why do they love China so much?

don't trigger our resident paid shiller leftists please

>>212805044 (OP)
because trading with the US is bad business, gotta resort to China

>>212805044 (OP)
Chinese are to us what indians are to the west

Except with all the benefits and none of the downsides

opportunistic to a self destructive extent

>>212805044 (OP)
They dont, they mostly just want to not be tied to the whims one country, so they open their options they still want to do a lot of bussines with the US but the US throws a fit because it wants to be only one and wants full control.

>>212805197
quite accurate

the USA is the western hemisphere hegemon since the XIX century, and has brought us nothing but poverty and coup d'etats

China is actually a source of hope for this region to become more independent and being able to balance both powers

>>212805044 (OP)
Like Chyna, they wan't to end the white man's grip on global power

Up until the very end of the 20th century, Latin America was extremely dependent on the USA, who saw Latin America as their backyard. Isolated in their corner of the world, the USA was their main trade partner, and almost all imports came from the US. China suddenly appeared in the 2000s as an alternative that can compete with the USA

>>212805044 (OP)
The average joe likes cheap Chinese products. Our elites like that they buy our commodities.
Also these
>>212805132
>>212805197
>>212805283

>>212805044 (OP)
Because they bring car manufacturers, bio-oceanic railways, advanced telecoms projects.
The other side brings NGOs, WOKISM, sanctions, political interference and coups.

>>212805379
China is the EUs biggest exporter yet you don’t see the love like you would from South americans, if anything China is seen as controversial.

>>212805525
because Europe actually benefited during the Cold War from being under US hegemony because of the threat of Communism.

Meanwhile South America was deeply under US hegemony and had no competitors, hence there was no need to actually invest and direct efforts towards the region

>>212805525
Defending the Chinese development project and its relationship with the planet is not about loving China.
I only love Brazil, and precisely because I love Brazil, it's my moral duty to defend China's trade relations project.

>>212805525
Because China is a competitor to their industries. For example, BYD et al are a nightmare to their auto industries. We are too much of a backwater continent to have an industry to be threatened in the first place.

>>212805525
Europe's is America's dog, of course they won't like China when America hated China so much. Now that Trump is throwing a wrench into the America-Europe relationship, we're already starting to see Europe-China relationship getting a little bit stronger as a respone

>>212805044 (OP)
makes americans seethe. simple as that

>>212805658
Americans don't give a shit. More like: USA makes leftists seethe 24 hours per day

>>212805525
EU is the golem's golem

>>212805044 (OP)
Bolivia has had 200 coup attempts in 100 years.
It's very easy to like China kek

The US is to LATAM what Russia is to Eastern Europe.

They installed shitty dictatorships and couped everyone who didn't followed their interests, which is why there are so many 5th columnists who would gladly sell their country to appease the US. Usually with the right.

Not that i love communism or anything, the liberal left(at least in BR) are also a bunch of 5th columnists who would love to let US/EU NGO's to run rampant in the amazon, thus fucking the development in the region.

China on the other hand, have never tried to forcefully shift to their interests in the region(yet), never threatened tarrifs/sanction if we didn't trade with them.

Overall trading and the overall relationship of LATAM with China is much more easier and straightfoward.

>EU wants a trade deal
>EU stalls the deal for decades and are always changing the topic and making more retarded demands (muh environment) when everyone knows damn well they're scared of Mercosul agro
>Deal stays in limbo

>US wants a trade deal
>US also makes some retarded demands, but if you back away from the deal you get tarrif'd, because communism o algo
>Deal also stays in limbo

>China wants a trade deal
>China pays with money or infrastructure
>China also installs factories in your country if necessary
>No retarded demands
>No faux-moralism
>Deals go smoothly

It's not about ideology, it's simply because working with China is much more easy.

>>212805044 (OP)
They don't make imperialist stuff like coups and military interventions

>>212807255
kek this seething about europe too
you learn your place thirdie

>>212807284
>implying arresting socialists is bad

>>212807255
>The US is to LATAM what Russia is to Eastern Europe
Do you even realize how insane that statement is

>>212807430
Leftist monkeys are mad as fuck because Trump is castrating their idols.

