Why are Americans so superior?

well they get all the good immigrats

>>213102099 (OP)
can anyone tell me how an IMO gold medalist is raised? How are they trained?

Do these guys all go to one high school? Do they have some elite level trainer or something?

>>213102099 (OP)
Based Americans representing our nation. Proud of them.

>>213102674
share summa dat immigrats with us

>>213102766
just do lots of practice math problems
it's not high level math, you just need speed and critical thinking
and yes A LOT of practice, it's not something you can just do a few times and forget about it, and plus it's pre-college, once that time passed it's pointless to get into it
but the skills you gain will help later on

>>213102099 (OP)
people who are so smart are prone to depression i'm afraid

>>213102766
Do you have "math clubs" back when you were in high school? It's like that. They do math stuff in clubs. Then they enter into competitions for district, cities, states, then nation wide. The best performers are picked for a team. Then somebody would coach the best of the best, they were usually winners of previous Olympiads, or somebody who excelled in their field. They very likely do it for free, as a hobby, or they're there to scout talents.

Team USA's informatics coach is a billionaire himself who works for OpenAI, and he's likely there to scout for talent.

>>213102881
>but the skills you gain will help later on
Not in professional research. The whole
>dude le quirky number theory rote-memorized problems with an obligatory year reference that you have to do in 4 hours on a given day or suck a dick
are nothing like research. There is no extracurricular you can take when you are trained to do research. There is no set time and date when you do research. You do it consistently for years with constant doubt and anxiety in front of you. But it’s always worth it because you finishing a hard proof is like a shot of heroin. Olympiads are like methheads taking a hit.

>>213103042
how did he become a billionaire?

who writes these questions?

the question writers have to be giga genius terrence tao level mathematicians right?

>>213103138
the international math olympiad is for pre-university
you have the answer

>>213103102
entrepreneur, it's the only way these days

>>213103178
how does that answer my question at all moron

>>213103138
no, it's all based on your ability to formalize the problem into more logical math structures, some translation, and understanding of formal language
then you just best apply theory to problem

math at post grad is a bit more abstract

https://www.imo-official.org/problems.aspx

>>213103252
>the question writers have to be giga genius terrence tao level mathematicians right?
no

>>213103042
I am curious why he coached the IOI team instead of the IMO team

is the IOI competition more relevant to ML research?

>>213102099 (OP)
2nd place, actually. Not sure why the medals look gold
https://maa.org/news/usa-earns-second-place-at-66th-internationalmathematical-olympiad/

>>213103366
except for the longhair dude they are gold medals, the prize is for total....

>>213103503
What did he mean by this? I don't follow these gay little math nerd competitions. As far as I can see 1st place in individuals was won by some Russian kid.

>>213103622
1st place literally has the same max points, there are like 4 first places individually

https://www.imo-official.org/year_individual_r.aspx?year=2025

as a country you obviously have too add up all the individual scores

>>213103770
Okay, so it's just a weird awarding system. Rather than awarding Gold to those in 1st place like any other competition, they're doing it based on points.

>>213103990
how do you think they score in sporting competition, it's always points, then you take total or average

>>213104114
>reading comprehension
Gold in almost all competitions means 1st place, anon. You don't get Gold for being in 2nd place. Except in math olympiad, apparently.

No shit the placing itself is based on points, but usually the medals are not based on points, they're based on the placing which is based on points.

Nice jaw on that bitch, I want her to bite my balls off

>>213104262
she's 17

>>213102099 (OP)
usa is a mutt nation
what's wrong?

>>213103097
A ton of fields medalists were IMO contestants. Maybe it's a spurious correlation where you just select the smartest students interested in maths but I don't think it hurts your ability to do research

>Why are Americans so superior?
Imigrants.

>>213104495
Serre is the youngest Fields recipient and he didn't need no Olympiads. Grothendieck was a literal Holocaust refugee and he did just fine.
>I don't think it hurts your ability to do research
It's only tangentially related to it, that's all I'm saying. It's very hit or miss.

Do math olympiads mean anything or is it like a spelling bee where no one actually cares? Do winners go on having a remarkable career?

>>213104617
not remarkable but they get on the radar for talent acquisition, since they are not in college they still have to wait a bit for talent seekers to pick them up
so nothing right away

Why would any child join a math club? Is this an East Asian thing? There are many clubs in school and they picked math?

>>213104803
>Why would any child join a math club?
Because it's fun?

>>213104803
or they can join the football team

>>213104803
many white people and black people join math clubs, but as competition move up they get weeded out, it's not just an asian thing, they just don't have the same practice time

>>213104558
It's hit or miss and you can name exceptions because the pool of "top level researchers in maths" is so ridiculously small and variant that you cannot predict it out of high school in any precise way. But the fact that you sort of can with IMO is really remarkable to me, there is nothing of the sort in physics or literature or anything besides athletics. Even top high school athletes sometimes have shit careers

>>213102099 (OP)
all those guys look like cunts that i went to school with wth

>>213104558
>>213104986
yes there is good correlation between mathematician and olympiad

>>213102099 (OP)
>no pussy ever club linked up, chingchong it or keep it

>>213104870
>muh practice time
Orrr you know, literally the IQ diff.
That's like saying the reason asians aren't in the NFL is because of lack of practice.

