to be (or still is?) funded by the government
how does that ever happen

>mother does nothing but play duolingo to learn her 2nd language
>she got jealous when I told her I'm already doing comprehensible input in my third language
>says she's going to take up learning two language... on duoligno
>not sure how to tell her she will never even be able to comprehend her 2nd language unless she does more

>>212777825
you should tell her about ALG, its as useful as duolingo

>>212777825
Had a coworker talking about her 3 year streak in French that then mention she still can't actually read or watch anything real in the language.
It's good for the basics then after that it's a language themed "brain trainer" type game like used to be popular with sudoku.

>>212775469
https://www.youtube.com/@PeppaPigFrancaisOfficielle
https://www.youtube.com/@BenEtHollyFrancaisOfficielle
https://www.youtube.com/@AdultSwimFrance
https://www.youtube.com/@artefamilyfr
https://www.youtube.com/@ConfessionsdHistoire
https://www.youtube.com/@InaOfficiel
https://www.youtube.com/@Inasociete
https://www.youtube.com/@InfoouMytho
https://www.youtube.com/@karambolagefr

>>212777919
I think most players don't really give a shit about learning a new language and are just addicted to mobile games.

>>212777825
the final redpill is that people don't use duolingo to learn a second language

>watch 2000 hour dreaming spanish update
>they pronounce everything like they're speaking english

learning any language in the Standard Average European sprachbund only counts as half a language.

>>212780135
shut yo mouf

i just realized wiktionary has a whole section on 4chan lingo
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:English_4chan_slang

>>212780650
Should make an anki deck so newfags don’t ruin the culture as badly

I'm so sick of studying Japanese

>>212781081
me too, you don't know how many times i goon to hentai and doujins

https://youtu.be/onsIEvJxuoo?feature=shared
Anything good like this for Hangul? I found singing along to this super good for distinguishing all the similar consonants in Chinese so I figure I need something similar for Hangul with its aspirate/non-aspirated distinguishing.

>>212775469
https://youtube.com/@francaisavecnelly?feature=shared
Goon to nelly

>>212777710
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjHMoNGqQTI

bump

>>212778987
One thing that i have noticed is that foids tend to be slightly better with accents on average, probably because theyre more socially inclined o algo
Im currently thinking of accentmaxxing in my TL

Danish is a beautiful language. Would recommend.

>>212783266
i want to suffocate myself on dem AI diddies, god can you just imagine oxygen being slowly deprived away from you and every breath you take becomes harder and harder, your mind starts racing with thoughts going against your basic desires.

>>212783348
Ass > boobs

>>212781315
please rate them: >>212769827

>>212785741
Why?

I've been learning Chinese for 6 years and I still don't have a chink gf. How come?

>>212786637
have you tried talking to chinese women?

>>212786729
no

>>212786803
should've learnt cantonese

>>212785741
>People who want to learn french and make videos about it are all nigs lol

>>212786637
Move to chinkland

>>212764232
Idk where you found these lists but you should know that frequency lists are kind of a meme and you can't make comparisons like this so easily. Sure, the true frequency of a word will correlate highly with its position on a frequency list but once you're beyond the first couple hundred words you're going to find that the difference in frequency between the next several thousand isn't very big and you can easily make lists that don't correlate very highly with each other in this range depending on what sources you use to determine your frequency rankings. 1375/2094 isn't very low. I'd be more interested in how many matches there are out of the top 500 or even 100.
>>212761454
I'll tell you one thing, you should not be thinking at all about which method will lead you to your end goal

can germans actually read nietzsche? i swear this shit is harder than aristoteles, why is his language so zesty
even goethe is simpler zamn

>212788122>https://www.gutenberg.org/files/60360/60360-h/60360-h.htm#Page_
pretty easy as a German 2nd lang learner. Pedro, ich fürchte daß sie behindert bist (im ihrem Kopf)

>>212788260
>Pedro, ich fürchte daß sie behindert bist (im ihrem Kopf)
dass Sie seiet (in Ihrem Kopf)
du bist nur ein Scheindeutscher, hör vorzugeben auf

>>212788437
>sie seiet
its not the conjuctive but a simple indicative (Idiot)
und doch lese ich besser wie dir (ganz fließend)... HA ha HA
>hör vorzugeben auf
das ist kein Deutsch du Blockkopf
>dass
Kein esset is für Philister

>>212788122
What does zamn mean?

