did you know that slovene language didnt have any native swear words so they had to take them from us

>>213128688 (OP)
Ukrainians, Belarussians and Lithuanians have exactly the same myth, they believe their native languages were invented by innocent elves while one day ugly brute Russians/Poles came and forced them to learn disgusting swearwords.

In reality it's because "ugly" cursewords are highly tabooized in rural societies so any society which is mostly composed of peasants, without a strong working class/intelligentsia, will usually use only "weak" curses. I'm pretty sure Slovenes have a great number of typical rural swearwords related to animals, comparing people to dogs, cows, pigs etc. But swearwords about intimate parts of the body or sex overall are highly tabooized in the countryside mentality so they only started using them during rapid urbanization and industrialization in the communist era, which coincidentally, in case of Yugoslavia, was strongly connected to imposition of Serbo-Croatian language onto all Yugoslav nation (in the USSR the same happened with Russian language).

we have them, they are just not as mean as your ones

>>213128688 (OP)
they are too cute

>>213129667
Krščen matiček

>>213128688 (OP)
Neither did we have hyper vulgar swears like jebem ti mater, jebo ti pas mater etc unless you're some turkish import bsonian sthokavian dragan inbredovic karadusmanovic.
Think about it, why would someone say jebem ti boga? Almost like it came from some post-ottoman bosnian shithole where everyone has some kind of a different god.

>>213128898
Another factor is that Serbocroatian culture is partly Altaic, it is not wholly European like Slovenian culture. Their vulgar swearwords are probably the result of Turkic steppe culture or merely Ottoman army machismo, perhaps partly also via the Hungarians, who might have retained something of that brutal asiatic code of conduct.

>>213130447
you're literally a half čefur

>>213130494
I am not native to your culture and language, English is more familiar to me than those.

>>213130543
lol you probably think you are on a dangerous uncharted territory when you cross the border

>>213130208
Tristo kosmatih, kakšna scena!
Ježešmarija!

>>213130596
I've never felt unsafe in Croatia. But I would feel a bit on edge in Belgrade with its postapocalyptic vibe tbth.

>>213130543
betežen si na glavu dečec dragi

>>213130646
your opinion on kajkavian? do you consider us slovenian

>>213130543
You've shown a number of times to know arab/ turkish words that I've never heard of in my life. For example the turkish word for towel, I only knew about ručnik and šugaman and you though me that Serbs and Bosnians in your family use a third word, fascinating! You are far more versed in Ottoman Serbian culture than I will ever be.

>2 schizos dishing it out

>>213130728
>For example the turkish word for towel
I don't remember that and neither did I know ručnik or šugaman before your post. We say brisača.

>>213130723
you're not really Slovenian, your dialects are not more Slovenian than they are BSH. People from Međimurje have Slovenian surnames sometimes, that's about it.

>>213130815
We say ręcznik. Šugaman sounds weird, definitely not Slavic.

>>213130815
funny because i am from medjimurje and we speak the same as your people from prekmurje

>>213130936
Not all Slovenes consider Prekmurian to be the same language as Slovene, and that's not the only such Slovenian dialect, the other one is Resian on the other side of the sprachraum.

>>213130936
Međimurje/Prekmurje dialects are the closest living thing to Pannonian Slavic. The rest of Kajkavian which is also related to Pannonian was exposed too much to Sthokavian, Chakavian etc while Slovene in general is descendant from Alpine Slavic, Slavs that originate from Prague-Korchak culture and moved south over the Alps. In a way Slovenes and Kajkavians (Pannonians) are southern versions of Czechs and Slovaks.

>>213131587
its sad that our dialects are dying and its bringing us closer to serbs

>>213128688 (OP)
We did though
>pojdi se solit
>jebela cesta
>tristo kosmatih medvedov
>pismo
>šmenta polenta
>strela
Or when you're fuming and really wanted to lay down the law
>naj te koklja brcne

>>213131587
Slovenians are thought to be of mixed South/West Slavic heritage even by Slovene authors because after all, Slovene and Serbocroatian share 85% of their lexical stock.

>>213131760
>šmenta polenta
lmao
>>213131797
>Slovenians are thought to be of mixed South/West Slavic heritage
same with northern croatians. although both slovenians and north croatians are way closer to eastern slavs than anyone else from ex yu. we're the OGs

>>213131587
>>213131969

>>213131797
I think that some southern (eastern) groups of South Slavs might have come from the Black Sea route and originate from more East Slavic roots unlike Slovenian and Pannonian-Kajkavian but due to South Slavs becoming completely isolated from their northern ancestors they only had strong influence on each other during the following centuries especially when Turks pushed everyone further north which is why today Slovenian is more similar to Serbian than to Czech.

>>213130875
asciugamano

>>213132169
what could have been...

>>213132427
If there was a timeline of a Slavic Hungary then Kajkavian Croats north of Sava would probably be closer to them linguistically and maybe even join them over Croatia. In our timeline Lower Pannonia was a leftover of Pannonian Slavs between Magyars up north and Chakavian Croats down south but in the end it managed to stay Slavic due to stronger Croatian influence.