>>212807424
>>212807468
yes, we should all flee to the USA and ask the US president to make us poorer to own the commies

>>212807430
Look, you guys can suck their cocks for protection if you want, it's fine.
Tankies does the same here when it comes to China.

But it's a fact that the US is a very shitty neighbour.

>>212807483
>>212807486
Now tell me what Venezuela improved selling their asses to China? Literally nothing lmao, they are even worse than 2010

>>212807527
Leftards don't care about Venezuela.

>>212805091
>don't trigger our resident paid shiller leftists please
Le BRICS literally abandoned Lula lol

>>212807486
I see what you're trying to say, but it simply isn't the same. US never occupied Brazil and killed millions. I don't know if you want to get into the "supporting dictators"-part, but suffice to say, that's not really why EE hates the USSR

>>212807613
Do you think leftist monkeys from Latin America care about the truth? They don't care.

>>212807613
>US never occupied Brazil and killed millions.

They couped democracies and gave guns to cartels.

I don't care if the govts were left or not, that's up to the people of the country to decide.
But when you start couping shit left and right, you're bound to have reactionists.

After the coups, a fuckton of socialist/communist groups appeared in LatinAmerica, mostly funded by the USSR to degrade shit even further.

Worst case being Colombia where they've been in a civil war and had half of their country under militia's control(both communist and nationalists) for almost 50 years.

>>212807527
>>212807566
>>212807644
Yes, precisely because we are just like Venezuela that we should be happy that the US government is tariffing our economy. Our people becoming more miserable is a fair price for freedom

Freedom ain't free!

>>212807613
> US never occupied Brazil and killed millions
Because they didn't have to, our governments always folded the moment they were threatening to invade. In 1964 they brought the USS Forrestal to basically coerce the economical elites agaisnt the government to support a military dictatorship. We never really had a way to actually oppose their economic or military power.

The sole opposition came from guerrilla groups which weren't really a fighting force against the USA

>>212807729
Killing socialists was never a bad thing. Based USA

>>212805044 (OP)
Os Gordos Zunidos vende baratinho? Nope? Entom vou comprá de quem vende mais baratinho... simples assim... porque eu não sou obrigadas... pois é...

>>212807729
Considering how shit Latin America is nowadays because of communists and social-democrats, it was not a bad thing.

>>212807527
>Venezuela é o país da América Latina que mais recebe investimentos da China
https://www.bbc.com/portuguese/articles/c204jl8zzv8o
Also, things are going South to Venezuela because the US sanctioned them to buy cheap oil. Trump explicitely said so.

>>212807729
I would support another coupt et tat again. Brazil was richer in dictatorship.

>>212807820
What would be the best way for Latin America then?

What policies should be made for economic growth?
What policies should be made for more social cohesion?

>>212807613
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Brother_Sam

>>212805044 (OP)
É mais barato... veja... 100% chinés... 0% estadunidensis... pois é...

>>212807853
>Venezuela is shit because of USA again

So you are saying Chinese money is useless? MY FUCKING SIDES.

>>212807729
And here's the difference: Eastern Europe doesn't blame Russia for what EE did to themselves, but rather for what Russia did to them. Includes torture and mass murder. Supporting a dictator is bad but it's not the same, if that were all it is, EE wouldn't give a shit

>>212807890
>Brazil was richer in dictatorship
And safer.

>>212807756
>Because they didn't have to, our governments always folded the moment they were threatening to invade
Doesn't this just make you look shitty? Ukraine didn't fold under russian threaths

>>212807890
Ignoring the foreign debt that always arrives.

>>212807890
Brazil was a lot better in dictatorship. Leftists didn't improve nothing. Every improvement was due to private companies.

>>212805044 (OP)
without china my shithole wouldn't survive, we need the SWAP, milei could do it with america but trump is kinda a retard desu

>>212807921
I'm not saying any of that you disingenious retard. The US destroyed it before China started investing. Venezuela grew 10% last year, but it's a country recovering from a major economic crash. What you are saying is akin to saying that surgery doesn't work on a broken bone because the result isn't immediate. You are stupid and I will not be talking to (You) anymore.

