Apparently we dont. Judges stand central and hold comical amount of power in the entire legal proceeding. It's been a topic of discussion if we should change the system due to the risk of bias and bribing.

>>212892715 (OP)
>some randos decide your fate instead of a trained professional with mountains of experience
Never understood jury trials.

>>212892750
I think the main purpose of them is to declare the guy innocent, they can cancel out whatever the judge says so he doesn't hold all the cards I think

>>212892750

>>212892786
So what’s the point of all the entire legal system when it can all be canceled by what’s essentially vigilante activity?
>>212892796
Rent free and off-topic.

>>212892750
>Let the community decide whether or not self-defense used too much excessive force?
>We don't do that in Germany.

>>212892848
>The prosecution has the burden of proof.

>The jury listens to all evidence and arguments.

>The jury then decides

>Guilty: The prosecution proved the case beyond a reasonable doubt.

>Not guilty: The prosecution did not prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt so they are innocent

Its a perfect fail safe in case the judge is a prick, its just werks bro

>>212892890
>mah communiteh
fuck off, commie

>>212892890
>le community
So mostly clueless normalfags? No thanks, I wouldn't want them deciding my fate.

>>212892961
>>212892945
i dont think you guys understand how juries work, they are there to HELP you, they can NEVER sentence you, here is an example
>judge says guilty and jury says not guilty : free
>jury says guilty, judge says not guilty: free
they help you at all times

>>212893001
I don’t care. Do you also let a bunch of randos fuck your wife? They’re there to help you, you know. It’s a cahmunitehe effort.

Here you get judged by representives from political parties, yeah we’re fucked

>>212893047
>The concept of a jury is alien to the residents of Germany despite its origins hailing from the Germanic tribes
What blindly trusting the government does to a civilization...

If you ever get sentenced for a hypothetical law that's preeminently asinine and tyrannical, just know a jury could've nullified a guilty verdict and saved you (like escaped slaves in the United States of America).

>>212893225
>that's preeminently asinine and tyrannical
You voted for it.

>>212893225
The government never flushed my head in the toilet, never beat me up for looking different, never called me names etc. Normalfags did all of this and that's why I don't want them to have ANY influence on verdict whether positive or negative

>>212893299
boot licker

>>212892715 (OP)
only in higher courts. in local, municipal, and (most) circuit courts you are only given a trial by judge

>>212892750
They need to unanimously decide you are guilty to be given a guilty verdict

>We need a bunch of ordinary random people to see if the accused is telling the truth...because we haven't invented reliable lie detectors yet

okeydoke

civil law is literally just soyjakking over napoleon
extremely gay for europeans to try and act like copying an actual french cuck is a superior system than basing it off the millennia long body of common law

>>212894687
>japanese people really think lie detectors are real

>>212892715 (OP)
the eu should mandate juries in all member countries

>>212895926
you can wave the jury for civil law cases in anglo countries ivan

But is it easier to threaten/bribe judges or juries?

>>212897364
you have to find 10+ people to threaten or bribe without a single one telling on you is a LOT harder than giving a couple hundred grand to some judge