>>212786549
I'm curious about their approach and whether it's not a scam
>>212787902
Not only I think
>>212787959
I don't anymore. I only grind and watch how others grind in my sparetime

>>212788122
I read Nietzsche in english, it wasn't hard.
In general, I think german is difficult to read. English is a much finer language.

>>212789174
I read Nietzsche once and couldn't understand anything
Its literally just word sallad

>>212789352
Some of his books are more difficult than others. The Genealogy of Morals is straightforward. Read that, then Beyond Good and Evil, then The Antichrist, then Twilight of the Idols, then The Gay Science, and lastly Thus Spoke Zarathustra. Most people jump straight to Thus Spoke Zarathustra, which is a mistake.

comprehensible input can be really boring.

>>212789736
Sounds like I made a mistake
>>212789767
All the best content is objectively in English,
Good non English content exists but it doesn't even come close

>>212789767
That's just the part of Doing. The. Work.™ in the early stages of language learning.
You can try watching a dubbed show that you have already seen before in English.

>>212781081
You should interpret negative emotion as a signal that whatever you're doing isn't working and that you should change it up i.e. your method/routine/content, not your language.

>>212786637
Because you ask for dating advice on a mongolian language learning forum.

>>212789767
When I was starting out, the content itself didn't really matter, I was just excited that I could understand anything at all. Treat the content as just a means to an end, treat it like a game where the goal is to understand every sentence that it throws at you and you win +1 point for each sentence, then every 10000 points you jump to another skill level. Until you're intermediate and above, you can't really afford to be picky, it's just about getting through as many sentences as you can.

Which language is "COOLER" in your country: french or german?
Also bump

What level should I be if I've been learning Chinese for 6 years?

>>212793328
Depends on many hours youve put in

>>212793377
I didn't count the hours, I counted the years

>>212793462
The years dont really matter
What matters is how much time ypu put in every day and how consistently

>>212789767
This is the main reason AJATT is one of the only decently successful online language learning communities. They can always just fall back on a bank of 20,000 hours of Anime if they get bored and they typically get into it because they already love the media.

>>212793515
so you have no idea huh?
then why are you replying to me?

>>212778987
Was that the one with the weird dude with the stupid haircut who makes videos about "gender"? If there's more, I'd love to see it

>>212793656
Why did you ask the question if you have no idea how much time youve put in?

>>212793726
He's a GOD

>>212793328
does anyone know? I'm around HSK 5/B1, and many people are telling me that my level is too low

I know maybe about 5000 words of my TL now, I know the grammar. However, when I read or listen to it, even if I know every word in the sentence, I struggle to understand it. When I read the translation I'm suddenly like, "oh yeah that's what it means!". Any tips for this?

And I imagine some anons might suggest inpoot, but do I use english or TL subtitles, or should I not use them at all even if I don't understand?

>>212793211
French and it's not even close.

>>212794432
Just read more. I assume you're still early into your input (which is wild if you know 5k words) Use chatgpt to explain sentences if it's good for your language and slowly you'll pick it up

>>212786637
Idk sounds like a you problem. I met my gf after 1 year of university and like 3 years of total study.

Unrelated but I also passed the HSK 6 speaking yay

>>212794437
Really? I thought German is trendy now.

>>212794437
are most brits francophiles?

>>212794934
>Unrelated but I also passed the HSK 6 speaking yay
Congrats and based

>>212794934
isn't the speaking exam called HSKK advanced? HSK 6 is purely a written exam

>>212795218
French has been the "prestige" foreign language for nearly 1000 years. No languages are "trendy" really. We're generally a very ignorant country when it comes to this as you might expect from an arrogant, English speaking nation.

