Who could have seen this coming

It's like a mud wrestling contest between three dwarves. Whoever wins, nobody cares.

>>212993167
>said by finland, universally known for helsinki committee, gay sex and refugee rights

>>212993070 (OP)
Bulgaria has the highest birthrate in Europe now and kept it high for 3 decades now, doesn’t surprise me at all.

>>212993472
>Bulgaria has the highest birthrate in Europe now
no, that's kosovo
>and kept it high for 3 decades now
wrong again, as it has only recently started stabilizing, we used to be lowest birthrate now we have one of the highest in europe but not the highest

>>212993577
why is Bulgaria poppin'?

>>212993070 (OP)
nah, hungary and bulgaria arent poppin

>>212995547
Bulgaria is doing quite fine. Their finances are very stable and they are joining the euro and Turkey is growing so they benefit off that too.

Romania overtook Hungary
Why is hungary so poor even when they used to have a lot of wealth in the past?

>>212996056
Orban funneling funds to Gypsies

>>212996095
Classic gyppo helping his gypsy cousins first

>>212996003
bulgaria lacks private investments compared to Romania, Turkey isnt growing anything lmao

>>212996056
All Eastern European countries are very poor and anyone trying to tell your otherwise is massively coping
The biggest difference is that both Romania and Bulgaria have those Balkan shithole qualities, like Romanian railway routinely runs trains with broken windows that has been like that for years or don't even bother to remove the graffiti, they look like this. There are stray dogs and giant rural poverty. From this standpoint Hungary is more "wealthy"
But overall speaking all these countries are extremely poor you should not fall for the /int/ psyop

>>212996875
I could sleep on those without even bothering or wakeing up until next day. Western standards of living are too princess syndrome tier.

>>212997453
>t. gypsy

>>212996056
>Why is hungary so poor even when they used to have a lot of wealth in the past?
Gee I wonder why

>>212996056
Romania's supposed wealth is now being exposed as an overblown scam, it was all just based on debt and inflation, now their government has to desperately implement harsh austerity measures, raising taxes and freezing salaries in the public administration or they'll go bankrupt.

They really did all that muscleflexing show just to present themselves as better than Hungary at least for one year straight even if it comes at such a price to get your economy ruined in the long term. Such a Balkan thing to do. And we were seriously thinking about letting them into V4, lol

>>212997810
Hungary has forced ration on toilet paper and buffers literally lmao.

>>212997810
Don't forget we are firing many gov workers (leeches) these days. Yes we are this based

>>212998017
I wish that was us. Total stateoid death can't come soon enough.

>>212997934
lol where did you read this bullshit

>>212997934
He is still right. When people talking about becoming wealthy there are two things, macroeconomic indicators and infrastructure. Romania has the worst, literally junk tier credit rating in EU, very low (Italy tier) employment, rapidly increasing debt (not overall but the rate of chance in the past decade), overheated economy with public sector increases.
As far infrastructure the only thing that Romania seems to be doing right is the metro expansion in Bucharest (if we ignore the architectural style that is awful)
There are highways you guys have been building for almost 20 years at this point and we are not talking about the mountainous ones with complicated terrain. You do not utilize the EU gibs well either. EU gave you money to replace some railway bridge over some river for a lot of money but you did not even bother to change any other part of the infrastructure so you now have 120 year old rails probably laid down by the Hungarian Kingdom before WW1 with 20km/h speed restriction (if there is any service at all) going to that shiny new expensive bridge. What was even the point? I've been to Cluj recently, there are supposed to be train works around that area but it looked exactly the same as last time I saw it.
You are fucked in Romania if you don't have a car because you don't have any equivalent of like the Volán network here that operates 6k buses that in smaller cities or in-between cities and between the cities and the suburbs/agglomeration. There are many QoL differences like that that make Romania a pain in the ass overall even compared to Hungary.

