Why did Russia do this?

capitalism

You just don't understand the depth of the deeply tortured russian soul

>>213083641 (OP)
Very thirdie aesthetic. They need to come to terms with what they have become.

>>213083641 (OP)
it's your fault

CIA did this.

>>213083676
what did i do?

>>213083961
we don't know, you shoul tell

>>213083641 (OP)
I think it's the same process that happened in all ex-commie countries, when communism collapsed, all urban planning/aesthetic rules were scrapped as they were deemed an example of a socialist red tape that poses an obstacle to economic development and capitalist transformation. Here we also have a huge problem with visual pollution and lack of zoning laws leading to extremely chaotic development.

But ofc we can't forgot that in communism there were no ads not just because the law explicitly banned that but simply because it doesn't make sense to advertise anything in a state-run economy without real competition between firms. You only have one type of each product so why would you advertise that - if someone needs it, he has no choice but to buy this one type anyway.

>>213083641 (OP)
Russia.... Is healing

>>213084710
finally Varlamov did one job right by pressuring Sobyanin to take care of that shit
so sad he's so annoying in everything else he does

>>213084710
>Russia
kys Muttcovite

>>213084642
Ads are cancer and no one will ever convince me otherwise, but there has to be some sort of middle ground between having only one type of each product available and having 31 flavors of zogchow designed to slowly kill you.

>>213084858
sure, you can have both capitalism and many varieties of products but also have no or only few ads - it just requires proper regulations. There are countries even in eastern Europe with heavy restrictions on street advertising like Lithuania, Slovakia, Czechia and their public space indeed looks much better than here or in Russia. It all depends on mentality + effectiveness of the government I guess.

>>213084642
>But ofc we can't forgot that in communism there were no ads
this is obviously not true

>>213084900
>sure, you can have both capitalism and many varieties of products but also have no or only few ads
tons of ads is peak capitalism. heres a picture from london in 1967

>>213085018
1972

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74

>>213085018
>this is obviously not true
it could differ in different countries and periods but the rule of thumb is that in communism there were very few ads and if there were ones, they mostly had political/patriotic content, not just advertising products.
It might have changed a bit in the 1980s, when commie governments were already crumbling as they saw capitalism is winning across the world and wanted to introduce a bit of western spirit into their countries to calm down popular wrath and save their asses (didn't help)

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>>213085030
i didn't say capitalist countries don't have ads, I said that it is possible to have both capitalism and no (or very few) ads. Whether you like it or not is another story.

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>>213084900
I think the mentality of the people plays a larger part. Any chance of reigning in advertisers goes out the window when you're dealing with a populace that looks forward to fucking Superbowl commercials every year and froths at the mouth in anticipation whenever Apple holds a press conference. Not to mention the ads themselves are only part of a larger problem, which is mindless, rampant consumerism. And that's a problem which will only ever be exacerbated because modern capitalist economies run on precisely that.

Capitalism ruined our comfy sovlful cities

>>213083641 (OP)
It's your fault

>>213085084
I agree.
Thankfully even here you can see the change for the better, slowly but surely.

>>213083641 (OP)
>Why did Russia do this?
Capitalism

>>213085059
there were definitely less ads but it is silly to act like there were no companies that advertised things. they were owned by the state yes, people had little disposable income and they did not fully work within market rules but there were definitely companies selling products

tons of billboards on top of buildings that are now empty were put there in that time. there was even a neon wave. this picture is from 71

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>>213085152
>but there were definitely companies selling products
yes but even if they sometimes advertised something that was more like a larp to make the country look more western (sometimes even encouraged by the government) than a genuine need to advertise this product, since people would buy it anyway, as they had no alternative

and again, it was different in different countries. Communist Hungary (probably also Czechia, Yugoslavia) had a tourist-oriented economy, a lot of westerners visited it, so ads could make more sense. But in Poland, Belarus etc. it didn't.