>>212795229
I wouldn't say so, no. French wine and food is still very popular among more affluent people, but the "plebs" don't really care so much.

>>212795229
No, you probably would get smacked for speaking french in England.

>>212796373
Doubt

>>212793211
lol. lmao.

>>212796579
>speaks french in England
>Shut up thou lily-livered frogspawn *gets a wallop across the face*

>>212796637
>>212796064
The Beatles, Franz Ferdinand had their adventures in the German-speaking world, there's this British guy in Germany, Germany is shown as a place for adventure in Europe etc.
French is more "pompous" in the Anglosphere I thought but not cool

>>212796579
you'd get hooked in the gabber

>>212796781
>>212796979
If i were anglo id be much more concerned about the ones speaking urdu than frogs, just saying

>learn russian or ukranian
>get 10 russian or ukranian girlfriends because gender ratio is so bad there now

>>212797078
Yeah, obviously.
>>212797187
The most brutal thing is that Ukrainian women left Ukraine for Poland, Germany, the UK, and other EU countries, as well as the USA. In the past, if you survived the war, you could return home to a plethora of single women. Now, when they come back, there will be nothing. It's absolutely brutal.

>>212796373
The problem is that we'd all get beaten to death and go extinct really quickly because our language is basically 50% french
>>212794432
try harder
>but do I use english or TL subtitles, or should I not use them at all even if I don't understand
how about you try all of these things a good amount and see for yourself

>>212794432
TL subtitles until you can do without them
don't use English subtitles, you end up relying on them too much to the detriment of picking up your TL

I added 7 cards to my drill deck

>>212777082
https://youtu.be/dF6EUZKjrU8
This nigga just called autism a grave illness bro I'm sobbing he did not just do us spergs that dirty I'm dying

can porn be used as input material? I spend 2 hours a day masturbating, if I could take advantage of that and learn my TL at the same time I would improve fast. Has anyone ever tried this?

Never ever goon

>>212787959
Duolinger cope

why do people attack ALG when it's basically just saying that we do in fact learn like children do but we as adults compulsively try to add in dumb stuff that doesn't help

>>212798058
The Francization of the Saxon tounge has been a disaster for the anglo race.

>>212798846
Pretty sure I recall some guy who claimed to use hentai as input for Japanese because he masturbated to it so much lol

>>212799093
He's right, frequency lists are useless beyond a certain point, language just doesn't work like that.
For example the frequency of the word 'nuclear' is 0.003%, 'uranium' 0.0002%, 'potato' 0.0007%.
Based on this if frequency lists worked it should be 4x more likely for any given text to contain both 'nuclear' and 'potato' than 'nuclear' and 'uranium'.
This is not the case.

>>212798846
Sure, as long as it's reasonably language dense. Regular porn has too much fucking and too little dialogue and story to be meaningful input, with the exception of JOI. Hentai manga/anime and visual novels are probably a better use of your time, but that tends to be exclusive to Japanese with only a fraction being translated into other languages. There's also erotic novels and short stories, but the average goonmeister probably doesn't have the patience for the slow buildup.

kind of wild that japanese is so hard but has so much content/input that it's probably way easier than it has any business being. imagine if japanese had no notable media

>>212799963
The only good Japanese movies that I can think of are Jackie Chan's

>>212800020
Based

>>212799151
Children learn by listening and speaking and reading and output and still take 15 years to get a decent vocabulary.
They spend the first 10 saying shit like
>did you ate my cookie?
They learn by what ALG claims is the most natural pure fail-proof method and still fuck up tenses and grammar and mispronounce things
Those mistakes only get corrected by outputting and having someone like a parent or teacher correct them

ALG is literally the worst case example. Learn like a child (you'll still "fossilize" things incorrectly like a child does) then wait literal years to actually use it just to have people tell you you're saying it wrong.