I normally don't comment on economy but I honestly don't understand where this
>Romania is becoming wealthy
thing comes from
>inb4 b-but Hungary
Yeah but no one pretends the economy here is doing well

>>212997810
>implying Romania wants to enter your meme union
lol, lmao even

>>212998303
>its not true because my polack daily stormer news paper didnt talk about it
You will join them soon, together with the retard Trump lapdog you elected

>>212998477
here is the current motorway network

>>212998477
trvke

>>212998477
Also another funny thing is that Romania keeps buying up all the old Deutsche Bahn fleet (which we should be buying but "somehow" it never succeeds) but you don't actually buy any spare parks, service or anything at all so you just run it for a bit until there are cracks on the windows. The funniest thing is you don't even bother with re-painting or anything so there is still the DB logo in front of the train with the local Deutsche Bahn maps inside and everything is in German lol. You guys are going to create the largest German heritage train fleet because you always buy everything just can't use it

>>212998558
Lmao. You think he can't use google translate?

>>212998477
trvke
>>212998509
you wish you could but you never will
>>212998522
cope lmao, you literally made that shit up

Romania can have higher GDP per capita than Hungary per 2-3 years but it won't make up for literally centuries of the economic and civilizational advantage Hungary has always had over Romania

Hungary simply feels like a proper European country, even if it's not perfect, but Romania feels just like a regular Balkan/Eastern European backwater on par with Serbia or Ukraine. I dare say that the visual difference when you cross the border from Hungary to Romania is bigger than when you do that from Austria to Hungary.

>>212993685
quality of life got much better since they joined EU, as ridiculously as this sounds. In the 90s and early 00s the life was horrible - lots of people went abroad (mainly in western countries) to seek a better life and never looked back. Now the salaries there are mostly good and people can finally aford to stay at home and make babies instead of thinking how to make ends meet.
Good fucking job Boyko and company

>>212998629
>you wish you could but you never will
nta but why would we want to join it? the only country we like there is slovakia

>>212998629
nah we dont want to
>>212998609
but we renovate old trains

>>212998762
>nta but why would we want to join it?
to cure your inferiority complex obviously, you just really want to get promoted to a higher league and stop being perceived as a Balkan country, while you know V4 = Central Europe (Mitteleuropa)

>>212998719
GOOD
HunGAYrians are whitebois who worship negro dick. they literally eat negro
RomaniCHADS are balkan monkes with SOUL

>>212998719
Nah, Hungary is super poor too, pointless to deny this. In a first world country you can drive around for like hours and it looks first world. In Hungary almost everywhere you go you can immediately tell okay, this is a East Euro rather poor country. It is what it is, pointless to deny it

>>212998806
Lmao you are describing slovene/croat behavior. Not romanian

>>212993070 (OP)
i thought they were depopulating? very confusing

>>212998875
>Nah, Hungary is super poor too,
it's poorer than average western countries but it still feels western by architecture, infrastructure (more by its "shape" rather than quality), similar vibe like Portugal
Romania is just another world, another civilization

>>212998719
wow such a massive difference

>>212998875
The real measure is not some square in the city or whatever but driving around the country for a bit. Even if you consider that structures located right next to the road tend to be shabby always. no one want to live next to it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUcWuiUpvF4

Look into this vid and you can tell it is an extremely wealthy country. Look any similar vid from East Europe and you can immediately tell it is a rather poor place. Its fine, I grew up knowing we are a very poor country I dont get why people are trying to cope online here

>>212998951
Bihar?

>>212998951

>>212998951
im not gonna to play this cherrypicking game
everyone can go to Hungary/Romania and compare them on his own

>>212998984
yes sir, Rajastani people immigrating to Hungary in the Middle Ages brought their placenames with themselves

>>212998806
lmao poles are such delusional retards its not even funny
you know you are seen in europe as eastern europe and not central europe, right?

>>212999052
nah, we are seen as a successful, developed and politically important country, Germany or France won't do shit without our consent

>>212999082
>Germany or France won't do shit without our consent
now i know youre trolling lol

>>212999135
if you believed that, you wouldn't respond to me

>>212993070 (OP)
no it won't unless we suddenly start getting foreign investments, but given that we're an oligarchy it's unlikely to happen. but hey at least our credit rating was bumped up

we are? Is this about the euro?

>>212996095
so to himself?