>>212805044 (OP)
Por que seráááá...???

>>212807808
based

>>212805641
Your country is so repulsive even you can't stand to live there.

Chinese nationalists are a plague that need to be wiped out, actual Singaporeans know this more than anyone

>>212807808
>>212807916
>>212808025

Why are you not posting the pic I did for you?

>>212805044 (OP)
I don't 'love' them, i like their cheap products and their competition with the US actually benefits the whole world, competition drives innovation.
>>212807964
There was no resistance because the coup was internal, americans just supported it.

>>212808093
Ai pára... miapaixonei dinovu...

Genuine question, what is wrong with Brazilians, why is it so hard for you to maintain normal relationships with Americans, you would prosper far more than if you kept trying to larp as some multipolar third world protectionist shite.

Give the south independence

>>212807925
It's not about comparison which one had it worse, it's about having a shitty neighbor.

Now ofc, LATAM's own incompetency is the majority of reasons why, specially the elites who sees their own countries more of an "extraction zone" than their actual home. (They all have foreign passports)

Latin America would love nothing more if the US simply ignore the continent and focused on China or dying to Israel in some jew war in the sandbox.

But everytime they do try to do something, it's either the 5th columnists, simple incompetency or the US trying to stir up shit because they don't like what's going on.
Example, the 50% tariff, which btw the whole "it's because of Bolsonaro" it's a total bullshit and bogus reason, he did it because of the latest BRICS meeting in Brazil.

Man, I fucking hate leftists so much. Venezuela will have a recession of 2% this year. Why do these fuckers don't care about the truth????

>>212808146
they think they're on our level because they're big but they're just soccer mexico.

>>212807997
>>212807960
>>212807890
Funny as the dictatorship only became safer and richer when it stopped being supported by the USA. But you are a USA shill that only cares about sucking Bolsonaro cock so who cares

>>212808116
>There was no resistance because the coup was internal, americans just supported it
That's what I mean, you're blaming US for what you did to yourself

>>212808192
Leftists of this country are arrongant as fuck. Normal people know this country is an undeveloped shithole and irrelevant

>>212805044 (OP)
cause they trade with south america while pushing none of the globohomo.

when whitey goes to South America, they usually require the men to start sucking each other's cocks while China just wants to do business

>>212808186
>estudos

Reality

>>212808262
This shithole doesn't even has trustworthy sources. Commies really destroyed Veneuzuela

>>212808291
La CEPAL es una de las cinco comisiones regionales de las Naciones Unidas y su sede está en Santiago de Chile.

>>212808322
Leave my country.

>>212808338
I'll never leave Brazil kek.
I don't need dishonesty and false statements as an argument.

>>212807964
Different from Ukraine there isn't a USA to supply us back then with a navy or weapons against the aggressor
>>212808233
Yeah, just like Ukraine or Georgia. It's their fault that they have elected anti-russian presidents

>>212808322
>Spanish
Come back

>>212808262
>6,2%
this is a joke right?hahaha

>>212808176
>It's not about comparison which one had it worse, it's about having a shitty neighbor
It kind of is, in regards to the post I was originally replying to
>Now ofc, LATAM's own incompetency is the majority of reasons why, specially the elites who sees their own countries more of an "extraction zone" than their actual home
Bro that's Russia. No-one wants to be Russia's extraction zone. But that's not the issue, the issue is war, invasion, occupation and mass murder, which US has not done to Latam

>>212808403
Not even leftists believe in this shit. They know it's fake data. They don't care about the truth, only about the agenda.

>>212808406
>the issue is war, invasion, occupation and mass murder, which US has not done to Latam
Because different from Eastern Europe, there aren't other countries supporting the opposition to the USA. But if there was we would had certainly seen some proxy wars like in Ukraine

>>212808403
Venezuela has been growing for three years now kek.
but nobody will talk, especially the countries that have systematically bullshitted Venezuela.

