an anonymous japanese couple marrying in the brazilian hinterland

>>212879086 (OP)
What was Brazil like in the 19th/early 20th century, I kind of imagine it wouldn't be that different from living in 19th/20th century US south except without the gentry

>>212879124
brazil was much more stratified than us

>>212879124
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpfhSdJnEVM

>>212879124
depends on where you were ig, coastal cities were fairly metropolitan but if you lived further inland it was basically a tropical version of the wild west

>>212879086 (OP)
sovl... shame the early Japanese there were basically slaves

>>212879124
Peaceful

how bad was Japan back then? as bad as Italy?

>>212880478
From what I've read, yeah. A lot of Japanese soldiers in WWII were like 160cm tall because they grew up as poor peasants on a fairly weak diet (you can literally see how tiny they are compared to Australian troops in WW2 pictures when they were surrendering, pic related), Japan only became a properly rich country after the war.

>>212879124
Blacker. A lot blacker

>>212880636
>The average height of a Japanese soldier in World War II was approximately 5 feet 3 1/2 inches (161 cm). Their average weight was around 120 pounds (54 kg). This was noticeably shorter than the average height of American soldiers during the same period, who were typically around 5 feet 7 inches (170 cm
Grim.

>>212880698
>The average weight of a US soldier during World War II was approximately 144 pounds, with an average height of 5'8
144 pounds is around 65kgs.

Mindblowing. I could manhandle any WW2 soldier

>>212879124
>>212879267
A major revival of 18/19th century countryside Brazil aesthetics and media output needs to happen, I yearn for such kino. Post more of this period and even from the bandeirantes epoch, please

>>212880698
Japanese curry was also invented because their sailors kept getting beriberi disease due to only eating rice rations while on ships and having severe vitamin deficiencies as a result. The introduction of curries, which they picked up from the British Navy, gave their diets a much needed diversity in nutrients.

>>212880478
They joined the navy because there they could eat everyday and there wasnt even meat in the navy

>>212880723
>Post more of this period and even from the bandeirantes epoch
"No narrative can fully explain the suffering endured by the Paulistas in these discoveries. The convergence of circumstances driving them has, from the very beginning of their settlement, compelled them to abandon the comfort of their homes, the company of their wives, the support of their children, and the bonds of their relatives—all to explore and survey the surrounding lands at the cost of their own lives and fortunes. These arduous labors of the inhabitants of São Paulo, sustained over so many years, have added considerable territory to Portugal’s domains and greatly enriched its Treasury. The mines, initially named after the people who discovered them (the Paulistas), later came to be known as Minas Gerais. Their captaincy, along with those of Goiazes and Cuiabá—now divided into separate governments—owe their discovery entirely to São Paulo. All these hinterlands, once inhabited only by wild beasts or by men who lived little differently from them, are now populated by Catholic people."
Angelo de Sequeira (1707–1776), priest and bandeirante.

>>212880723
"Paulisten"
Thomas Ender, 1817, São Paulo

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>>212881026
Imagine having been blessed with inheriting the blood of these gods among men. My old world self will never know what that's like.

>>212879086 (OP)
japanese northeasterners were pretty much racemixed into non existence, every asian looking person in the NE is either Korean or Chinese, first or second generation.

>>212881082
>António Raposo Tavares (1598–1658), known as the Elder (Portuguese: o Velho), was a Portuguese bandeirante who explored mainland eastern South America and claimed it for Portugal, extending the territory of the colony beyond the limits imposed by the Treaty of Tordesillas. He also led the largest expedition ever made in the Americas, covering over 10,000 kilometres (over 6,200 mi) around South America, unifying completely the two large South American river basins and the Andes in a single voyage. Raposo Tavares departed from São Paulo towards the rivers of the Río de la Plata Basin (mainly the Paraguay River) and the Andean slopes, and from there to Belém, at the mouth of the Amazon.

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>>212881164
What was the practical reason behind the lengthy robes? To shield from tall vegetation mainly, I assume?