It took me 15 years to be a reasonably functional human in my first language and about 1 in my second using lots of input, mostly reading after getting the pronunciation rules down, and lots of conversations. If anyone wants to spend 5x the time just to avoid actually using the language I guess that's not hurting anyone though.

>>212800193
15 years? are you mentally challenged? a 5 year old knows 2000 words

also the fact that they have a native accent, native fluency, native understanding of what words are appropriate and when

>>212798846
yourbrainonporn.com

>>212800519
5 year olds do not have native accents and native fluency

>>212800519
2k words is nothing

>>212800576
no, they aren't an adult. but they do in fact have native accents and native fluency. they're children.

>>212800519
Sorry I'm not actually replying to you, just giving a general heads up to people that might think ALG is something real

>>212800637
It is very real.

https://bradonomics.com/brown-autobiography/

ctrl+F The Methods

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4C25550A857F59F0

>>212800576
How good they are depends on the child. There are five year olds who speak like toddlers. There are also articulate five year olds.

>>212800193
>They spend the first 10 saying shit like
>>did you ate my cookie?
No. Kids don't speak like that except maybe when they're little toddlers. 10 year olds definitely don't speak like that.

I suck at making mnemonics and I kind of don't enjoy it.

>>212800771
To add onto this, I was reading this book:
>Development of Nominal Inflection in First Language Acquisition: A Cross-Linguistic Perspective
The children mastered the morphology very early on. For example, the Spanish speaking children stopped making mistakes in gender and number by the age of 3 years old.

>>212800843
mnemonics are pointless in language learning

>>212800997
spanish adults make gender mistakes so this is a lie

>>212801752
Very rarely. Sometimes I even still make mistakes in English. These kids stopped staying things like "el flores" by age three though.

>>212798846
Of course

Are you even learning like a kid if you don't shit yourself daily though?

I learn like a baby which is why after 12 months of 24/7 input, i just say "googoo" and "baba", but sadly I think the damage has been done by them

>>212802058
A three year old has supposedly heard like 3,000 hours of speech and they still make grammatical errors until then. ALG is just impractical.

>>212801720
The reason I started was because I noticed there were some common German words that I encountered often but still always looked up because they didn't stick in my memory.
I thought if I could use some memory trickery, then I could at least save myself some unnecessary word lookups. But the amount of time and effort it takes to come up with a good mnemonic honestly seems like it isn't worth it, and I'd rather just look up the word repeatedly until I remember it.

imagine if algjeets actually put the effort they do into making silly spam posts on lang into actually learning their TLs instead, the progress theyd make..

ALG sounds like a weird anglo-cope for not having learnt a second language in school or even basic grammar concepts of their own. So many textbooks for foreign languages in English have to explain basic grammar concepts like "what is a verb, what is a noun, what are cases", it's painful, because we learnt our own grammar in school and know all this stuff.
ALG seems like cope trying to make language learning a weird and occult science that only works if you do it completely different from all the other countries that successfully teach their people a second, sometimes even a third or a fourth language up to university age without telling them to listen to CI for gazillion hours before they even may start think about reading or speaking the language.
Anglo cope.

>>212803534
Haha true. I had a halfway understanding of grammar even as a history major graduate. It was only when I worked through a Latin course that I properly learned all the terminology from a grammar coursebook that taught the english concepts alongside the latin since it was made recently.

>all of these actual faggots trying to attack ALG when it's the only verified way to acquire a language to a native level

>>212804742
Verified by whom? All we have are the words of Brown to go off of. I haven't seen evidence that there's any benefit to foregoing flash cards or grammar study at least.
>>212803534
I remember learning what verbs and nound are in elementary school, but I only learned about direct objects and indirect objects in Spanish class when I was older.

>>212802528
I'm not the ALG autist but this is a profoundly stupid argument. A toddler has to learn all sorts of abstract concepts in order to comprehend speech. They need to be able to understand object permanence and things like that in order to be able to understand words like 'world'. Even basic things like 'for' or 'between' are foreign concepts to a baby. Kids have to learn the whole meaning of every word they learn from scratch when learning their first language.