Brazil tem conexões diretas com a Chinas... navios aportam diretamente da China nos portos Brazileiros de Santos e Paranaguá... e aviões em diversos aeroportos no Brazil... trazendo produtos importados super baratos e escoando para toda a América do Sul...
Não é difícil entender...

A única forma dos Gordos Unidos combater istuos é afundando navios chineses e derrubando aviões chineses... pois é...

>>212805044 (OP)
How many times has chine fucked us up?

>>212808429
bro, even if its real, venezuela gdp fell like fucking 50%, it doesnt matter if one year they do +6%
people need to understand the data they are reading before posting.
yesterday they detained the people on charge of meassuring inflation and was the only country not able to post the data.
venezuela is a literal chaos and everyone worth already left the shithole

>>212808384
>Different from Ukraine there isn't a USA to supply us back then with a navy or weapons against the aggressor

>Yeah, just like Ukraine or Georgia. It's their fault that they have elected anti-russian presidents
You seem to be confusing election meddling with invasion
I don't think you understand. In EE you either suck dick or fight back

>>212808406
>But that's not the issue, the issue is war, invasion, occupation and mass murder, which US has not done to Latam

I literally just told you about the USSR funded militias in Colombia my man. It's the effect of the US's past shitty geopolitical decisions in the continent.

>>212808186
>>212808262
>>212808291
>>212808584

Yes I agree, look at Venezuela!

It's certainly valid for Trump to tariff our whole economy and make us poorer to save Bolsonaro!

Better DEAD than RED!

God Bless America!

>>212808477
>Venezuela has been growing for three years now kek
Why do you like to lie so much? What do you gain from that?

>>212805044 (OP)
no, we dont love China, but i dont love faggots who put taxes on us just because, that fucking orange fagot is playing poker with the tariffs, he can fuck off, hes playing like hes hot shit, but the world is not his, EEUU can suck my cock, thats why latin american countries make commercial deals with China, you dont make deals with people who backstab you, motherfuckers build militar bases here, do their operations with israeli scum and sell drugs to overthrow governments whenever they like, that shit with the tariffs were a backstab to us, EEUU people can fuck off

>>212808608
I'm not him, but it clearly looks like a solid four-year recovery.

>>212808384
>Different from Ukraine there isn't a USA to supply us back then with a navy or weapons against the aggressor
There wasn't an aggressor. There was the mlilitary who wanted power and the americans who promised support, no shots were fired.
>Yeah, just like Ukraine or Georgia. It's their fault that they have elected anti-russian presidents
Americans never sent the CIA to form militias and create fake secessionist states, not here at least.
You can argue americans were le bad during the cold war, i don't disagree at all, but i do think they were less ruthless and outright expasionist than the soviet union was with their own backyard.

>>212807613
>>212807925
>>212808406
>>212808530
Nigga please, I hate Brazilian leftists monkeys to death and half of the population or more hate them too. Don't put Brazilians in the same ideological boat of leftists monkeys. We don't blame USA for any shit. It's ONLY LEFTIST MONKEYS

>>212808530
I am not confusing at all. Both are two ways of meddling on a foreign country. The US would certainly invade if they had a real opposition, like what happened in Mexico in the XIX century which was backed by european powers, but in South America they never really had the need because there wasn't really that much of an opposition to begin with

>>212808666
>Americans never sent the CIA to form militias and create fake secessionist states, not here at least.
They would if they had to, just like in Mexico. The truth is that they never had the need

>>212808653
see >>212808523
if you have such a massive contraction it's not weird at all for the country to recover a little at some point, especially if it's mostly from oil exports which is meaningless.

>>212808751
Maybe, maybe not. Either way americans never genocided me so i have no real reason to hate them, same for the chinese.

>>212808674
Yeah, I also support the impoverishment of Brazilian citizens to get rid of commies and elect Bolsonaro! We must get rid of Brazilian leftards at any cost!