>>212881386
The poncho in the traditional tropeiro clothes has Spanish origin, tracing back to Berber cloaks like the ancient balandrau (distinct from the modern balandrau). The first mention of the caipira poncho dates back to 1585 by the Jesuit Fernão Cardim. The poncho described by the priest was the famous "bernéu de cacheira" worn by the bandeirantes, which later evolved into the poncho tropeiro. One hypothesis is that the "bernéu" came to be called "poncho" because many Spaniards who settled in São Paulo between the 17th and 18th centuries came from the Guairá region and the Viceroyalty of Peru, bringing with them the word "poncho", which is of Andean origin. An interesting fact is that our poncho closely resembles the "ruana", a poncho from Colombia and Venezuela, even though the two cultures never had direct contact. This supports the idea that our poncho is of Spanish origin.
French traveler Saint-Hilaire wrote in 1819: "From Mogi Mirim, heading toward the capital, I did not encounter a single man who did not wear his poncho." He also documented that women, Blacks, Indigenous people, whites, caboclos, poor and rich—all wore ponchos.

>>212881888
We need to bring back the term Bernéu, it will mark the beginning of the brazilian renaissance.

>>212880967
>>212881026
>>212881073
Paulistanianon, where do you find these pictures? Any book recommendation about the topic?

>>212881386
>>212881888
I read somewhere that there was an old martial art similar to jogo do pau and esgrima crioula where they used these robes to grab the opponent's weapon, as well as hiding their weapons when waking around. Idk how accurate that is, but it sounded dope, using "clothes" as shield

>Brazil banned slavery only in 1888

>>212882114
We were waiting for a cool year, 1887 is kinda lame, 1888 is cool

>>212882000
I wish
>>212882032
>where do you find these pictures?
I have them saved for so many years that I honestly don’t remember.
>Any book recommendation about the topic?
No tempo dos bandeirantes; Belmonte e A Culinária Caipira da Paulistânia; Carlos Alberto Doria.
Viagem à Província de São Paulo; Augeste de Saint-Hilaire
Viagem pelo Brasil; Spix e Martius
O Folklore dos Bandeirantes; Joaquim Ribeiro
Os parceiros do Rio Bonito; Antônio Cândido
Territorialidades Caipiras, o ser e a Identidade do Lugar
O Território Paulistânico: um olhar existencial para além dos mapas antigos; Vitor Sartori, Jane Cordova, Victal
Música Caipira e Enraizamento; Ivan Vilela
Vivências caipiras: pluralidade cultural e diferentes temporalidades na terra paulista; Maria Alice Setúbal
>>212882068
I never hard about this martial art, but ponchos indeed were used to hide weapons, hence the frequent crimes that kept multiplying. It is then that the governor, Dom Rodrigo Cezar de Menezes (a Portuguese official), expressly prohibited its use in 1723: ‘no person may henceforth wear, neither by day nor by night, a hood on their head, and whoever does so shall be imprisoned for two months in the city jail and shall pay a fine of twenty thousand réis and shall lose the hood.' This law was a repetition of the 1640 law that also banned ponchos. But despite this, they still could not take the ponchos from the Paulistas, for ten years later, there was a new prohibition. Two more bans were issued in the following years, but they also failed. Given all these laws and penalties, the use of poncho should have disappeared; however, it is easier to make laws than to undo habits. In 1775, it was banned once again—this time for women.

>>212882221
Thank you very much anon, I'm preparing some Brazilian history study material, mostly books. I'm trying to get different perspectives and more details about the stuff school skips over. If you have any other recc about other topics...

Also, is there a chance you make a thread and drop just to drop your favorite bits about it? Here on /int/ or /his/, having all of it in a single thread in the archives would be perfect.

>>212882221
>I never hard about this martial art
I can't remember exactly where, maybe I was reading something about esgrima crioula and how it had some influences of indigenous and bandeirantes, not sure.

Here is some of the stuff I mentioned
>Jogo do Pau (Portuguese martial art, which seem to have influenced Capoeira, Cangaço and Esgrima Gaúcha)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D37YXsMnSTA
>Esgrima Crioula
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUioMxPz__8
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/YHDi5-5wuNU

Also, have you ever seen the Brazilian TTRPG inspired in Brazilian culture called O Desafio dos Bandeirantes? I recently discovered it and thought it was kinda neat, I haven't finished reading it, but here is a link if you want to check it.
https://files.catbox.moe/1r23xp.pdf

Again, thanks for the list!

>>212882547
Not the anon you quoted but there's a big list of Brazilian history books, mostly academic, on 1500chan's /lit/ board

>>212882584
Oh shit, I sometimes forget that shithole has useful boards, thanks for the tip anon, will check it