>>212804838
>I haven't seen evidence that there's any benefit to foregoing flash cards or grammar study at least.
you have no evidence for literally any of this shit you retard. soft sciences have no strong empirical evidence.

>>212805364
Then why are you so certain of ALG actually being so much better than other methods?
I've said this before, bur I haven't seen any video of a native-like ALGer. Their results don't seem any better than the people using flash cards and grammar textbooks as long as they take in a lot of input.

>>212805657
As I've hinted at in my post, we have tons of evidence that non-ALG methods work if you look at countries that actually make an effort to teach their students of various ages languages. During my time at school I watched several teenagers learn English and French to fluency. A friend of mine went to live in France, she talked as fast as natives.
All of them got the building blocks of the language via textbooks and teachers, and those that took it to an advanced level up to fluency or near-fluency consumed a lot of media of all kinds in their free time.

>>212805799
>my anecdotes are evidence
lol

>>212805657
The ALGers would love to come and defend their method. They have the best evidence you could ask for and plenty of it and they are an extremely helpful group of people always looking to share their way of life with others and make new friends. However, it's dangerous for them, since we discuss linguistics here there's a chance that we'll accidentally damage them so they can't come here and have that conversation with you.

still haven't seen a single algjihadist post in anything other than English

>>212806147
One of, if not the biggest evidence they have comes from a teacher who made 5 holy copes as to why he failed at his job of teaching his students.
Really great method, aye.

>>212805202
You're alright. Don't go to /lang/ tomorrow.

kiffé vou mon poème originale ? :^D
https://pastebin.com/apbu3wHh

>>212806120
>yeah i know you just learned 10 languages while doing everything ALG says youre not supposed to but it doesnt count

>>212807837
is that your fantasy?

does anki count as good input
I feel like most of the time all I do is anki goon

>>212804742
The reason it generates annoyance isn’t because it states that you actually have to use a language to learn a language, which is true, it’s that it goes farther by saying literally any study aids or even reading or any output is damaging.

People criticizing ALG aren’t saying you should just spend all your time with a grammar-translation text. They’re just saying that study aids have their place if one wants to make use of them, and that output is fine. You’re being so misleading that you’re practically lying when you say ALG is the only way, by conflating input itself with the dogmatic views of the ALG community. Some input oriented people say talking a bit early is great, and they’re still using input, the only way to learn.

I am resisting the temptation to study Russian in the worst possible way

I will say I feel like I saw the most progress in understand when I watched videos every day

>>212808336
No
Plus you're doing it wrong if you're spending so much time on Anki every day. Limit to ~20 new words/day.

>>212808336
no

what the fuck is ALG

>>212808859
Since they refuse to state it succinctly, it’s basically total input purism to the extreme of even learning the script or reading until you’ve already become able to understand most conversation.

So, unsubtitled input purism.

>>212808859
It's a method that says manual study (pronunciation drills, grammar study, vocabulary memorization, etc.) is harmful. You have to listen to at least 1000 hours of the target language and become verbally fluent in it before you should talk or learn to read, just like a 5 year old. 100 or more hours of speaking or reading before this foundation is built is said to cause permanent damage, that is, it permanently stunts your ability to speak without an accent or have sentences come to mind without thinking.
Dr. J. Marvin Brown coined the term in his autobiography.
https://bradonomics.com/brown-autobiography/
Honestly, I'm very skeptical of it, though.

>>212808409
Russian is a mistake

>>212808859
the best description is the presentation given by basically a disciple of the researcher behind it

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4C25550A857F59F0

anybody who actually watches this will not bother with any other method.

Time spent talking about methods is time wasted that couldve gone to learning TL

don't learn Russian

>>212809123
>>212809091
ah that's what people do to watch anime right? i don't have a problem having a slight accent (and even kind of like it) and from my journey so far i doubt any of this is true. sounds like a collossal waste of time.