God Bless America
God Bless Israel
God Bless Trump
God Bless Bolsonaro

>>212808674
Don't worry about it bro. What is Finland if not +50% leftist monkeys? I'm not judging all of you

>>212808707
Maybe you didn't understand the prison metaphor. You either suck dick or fight no matter what the odds. What I mean to say is that nothing unifies a nation like an existential foreign threat. Which latam has not had

>Venezuela being isolacionist is USA fault
I am so fucking dumb but next to Latin American leftists I feel like a genius.

kek so much leftist butthurt
how many times have you been banned from 1500chan dog

>>212808763
That doesn't cancel out the fact of recovery.
You can only recover if you're falling.
This is economically classic recovery.
5 years of recovery.

>>212808829
>What I mean to say is that nothing unifies a nation like an existential foreign threat. Which latam has not had
We literally do, it's the USA. The USA is literally meddling right now in our economy and politics just like in the past. Literally making us poorer to submit to their power.

Just like Russia is doing with Georgia right now. But this time we are stronger than back in the 1960s, probably not enough to fight a war but an economic war most certainly

>>212808914
>the USA is why wer'e poor o algo
87

>>212808914
HE DIDN'T DO NOTHING AGAINST TRUMP. WHAT A COWARD HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>212808608
thats fucking sad, look at this, chavez started his mandate with the price of oil at 10 usd/barrel, 10 year later it was 1500% higer,
can you imagine all the money they stole/embezzled?

>>212808834
kek, true

>>212808900
why do you only care about muh gdp when it suits you

>>212805612
We have high tariffs that protect the industry that we have

>>212808914
trump placed tariffs on everyone in the planet for a myriad bullshit reasons, you're not special

>>212808964
I'm not a leftist.
And I think Venezuela is an economic tragedy.
I just don't need to deny reality in order to argue my case.

>>212808914
If it was existential, you would unify. Allegedly making you poor is not existential

>>212805044 (OP)
No reason to hate them
Why does is bother anyone?

>>212809004
Brazil was the first to be tariff'd over political reasons.
We are literally being tariff'd despite the trade balance favouring the USA

>>212809026
Without economic prosperity there is no reason for Brazil to exist. It is existencial to keep the social fabric and the regional elites united under the federal government

>>212809010
imo the problem with your analysis is that the fundamentals of the country are exactly the same, nothing changed, then why is thre growth real?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_cat_bounce

>>212809107
>Brazil was the first to be tariff'd over political reasons.
literally all of the tariffs were political, even the china ones
nothing the orange retard does is technical

>>212809149
Not really, most of the other countries had trade surpluses over the USA

>>212807890
We were not richer, we have been surpassed by countries that actually got richer

>>212807756
>>212807964
The USS Forrestal never even left the US because the coup was already over in Brazil. The US didn't cause the coup

>>212809238
The USA literally discussed the coup in 1963 at the American Summit lol, they were openly against Goulart and literally would support the brazilian army in the case of a civil war. But goulart basically stepped down before because there was literally no way to fight back

>>212809115
KEK yes that's true but I found the reason.
Chevron has started buying oil from them again.

>>212805044 (OP)
china brings something to the table whereas US just takes it away
thanks for the games and old movies though

>>212809375
Bro I'm sure you know that USSR supported communist movements everywhere. That's not the issue, issue is the invasions, occupation and mass murder in which USSR directly engaged in, not what they passively supported

>>212809532

>In his conversation with Kennedy in October 1963, Lincoln Gordon mentioned that:

>We had a preliminary look, Bob [McNamara], at the question general O’Meara asked at one time: Suppose the country fell under communist control, control of a communist group, and there were really a question of a military invasion to recapture it, what would it take? Well, it was gonna take six divisions, I’ve forgotten how many ships and aircraft and whatnot, I mean, it was a really massive military operation.[12]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Brother_Sam

>>212809587
By invasion, I meant a real war that actually happened, not you choosing to suck a dick

>>212809617
Yes we would face an one-side massacre if we didn't stepped down. Because there was no USSR supporting us back then, like the USA with Ukraine nowadays. Also the state governors basically sided with the USA due the local economic elites being subservient economically to the USA, also by communist the USA government meant João Goulart which was democratically elected by the Brazilian people and wasn't a communist but more like nationalist socialist