>>213128898
Interesting
We have the same distinction between mild curses like suka, etc. and the proper curses like chuj, etc. The latter being much more offensive, but nobody gives a damn these days
There's this also widespread idea that proper curses came from Mongolian invasion, but that's obviously untrue

>>213128688 (OP)
so for millennia your people went about their history without once saying fuck or fuck you or what have you?

Very "pure."

>>213135470
no, but the Jesuits did a number on Slovenia in the mid to late 19th century, extirpating old cursewords and pagan midsummer songs.

>>213135470
On the coast we used your curses like porco dio and they still do in Istria

>>213135470
they just had swearwords of the similar "strength" like "may a lighting strike your house" or "may your cow die from plague", not exactly these but something similar because all rural societies have similar curses and use them instead of those related to sexual acts, the latter only become common in urbanized, industrialized societies/places where old religious or traditional taboos don't work anymore

>>213136073
Slovenia was actually industrialized earlier than Serbia, but it didn't have big cities, is true. However, so was Zagreb, a big city, and they didn't have the same reperoire of 'nabijem ti kevu milu nakurac bre'

>>213136133
>Slovenia was actually industrialized earlier than Serbia,
it doesn't matter because your cities were germanized and whoever immigrated to the city adopted German language sooner or later so Slovene "urban language" couldn't emerge basically until Yugoslavia times.

>>213136073
>all rural societies have similar curses and use them instead of those related to sexual acts, the latter only become common in urbanized, industrialized societies/places where old religious or traditional taboos don't work anymore
They all originate from Herzegovina and that land was always rural and barely industrialized

>>213132169
All south slavs except Bulgarians and Macedonians came from west

>>213136133
if it was about muh Turks, then obviously English, German, French etc. wouldn't have swearwords with sexual connotation either, while they have a lot, so obviously it's not about whatever "barbarian influence" like you (want to) think. It's simply about natural industrialization process. If not for Serbia taking you over, you'd now curse like Germans with scheisses, arsches and whatever else

>>213136421
>They all originate from Herzegovina
no they don't, it's just your stereotypical imagination/wish

>>213136410
not entirely, Ljubljana was always majority Slovene, though education in Slovene was hard to come by until late.

>>213136484
Slovenes never cursed in German, but there were comparable swears like 'drž' gobec' (maul halten).

>>213136547
>Ljubljana was always majority Slovene
these people still had "rural" mentality for long + a lot of these Slovenes simply spoke German on a daily basis, so they had no reason to invent strong Slovene curse words
>>213136606
those in rural areas did not, those in cities probably did, but obviously you won't read about it in 19th century books because...no one wrote down ugly cursewords

believe me, Slovenia isn't special, exactly the same process happened in many other Eastern European countries like already mentioned Ukraine, Lithuania etc., even in nations that had nothing to do with Turks.

>>213137069
Nah, patuljko, there's still the very tangible question of cultural or civ influences. In Slovene drž gobec is still considered supremely offensive, fighting words. However, mothers are not mentioned in Slovenian swearwords, unlike in Serbia, maybe because Slovenes, being subject to northerly influences and also living further to the north, are not really South European or Mediterranean, if nothing else, but more Alpine.

>>213137281
>However, mothers are not mentioned in Slovenian swearwords
yes, because mothers are protected by taboo in rural societies, it's exactly the same in Poland, Ukraine, Russia etc. etc. Nothing to do with Turks, really.

My village great-grandfather would never use any "typically Polish" strong swearword either, words like "kurwa" or "jebać" were totally absent in his personal dictionary and he was angry when someone cursed like this. His swearwords were like "dog's bone", "dog's blood" and such, mostly related to animals (which again, seemed cringe and laughable to anyone who was already raised in the city).

>>213137373
Serbian swearwords were also used throughout the very rural and uncivilized Bosnia, so maybe that theory is not quite sterling. Consider urban pleb Brits, none of them would say 'I fuck your mother', that's more of what a Med Sicilian fron New York would say.

I am 100% sure no one used swearwords like "pusi kurac" even in the most turkified and most backwater Serbian village in like 1850.

>>213136133
>we were all high elves until a Serb talked to us then we Serbianised ourselves :(((((((((((((((

>>213137463
>>213137548
the Slovene term for that would be 'potegni mi ga' and boli me kurac is 'dol mi visi', so more allusive, not as rough

>>213137633
in Polish the idiomatic expression would be "ciągnij druta" (literally: "pull the wire") but "pociągnij mi go" could be used too, that's more descriptive

>>213137633
cuclaj mi ga xd

>>213137633
>so more allusive, not as rough
It depends on how you say it. For example "jebem ti mater" used to be taken more seriously a few decades ago. Now you can say it with a smile and hear it a back, almost like a greeting. We have escaped samsara of small talk.

>>213128688 (OP)
Cool facts.

>>213138168
>Now you can say it with a smile and hear it a back, almost like a greeting.
The Serbian language is evolving in such a way that in a few decades I expected your TV news to start with the host saying "Jebem Vam svima mater!" with a smile on their face.

>>213142275
I listened to some Bajaga recently and he had songs like 'Draga, ne budi peder'. Only in Serbia...