>>212808725
I only do like 10

>>212809794
The anime guy’s methods are actually pretty solid but it’s because they use subtitles and a popup dictionary to make flashcards of vocab and read through a grammar book

>>212810670
If youre talking about ajatt/khazmutto yeah thats not ALG at all. Its just very input + listening heavy. He read plenty, looked up words from the transcript and studied grammar and kanjii. And he has among the very best japanese youll ever hear from a foreigner. He's good enough that he can trick natives over the phone.

>>212811358
His accent in particular is really impressive and his results btfo ALG because it basically amounted to doing the entirety of Remembering the Kanji and Remembering the Kana, then studying 7500 sample sentences using mnemosyne (ancient anki) THEN doing massive amounts of input every day.

Although his blog was unclear when I read it on whether he did the kanji and sample sentences before he started doing subtitled input, it still BTFOs ALG if he did subtitled input at the same time.

>>212757633 (OP)
Which one is correct
>we can still be friends
>we still can be friends
Whats the difference?

>>212757633 (OP)
Serb-kun, could you please post that sort of roadmap for leaning German you made once?

>>212789767
This 100%. Seriously, besides Japan, what the fuck are the rest of you doing? You can't make *any* fucking content? If you are learning English, you're spoiled. We have content. We have things to offer. There are languages out there with fucking NOTHING to consume.

>>212812386
Thankfully Brazil has decent dubs of pretty much everything.
It's not quite as good as real native content, but it's better than watching novellas.
A couple streamers are acceptable too but listening is tough to practice.

>>212812386
https://comprehensibleinputwiki.org/wiki/Main_Page

incredibly autistic video but i want to say how strange it is that this random american, who stresses multiple times that he does not speak german and is self conscious about his pronunciation, speaks far better than most people who have been learning german seriously for extended periods of time
whatever his secret is, just do what he does, some of his pronunciations sound like he's been living here for years
https://youtu.be/eyEX-zpLDHg?si=Q2RdXpo__2Q6Vw2j

bump

I’m doing the work. Are you?

>>212814338
Based

Watchin old dubbed adult swim
Can't imagine this stuff was particularly popular outside the states even when it came out.

>>212814338
Two and a half minutes a day for two and half years is not "doing the work".

>I want to learn my TL so I can _______.

For you, what is this?

>>212814338
They don't have any course that justifies this streak length. At this point you should have switched to immersion for years.

>>212814338
nice show a picture of the work you do

>>212811943
I'd be more likely to say the first.
>We c'n STILL be friends
The "a" is almost gone. "We c'n" kind of sounds like "weaken" here.
The other one is read more like
>We STILL CAN be friends
I don't think there's a real difference in meaning here, though. The stress just happens to be different when the word order changes.

Hellotalk is just an international tinder.
I fucked 2 Brazilian women from that app and got nudes from a few more

>>212811956

>>212814630
So I can stop feeling like a loser

I've been extremely motivated recently
I have read 300 pages of French and 30 pages of Japanese the past 5 days
Imagine how far I could get if I did this all the time instead of just in bursts? Yet I don't

>>212818867
I want to learn my TL so I can know my TL.

>but whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?
Knowledge is its own reward. Simple as.

>>212814630
I want to learn my TL so I can know my TL.

>but whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?
Knowledge is its own reward. Simple as.

>>212808336
You are technically getting some minimal input gains if you use sentence cards and if you actually bother to read/hear the entire sentence, otherwise not really.

do the right thing throw Russian in the bin

>>212814338

I don't hear the difference between ə and ɜ

I want to learn Russian

>>212823174
no you don't

>>212814614
>>212815875
That's exactly what I do. I mostly watch and listen to stuff in my TL and do Duo at the end of the day for 2 minutes.

I'm gonna be a rebel and speak using Argentinian/Rioplatense accent but use Mexican slang. Might add vosotros for fun too.