>>212809670
Bro, you don't have to explain internal discord to me. It's what naturally happens. People will put aside their differences for an even greater threat
>Because there was no USSR supporting us back then, like the USA with Ukraine nowadays
Ukraine didn't know if they were going to get US support. All they knew was the holodomor and cheka torture, committed by occupiers

>>212809670
>Also the state governors basically sided with the USA due the local economic elites being subservient economically to the USA
yeah so you're saying this was desirable by a relevant slice of our society (we allowed it)

>>212809842
>Ukraine didn't know if they were going to get US support.
They did since Zelensky took power friend
>>212809852
>yeah so you're saying this was desirable by a relevant slice of our society
Yeah, the elites and one state are the majority of the population. I agree democracy only matters when it's pro-USA

>>212809532
I've always had the suspicion that this country would be better off had we actually fallen for communist subversion and were liberated from it at some point.
Instead we got soft american intervention with extremely vague soviet interference and that fucked us up for decades to come. We ended up with a bunch of academics that worshiped the USSR instead of seeking a valid alternative to gommunism and that haunts us to this day. Too many leftist boomers in politics who are still into the whole authoritarian communist aesthetic and they hold way more power than they should.
It's almost like the whole failed utopian ideology is a phase every country needs to go through before they grow up, until then you're stunting the growth.

>>212809918
>They did since Zelensky took power friend
Zelensky was elected after the whole maidan thing, idiot.

>>212810123
exactly, after euromaidan ukraine became more pro-western, it relied on the West to counter Russia. A luxury we never had during the Cold War, if anything the USA coup'd the whole region prior to Cuban and Soviet influence managed to take hold in the region

Why do people think we hate China so much?
I’m going to see a Chinese girl in an hour and we’re going to eat and have sweaty unprotected sex.

>>212810233
If by coup you mean they managed to convince our elites of their ways then sure, they did just that. It's not so different from what happened in ukraine, their elites saw more money with the EU than with Russia.

>>212810408
>If by coup you mean they managed to convince our elites of their ways then sure
You know that democracy means the will of the majority not the will of the elites, everything apart from that is a coup. But I guess we can be flexible when we are discussing the USA

>>212810233
Bro Ukraine fought first without knowing if they would get any support, because it's what you have to do. But then again how would latinx know, they've never had to fight an existential war in their recorded history

>>212810471
>Ukraine fought first without knowing if they would get any support, because it's what you have to do
Yeah, ruining your entire nation to fight a bigger and stronger country without any support is based and redpilled! Also the USA and Western Europe sure wouldn't support Ukraine! Zelensky is super brave the ukrainians are patriots!

Latin Americans are stupid race mixed lazy low IQ that is why they are poor, the USA is a moral superpower and is currently meddling politically and economically on their nations for their own good. They simply cannot govern themselves

God Bless the USA
God Bless Israel
God Bless Ukraine
God Bless Bolsonaro

>>212810470
>You know that democracy means the will of the majority not the will of the elites
Democracy means equal representation, not mob rule.

>>212810584
>you just gotta surrender
And that's how you become a sub

>>212810610
I agree, that is why everyone that supports the USA should be represented, those fringe communists should not be represented.

Only those that matters get a vote

>>212810584
>Yeah, ruining your entire nation to fight a bigger and stronger country without any support
except this never actually happened here, it's a leftist fantasy. why are you discussing things that never happened as if they did?

>>212810656
Yeah, the USA never supported the opposition to the Goulart nor prepared an invasion to the Brazilian soil in case it fails

>>212810634
Yes, war should be a matter of pride! That is how you should govern a nation

>>212810715
The USA failed to invade cuba, what makes you think they would make a serious effort into invading what's basically another america?
The coup succeeded because there was little to no opposition to it, not because we were afraid of big daddy USA. This whole notion is flawed because their support wasn't public to begin with. There was no big daddy USA making threats, just support for our military behind the scenes.