>>212999082
kek

>>212993577
the birthrate thing is such a meme,
the government overcounted how many people live in Bulgaria before the census, but it tracked accurately how many babies were born in hospitals, so it looked like we were cratering much worse than we are

>>212999082
I believe this, I look like this

>>212999400
>the government overcounted how many people live in Bulgaria before the census
you mean undercounted? if your govt overcounted them, then your birth rate would be lower (same number of births but divided by a higher number)

>>212998987
East Hungary near the border and Romania on the other side look pretty similar, not always easy to tell which country is which.
Hajdú Bihar county is pretty agricultural, lot of farms, fields, grazing animals. The Hajdúszoboszló, Hajdúböszörmény type towns are alright. I used to go to the thermal baths there so much when I was younger, they were fun

>>212999598
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZf62i9kZ5Y

Those tubes are a bit scrappy looking but so fun

>>212999598
honestly i think western hungary looks the best visually, the houses and everything

>>212999467
you're wrong,
if the gov thinks the population is twice the size it is the birth rate would look worse
the meaning of the word overcounting is: to count something as more than it is

>>212999768
for example in my opinion central romania looks the best visually, and by that i mean alba/brasov/sibiu/harghita/covasna and maybe mures counties(MAYBE)

>>212999082
So much arrogance for a country that will be conquered and partitioned by AfD Germany and Russia within 10 years

>>212999777
if you have X births divided by Y people your birth rate will be higher than if you have X births divided by Y+1 people, that's why if your government says you have Y people (so your birth rate is higher) while in fact you have Y+1 people, then it means your government undercounted the number of people in your country, because Y < Y+1

hope it helps, bulgarbro!

>>212999931
i only have one request to you, could you spread this knowledge to all other colombians you know so they don't immigrate here? thanks?

>>212998477
>>this Romania is becoming wealthy thing
We were before COVID and Ukraine happened. That's when the government had to borrow money out the ass to cover expenses and finances were thrown off balance.

>>212999281
You won by doing nothing. Us and Hungary just committed sepuku.

>>213000463
every country had to do the same due to covid/Ukraine yet only Romania is in such dire state now which says more of your politicians' mismanagement than any objective factors

>>213000769
Right before it happened we had the end of the PSD government and they spent out the ass in their final year to try and win the election but they lost anyway. It wouldn't have been that big a disaster but then immediately COVID happened.

>>213000463
That is just a certified Eastern European classic. Retards in the government acting irresponsibly in an already overheated economy. Some economist already made a term for this like 15 years ago called "fiscal alcoholism"
I dont follow the Romanian economics, especially the politics so I have no idea how you managed to mess up so badly and create such a giant deficit when Romania still has access to EU funds, you are energy independent and your currency is a lot more stable than here. It takes actual talent to overdo the fuckups of the government here

>>213000951
We just got really unlucky timing desu.

>>213000852
>>213000951
I understand everyone did this during covid but romania keeps running humongous deficits to this day.
Maybe they think 50% debt/gdp is too low and they have room to run wild for now, but this is just a recipe for becoming greece tier.
The other disadvantage is that they miss out on the ECB dosh, the bond repurchase programme and all other gimmicks the central bank does to keep yields low even for fiscal retards like greece and france. Romania's monetary policy has to be more grounded to reality and thus their 10Y yield is 7% as opposed to 3.5% that it wouldve been if they had the euro.

>>213000852
>we had a socialist-populist government that would throw cash out at everyone for political gains so now we need to be bailed out b-but that's surely something that could happen to every other country too!

nah, that's why you're rightfully a balkan country.

>>213001087
>>213001207
>>213001262
It's this thing causing all our problems. They fucked our finances in 2019 right before COVID then came again in 2023 and fucked them one more time for fun.
Thankfully they are finally fucking dying (replaced by far right Meloni-fan party but they literally can't be worse than them).

>>213001207
We also had the whole political crisis from the end of 2024 to mid 2025 where the government couldn't enact any austerity measures because they needed to win the election and stop the chud apocalypse. It's a whirlwind of balkan retardation all around.