>>212824271
vosotros + vos is going to be confusing

>>212813504
Imagine if he put all that effort into learning a language

>>212824271
Don’t forget to conjugate your 2nd person verbs with -is

>>212823174
Russian sucks. Each word is actually like fucking 12

ya nye ponyumayu

>>212817902
refold stupidity

you'd be better if you did 1000+ hours of visual CI, and then begin speaking, and then introduce reading, and finally writing. grammar would be at the end and optional.

you know, like all natives acquire their language, and are far superior to you even after all of your efforts, because refolds method doesn't work.

all anybody needs to do if they want to start is to find an actual legitimate website that does nothing other than CI videos for that one language. it should basically just be a german person talking to you as if you're their child.

like this https://www.reddit.com/r/dreamingspanish/comments/1hv84dq/huge_list_of_german_comprehensible_input_resources/

found this on the first link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9C44PCDNkw&list=PL_VCREGnvRpdRDfHe57eFqZQz9P5v-pyB&index=24

watch videos like this, slowly increasing in level every 100 hours or w/e, and after like 1000+ hours, you can start doing other things.

we learn in the exact same way that children learn.

>>212825236
How many languages do you speak?

>>212825272
algjeets dont know any language other than english

>>212825272
>>212825326
post vocaroos so we can hear your bad accents, poor use of vocabularly, and lack of fluent speech.

>>212825272
>>212825326
If you're attacking ALG then you don't know any language other than your native language. Only people who have practiced ALG actually know multiple languages. You can write some memes on 4chan? You don't know a thing.

>>212825236

>>212825665
see >>212825372

It was a genuine question...

>>212812386
>>212789767
Pop-up dictionaries have eliminated the need for CI for most languages. Any material becomes comprehensible when you can just click and see what the word means. This is so much more enjoyable and time-efficient than traditional methods that it's stunning that so many people don't use it.

The only time this isn't true is for difficult languages like finnish/arabic/east asian languages that don't work well with the pop-up dictionary. because of their complicated morphology. But what we need for that is to develop more advanced morphological parsers rather than more CI.

>>212825178
Я тoжe нeт(

>>212825372
>>212825628
https://voca.ro/14jC7OEMAKsQ

>>212814630
prove to myself that I can

>>212826392
GET THEIR ASSES SWEDEANON

Is it me or is listening kinda hard? I'm studying for the HSK 5 and the listening part is kinda insane, I don't understand shit

>>212826874
It's the hardest part imo

>>212826874
it's not just you, our tls are vastly different in difficulty but listening to and understanding spanish is a real task. only solution is probably more listening

>>212826392
What language is this?

>>212826874
average refolder experience

>>212827580
Polish

>>212827580
Kashubrian

>>212826231
If you're looking up all or most words, though, I'd still say you need CI or to just do Anki first for the 1-2k most common words

>>212825236
I haven't seen anybody refuse ALG, just attack it because it says they have permanent damage. Like, get over it. Life isn't fair. Pick a new TL or accept that you'll never be fluent in your TL.

>I'm a 28yo incel skinny fat virgin neet but if I do ALG I'll be motivated and the best of the best just like in my reincarnation isekai
>I still didn't start obviously and I fucked up my dopamine for today gooning 3 hours but just wait I'll show you!

>>212828326
>refolder
?

>>212812386
If you have some standards jap is terrible because all their media suck. If you're a manchild then there's anime and shit but good luck finding good books, comedians, youtubers etc.
Hiroyuki provides hours of content daily but he's barely average in intellect and his worldview is very limited.
Started spanish last month and I can read 2666 which is miles better than anything Japan ever created.
Learning french must be a pleasure nowadays but I'm already fluent.

I just rewatched a video I saved last year that was nearly pure noise to my ears and this time I understood almost everything

>>212830069
comedy is gay, and there's billions of jap youtubers. Nowt wrong with cartoons either. Most Western media post-2000 has been dogshit anyway and video games are still the peak and always will be.

The language is fucking awful though, but their content is great.