>>212810746
Unironically yes. Once you suck one dick, they will shove a thousand in your face. That's why you fight even if you have to lose teeth

>>212810830
We would've defeated Americans easily if we actually wanted to, they're pussies.
Truth is, we love America over here.

>>212810820
>The USA failed to invade cuba, what makes you think they would make a serious effort into invading what's basically another america?
16 brigades plus naval and air support sound pretty serious to me friend. It's a bigger force than what they used in Vietnam.
>The coup succeeded because there was little to no opposition to it, not because we were afraid of big daddy USA.
It succeeded because the collective of forces pended towards the coup, even Argentina asked for a US intervention in Brazil lmao.
>This whole notion is flawed because their support wasn't public to begin with.
It was public they were against Goulart policies, the only thing that was revealed after the coup was finished was the plans of invasion. And the same is happening right now, the USA is meddling on our political and economic sovereignty

>>212810830
Yes, that is why you should kill yourself instead of sucking dick to survive.

>>212811091
>16 brigades plus naval and air support sound pretty serious to me friend. It's a bigger force than what they used in Vietnam.
A million paper brigades is still a million paper brigades, you have no idea what invading a continent of this size actually entails. They obviously had no serious intention of doing this, it would've been a lost cause had there been any resistance at all.
>It succeeded because the collective of forces pended towards the coup
Yes, what I've been saying all along, except you're putting too much emphasis on the external forces.
>the only thing that was revealed after the coup was finished was the plans of invasion
If it was revealed afterwards then it's irrelevant factor on whether or not it succeeded. There simply was no resistance.
>the same is happening right now, the USA is meddling on our political and economic sovereignty
The orange is feuding with the kraken because they're both populist retards, it's a complete nothingburger.

>>212811320
>They obviously had no serious intention of doing this, it would've been a lost cause had there been any resistance at all.
It's funny how you are so certain of this
>Yes, what I've been saying all along, except you're putting too much emphasis on the external forces.
The USA was the biggest trading partner of Brazil back then bar none. If you believe that the economic elites of brazil decided by themselves without pondering their relation to the USA and the influence on the country and their livelihood, you are really really naive

>>212811141
>t. latinex
You know we all serve in the military right?

>>212811553
I meant as an analogy.
It's better to compromise and survive than don't compromise and die

>>212811382
>It's funny how you are so certain of this
I am because the bay of pigs was a thing, now imagine that over a continental country. You can't just decide to invade half of latin america.
>The economic elites decided they would make significantly less money by risking a rupture with the US.
That's exactly what i believe, not sure what else you think i was implying.

>>212811604
>That's exactly what i believe, not sure what else you think i was implying.
Then you realize that the USA had a really strong influence on the decisions of the elites and that the decisions of these elites weren't sovereign or in the democratic interest of the nation

>>212811601
And that's why people abuse you cocksucker. Cruel but real

>>212811694
Better to be an alive cocksucker than a dead one. There is always a chance of a comeback, pretty much like Brazil nowadays. We are much stronger than Ukraine will ever be

>>212811721
I guess you won't be destroyed by a US invasion then

>>212811755
nowadays not really. We don't have to suck as many cocks as we did back in the 60s. Hope one day everyone will be sucking ours

>>212811661
>the decisions of these elites weren't sovereign or in the democratic interest of the nation
That's honestly very hard to say, in my opinion it would absolutely be in the interest of the nation to not have a rupture with the US, but we know now that that likely wouldn't have happened anyways because there was no communist threat.

>>212808322
Based immigrant!

Esse fio tava bom até os pardo preto pobre de direita chegar... Um dia vou poder ir às ruas limpar o país dessa subraça traidora

Baseado bracaco mandando a vera pros gringos. Morte aos caramelos pardos traidores de direita, o dia chegará.

>>212812446
Poste mão e conta bancária

posting in brazil thread!

>>212805044 (OP)
Only peronists and leftists do so here

It keeps the US in check, without them will be like back in the day, bullied to oblivion by the Monroe doctrine. Having China on the table actually forces to the US to give us a better deal on any negotiation or trade deal