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>>213085059
You need to fuck off back rus/ukie

>>213085248
>since people would buy it anyway, as they had no alternative
there were still products and services that were advertised. hotels, taxis, appliances, hifi, bars and restaurants, jewelry shops, etc. communism sucked for sure but you act like people lived on bread and water. just because there was less competition between the services they still could advertise themselves

>Communist Hungary (probably also Czechia, Yugoslavia) had a tourist-oriented economy
kek no. only croatia had tourism on the adriatic sea. the only tourists we had were germans on the balaton. no one visited the warsaw pact cities at all. even after the fall of the system the only country that got foreign tourists in the first 20 years was czechia

>>213085374
by the early 80s even western brands started to appear on advertisements, even if people could not afford them
the system had a gradual collapse, its not like one day they just decided it does not work anymore

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>>213085374
>. the only tourists we had were germans on the balaton
and that's still a lot
+ Budapest was always more or less a tourist destination, obviously not comparable to current level but still

>>213085374
>communism sucked for sure but you act like people lived on bread and watere themselves
here they literally did, same in Romania and most USSR
as I said, different commie countries could be different, I guess the difference between DDR and Romania in 1985 was greater than between modern Switzerland and modern Russia (even though both have "capitalism" now).

>>213085374
>the only tourists we had were germans on the balaton. no one visited the warsaw pact cities at all.
definitely not true, in the commie era Budapest was known in Poland as a "trade hub" with thousands of foreigners, both from the west and the east, you could exchange goods/currency with. My uncle was a "travelling trader" in the 1980s, he would drive across all of Eastern Europe (even reaching Turkey) to buy/sell/exchange stuff that was available in one country and unavailable in the other one and Budapest was the main centre of such trade, every trading route had to go through Budapest because it had the biggest black market sites. From the Polish perspective Budapest was a super-international city with people of all nationalities and races to be found there.

>>213083641 (OP)
They went from being 2nd world to 3rd world when the union fell.

>>213085808
no, there were zero tourists outside balaton behind the iron curtain and the only reason people visited budapest before like the very late 2000s was sziget festival. the entire western world went to prague in czechia because it was in a much better shape than any other city in the region, the rest had approx zero international visitors

>>213086070
oh yeah i almost forgot there was one group that started visiting the country in the 90s right away it was porn makers kek
that is about it. a few curious history nerds and porno

>>213086070
>no, there were zero tourists outside balaton behind the iron curtain
you're simply wrong or we have a different definition of "zero"
it could have been a small number comparing to how many people visit Budapest now but by eastern European standards of the 1980s, believe me, Budapest was still one of the most international cities in that region

>>213086135
which is entirely reasonable, the country had zero tourist appeal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6h4hJRfZ7k

even in the 2010s it only became somewhat popular because of the cheap prices which is fading. prague and czechia was always like 20 years ahead of all the other cities in the region development wise so everyone went there after the fall of the iron curtain

>>213086173
>prague, prague, prague

dude, do you understand that Prague is an exception, while we're talking about the whole Warsaw Pact region?

>>213086173
sovlful

>>213086155
your relative was probably a glowie or something kek
you could not get shit here. if you were really rich you could buy some japanese cd player smuggled from vienna or something for the price of an apartment or something

>>213086217
yeah and that is the only city that got an immediately tourist boom after the fall of the iron curtain, thats is what im saying. foreign tourists were completely unknown in the rest of the warsaw pact before like 2010 if not for an event for a festival
>lets go to hungary for the weekend
said no one fucking ever in 2006

>>213086268
>your relative was probably a glowie or something kek
nah, just a regular wagie but since wages in poland in the 1980s were an equivalent of $3/month (im not joking), such trading was the only way to survive
>if you were really rich you could buy some japanese cd player smuggled from vienna
what i know from the uncle was that smugglers usually engaged in barter trade, like you bought X in Turkey and exchanged it for Y from Czechoslovakia, then you smuggled Y into Poland, exchanged it for Z, went to Yugoslavia, sold Z to a German for some hard currency and again went to Turkey
and Budapest was the centre of this trade with thousands of smugglers meeting each other and exchanging stuff

>yeah and that is the only city that got an immediately tourist boom after the fall of the iron curtain, thats is what im saying
okay but once again - Prague is exceptional but it doesn't mean Budapest had "zero" foreigners. It definitely had more than many bigger WP capitals.