>>212830069
>Started spanish last month and I can read 2666

>>212831736
Being fluent in French helps

>>212829333
I haven't seen any ALG poster claim they learned a foreign language with it. Even the brapzillian from a year or two ago never finished his ALG journey.

>>212831736
I meant I can use it to learn, I need to check a lot of stuff obviously.

bbump

There needs to be a way in anki to set the 'days' to be shorter than 24 hours

like 6 hour 'days' for multiple sessions per day

this is more in line with research in cognitive science (memory decay is strongest during the first few hours after learning something) so having it set to 24 hours before isnt optimal if youre a serious learner.

It's like triple the ROI to do four 30 minute sessions in a day rather than one two hour session.

Almost done with radicals.

Bump.
What and why are you learning your TL? How are your studies going?
I've been wondering all day which languages to learn, I've studied at least a minimum of French and German, but generally I was lazy all day

>>212800771
>10 year olds don’t speak like that
Assuming pre-school, a 10 year old has 7 years of formal education in America.

If you want the consequences of pure ALG you have to find people who didn’t pay attention in school, which is just people who speak in ebonics.

>>212800997
I ain’t finna gon read allat nigguh

After getting the language learning bug about a year ago and dabbling with chinese and japanese for fun, I have finally decided to properly commit to learning Korean, with fairly modest goals because I am going into my last year of grad school.

Here’s my method for the first 5-6 months:
1. Pimsleur for getting talking ASAP. I have Koreans I need to speak to. Can just plug a lesson a day on my morning walks and finish in 5 months. Built in SRS to acquire minimum core vocab.

2. FSI Basic Korean Volume 1. 18 odd lessons out of the 50 or so in the total text. Volume 1 was actually remastered a while back. Teaches core essential grammar, will reinforce some basic vocab and phrases, can just gradually work through it at like 1 lesson a week or something.

3. Self-paced anki mining with Yomitan. Mine whatever words I want at whatever pace I want from native content or a basic reader. Avoids overload/burnout that I have experienced with frequency based decks where I spend so long learning there/that over there/this over there/ etc. that would be better covered in Pimsleur. Instead I can day one start doing immediately personal and interesting nouns mainly for proper early expression and comprehension while my courses will cover the most essential basic vocab.


Post-6 months I will hire a tutor, do FSI volume 2 at whatever pace seems best, and input + mine. And talk with my Korean friends.

My thought is that input + mining works best for what I really want to know while courses work best for what I really need to know, so mixing the two is a recipe for just getting sick of the language.

Today I spent the whole day inputting listening and my listening hasn't improved one bit. WTF?

>>212836071
as far as I know yomitan doesnt work as well with korean

>>212835523
I ain't studying shit. I just input.

>>212837647
Same

>>212837679
Based

I don't even know English

>>212836987
I already set it up. It’s certainly not as good as japanese, but I can at least get a word and a definition easily. The issue is homophones, but I actually know a lot of hanzi and intend on chipping away at remembering the hanzi, and my dictionary includes Hanja, so that helps me distinguish them.

>>212837711
do you know what I'm saying right now?

>>212837743
What?

>>212800997
if you scriptoriumgoon for 100 hours you'll probably master every aspect of the grammar of your TL so it's not surprising

>>212837918
Scriptorium by hand is fucking amazing for retention. I haven’t touched LLPSI in a year or Latin in general really and I’m basically at the same level as I was when I stopped after doing hand-scriptorium of the first half of LLPSI. (And did not do the second half of the book at all).

>>212836558
You notice it more every 50 hours
Spending 6 hours watching TV, if you can handle it and you can pay attention and understand, helps you get there faster, but won't give you immediate results

>>212835632
Black people speak like that because their friends and family do, not because they didn't pay attention in school. It's a dialect. If you meet a child that's 5 and doesn't have AAVE speaking family, they'll speak standard American English, full grammatically correct sentences and everything.

>>212838189
>>212838189
>>212838189

>>212838175
Shieeet nigga, you be spittin' facts frfr on gang.