>>213105082
we are not talking about population average, if you joined math club you obviously pass the "iq" bar, and there are asians in nfl
stop being wierd

>>213105065
dey get nerdy waito piggu ddlg gfs tho

>>213105065
>>213105162
stop sexualizing teenagers

>>213105140
There are like...2 in the NFL.
Similarly, there's probably next to no blacks that make it to the national level of math olympiad here in the states, much less the international competition.
I'm not being weird, I'm just telling it as it is lol. Did you just blow in from reddit or something, getting mad at genetic truths?

we have our own version, VWO vlaamse wiskunde olympiade (flemish math olympics), never made it to the second round because i'm retarded. it's full of trick questions that if you've seen them once you know. calculus I and linear algebra was more challenging with your future depending on it. evern veritasium made a video on a question i can clearly recall. i also fell for it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUHkTs-Ipfg
>cope
yes. now i know how to solve planetary gears but back then i didn't

>>213105268
why is it always reddit, forget about reddit
it literally is just practice and black people generally don't use their off time as a TEEN to do math problems
if you got into math club and you like doing olympiad problems iq isn't an issue anymore, yes i am very mad, not all problems boils down to race, just look at the silver medalist, that's not an asian no matter how you cut it

>>213102099 (OP)
why canada doesn't?

>>213104986
It works both ways. There are hundreds of kids participating in these competitions. Picking out Tao or Perelman is just selection bias. They would have done fine without the Olympiads. I'm sure it wasn't the Olympiad that made Perelman understand Ricci flow.

>>213105413
i don't think people understand the concept of hard work on 4chan anon.
many high achieving students are simply harder working.
of course, being able to apply yourself is a "high iq" thing in the first place so it's sort of self selecting.

>>213105268
an actually reddit take would be "i didn't try hard in school, but if i did i'd be 200 IQ, SATs mean jackshit, asians are actually too tryhard"

>>213105413
>why is it always reddit
Because you're spewing some very reddity opinions right now, faggot. If you don't wanna get sniffed out, be less obvious and lurk moar.
>it literally is just practice
It literally is not. It is part practice, certainly. But if one does not have a genetic gift, they will never compete at the highest level. You can make it to regionals, state, maybe even nationals depending on your baseline and how hard you practice - but to be at the very TOP, you also need the genetics. For example, you or I could practice for 8 hours a day since age 5 and never reach the Olympics (I'd wager).
>if you got into math club and you like doing olympiad problems iq isn't an issue anymore
No, because part of the competition is also how quickly you can solve them, how consistent you are, and oh you know...whether or not you're actually getting them right. Simply being in math club and competing at the top are two very different things, lol.
>just look at the silver medalist, that's not an asian no matter how you cut it
Yeah well, it's also certainly not a black, that's for sure LMAO

>>213105785
your nose is broken

>>213105592
See the 2nd paragraph here specifically >>213105785
It's funny because you and that other moron have obviously never competed in something seriously yourselves, or you'd know very well the limitations of genetics. Practice will get you far, but the top requires both practice and genes.

>>213105824
Nice non-response. I accept your concession.

Its not race, you literal said the russian got 1st place

>>213106019
Yes, and news flash: Russians aren't black. lol

>>213105916
Yes medalling in IMO and similar comps requies talent.
That's like saying playing high school sport at a high enough level to receive a college scholarship takes more than hard work. It takes a combination of hard work and talent. Like, kinda stating the obvious bud.
Despite that, you've also acknowledged that hard work can take you a long way, enough to be competitive but not enough to be the cream of the crop ... which is kind of my point.

>>213106341
>Like, kinda stating the obvious bud.
Okay, so maybe actually read the reply chain you're responding to before starting to type then, you retarded bogan. Because the redditor that I was talking to before you butted in does not agree with that point.
Fucks sake anon.

>>213106460
What? I'm literally the bogan you replied to and why you saying redditor like it's a bad thing lol??

>>213106169
Ain't nobody saying there's an equal distribution of elite mathematicians or athletes or whatever field between all "races".
We're just saying it's possible to achieve a pretty high level of competency if you just applied yourself.

>>213106460
Yes me, hard work wins

>muh hard work
"One should never try to prove anything that is not almost obvious."
Grothendieck

>>213104803
>be good at math
>can get a good job as a quant or anything else when you graduate
>"wtf why would you want to do math it's gay?"

No wonder you brownoids are retarded and brown.

>>213106658
>doing math for le quant retardation
You aren't a mathematician. Math is done for the sake of searching for the Truth and Order. Some Jew using me to squeeze money is nothing compared to understanding the intricate connections between the various branches of math. Mathematics is an idealist's pursuit; materialistic money-hoarding niggers go into quant, finance, engineering, AI, IT, and other soulless shit. Mathematics is eternal and pure.

>>213106537
>why you saying redditor like it's a bad thing lol??
Goodness this place is absolutely infested with you fucktards now.
Just go back you insufferable faggot. There are no Epstein files on this board. There is no juicy classified intel. This is not a place for internet tourism. Go back. Go back. I repeat: go back.

>>213106822
you're dumb as fuck man

>>213106918
Go back.

>>213102099 (OP)
numbawan

>>213102099 (OP)
Because the smartest Asians move to America so they can get paid more. It's called a "Brain Drain"

>>213111373
they are teens and had been schooled here, they are probably born here

>>213111504
Right, but their parents probably have high skill jobs (doctors, tech companies, etc.) and not only can they afford to send their kids to good schools, but probably also pass some smarts down genetically.