>>213086135
and even the porno guys did not actually film in the city but rented a house
i remember randomly stumbling upon some porno scene when i was young when i realized that it was actually filmed here kek it was kind of surreal as i had no idea we were this porn location at the time

>>213086395
im not sure how young you are but the world was extremely different even just 20 years ago let alone in the early 90s. hungary was a more dangerous place. i remember my relative visiting us and he had a new audi and he was afraid to park and leave it in a downtown area because car theft was rampant. my conspiracy theory that there were even more nasty things like organ harvesting, etc. ofc there is zero proof for this except young people suspiciously disappearing here and there.

there were no 30$ return airplane tickets, ultra budget airlines was simply not a thing, it was national carriers and airlines targeting upper class. flying was a middle class thing still, 18 year olds did not just fly around on the weekends like they can today with these $20 tickets. airbnbs were also not a thing, you actually had to book a hotel and there were much less hotels too.
the recent gastronomy boom which made tourism more enjoyable also only happened in the mid 2010s. back then you could not all kinds of cousines, there were no speciality cafes, no middle eastern and japanese food, no hipster fusion restaurants. there were basic burger and pizza places and local restaurants where no one even spoke english. the gastro boom only happened in the 2010s

and i remember the city pretty well. that run down tourist area that is full of bars and restaurants now was completely empty. like completely silent and the only people you could ever see there were retired boomers going to grocery shopping. then on the buda side streets like bartok bela which are more local and nicer now were also full of abandoned shops with broken windows.

overall there are a ton of factors why warsaw pact has seen almost no tourism before the 2010s the only exception being prague which already looked much nicer. also because of the privatization there foreigners instantly started to buy up the real estate there from the beginning unlike in the rest of the countries

>>213086594
once again, you're comparing the Budapest of the 1990s to Budapest now. Meanwhile I compare the Budapest of the 1980s to let's say Warsaw (or Sofia, or Moscow, or Bucharest) of the 1980s. Two different things.

>>213083641 (OP)
What it looks like nowadays. Not much better.

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>>213086682
road quality seems OK at least

>>213084218
How can I tell if I don't know???

why stores signs arent baned everywhere, they should promote themself on the internet

>>213086682
It's significantly better

>>213083641 (OP)
warm places can afford being shitholes,cold places don't

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>>213085047
this looks comfy unlike a dilapidated eastern slav shithole with muddy broken roads and sketchy electrical lines overhead + ads

>>213086682
russia is healing

>>213085444
These are blyatiful pics, why did judapest lose its soul

>>213086417
Porn is what 90s hungary will be remembered from. I wonder if those people knew they'd end up on the internet with billions of views.

>>213085417
I watched a documentary on the Hungarian demoscene and there were people talking about using their commodore 64s in the 80s, which confused me

>>213085216
https://youtu.be/hgnrIcZn3PA?si=RfcQCgLGTYhGXjjY

>>213083641 (OP)
Cars are the future, people in the 50's thought.

>>213090926
Hungarians were "spoiled" during communist times. They had McDonalds before the iron curtain fell.

>>213093127
>Portugal Cyka Blyad

>>213083669
That also happens in your country, Capitalism and advertising shit up urban spaces all over the world

>>213083641 (OP)
They flushed the soviet achievements which cost them millions of lives down the toilet for McDonalds and jeans.

Absolute NPC tier.

>>213083641 (OP)
Capitalism

>>213086682
if they got rid of the wires it'd look pretty nice

>>213083641 (OP)
>Why did Russia do this?
The gringos fault though...