Why does Japanese sound pleasurable to us while Chinese sounds so terrible?

>>213167211 (OP)
I too like how Japanese sounds, Chinese is neutral to me, while Korean sounds disgusting.

>>213167211 (OP)
Brainwashikg by anime.

>>213167211 (OP)
Most likely because chinese has tonal system.

Japanese flows in a way that's familiar to anyone who doesn't speak a tonal language, whereas Chinese sounds all choppy.

>>213167211 (OP)
Mandarin is a tonal language with many strange sounds by all western standards while Japanese has cute vowels in every syllable which sounds very kawaii

>>213167211 (OP)
Chinese is more tonal which sounds weird and the people that are speaking it are typically louder. But also if you base your opinion of Japanese on anime, it's an unfair comparison because those seiyuu purposefully make sexo voices for the anime. It's not like how real Japanese sound.
I agree with the others that K*rean sounds worse than both doe, they add those weird up and down inflections to the end of every sentence.

>>213167261
least obsessed zhang

>>213167211 (OP)
Also japanese has really narrow range of sounds that all appear in most if not all euro languages.

>>213167480
>least obsessed zha-ACK

>>213167211 (OP)
spend some time listening to vietnamese and all other languages will sound beautiful in comparison

>>213167211 (OP)
>Why does Japanese sound pleasurable
it doesn't, you're just a fucking weeb

Unironically when the commies came to power, the dominant mandarin dialect and accent was the worst fucking one of them all.

Mandarin as we know it today is pure bumpkin gibberish. Imagine if the dominant American dialect became southeren black hood speak. But worse.

>>213167475
>if you base your opinion of Japanese on anime, it's an unfair comparison because those seiyuu purposefully make sexo voices for the anime
Actually, they make really annoying voices. People like Japanese despite of that

>>213167211 (OP)
Because Chinese shout and overintonate their language. Mandarin spoken calmly and softly sounds good.

>>213167667
>beijing is bumpkin gibberish

>>213167211 (OP)
Any thoughts on Jap and Chink surnames?

>>213167667
That's actually incredibly correct
Mao invented his own language trying to pierce together all the other languages and dialects
So it's like a mixture of Texas words, Canadian French, Maine and cockney

Maybe 70% of the population actually can understand the current mandarin and even that's pushing it.

Imagine if trump came to power, rewrote the dictionary and put a bunch of random English accents on each words

It's also why we know most of their archeology finds they claim are complete bullshit, they have a tendency to dig things up which have modern mandarin claiming the own the entire south China sea

>>213167766
He's right.
See
>>213167830
What they are speaking now is 1984 Pidgin "mandarin"
Mao fucked the language up out of egotism

Also we know sun tzu was either a random librarian or not real. In no way was he an actual military leader or giving guidance.
Any proof he did was written in languages wouldn't exist for hundreds of years.

The more you dig into Chinese stuff then keep digging the more you realize the CCP just invented half the history of China

>>213167766
there is not a dominant dialect and accent, people outside of beijing dont sound like beijingers.
>>213167830
the percentage is like 80% and it's because older people speak a regional language. also the standardization of mandarin occurred before the communists came to power.

>>213167211 (OP)
Reminder that no one here can actually speak or understand either language and the extent of exposure stops at anime

>chinese
Which chinese, there's like 15 languages called that

>>213167935
It's 80% like 7500 died of covid. It's maybe 70%. Everyone speaks English in general. Can you guess how I know.

>>213168141
You know he's talking about putonghua

>>213167363
>>213167426
japanese has tonal system too

Japanese sounds somewhat similar to italian.
Anyway I don't really dislike chinese.
A lot worse to my ears are thai or viet, but the funny fact is they sound a lot better in songs.

>>213170015
no it doesn't you retard

>>213167261
Korean sounds like Japanese if you listened to Japanese speech for the first time, every time

>>213168003
You don't need that to judge, you just need to listen to them for a while.
I sometimes watch chinese dramas so I'm used to how the language sounds.
Anime sometimes is a bit forced for comedy purposes, but it's mostly how japanese really sounds.

>>213167480
Sybau gaoli banzi

>>213167211 (OP)
I like both

>>213167211 (OP)
Japanese uses vowels a lot

Perhaps most of you have never heard of a real Japanese person speak and are just familiar with cartoon school girls with high pitched voices saying "Oishiiii, EHHHHHH, Bakkin Buckingham yo!" and other braincell vaporisation events

yeah I know I am old

Perhaps most of you have never heard of a real Japanese person speak and are just familiar with cartoon school girls with high pitched voices saying "Oishiiii, EHHHHHH, Bakkin Buckingham yo!" and other braincell vaporization events

yeah I know I am old

>>213167683
>People like Japanese despite of that
>Source my macaco ass

>>213168141
they don't sound meaningfully different to the untrained ear or for the purposes of this comparison

>>213167935
Like half the country sounds straight out of Beijing, some of them don't go ER ER ER like a fucking barbar 24/7 but that's all. And the other half that are super duper unique have like one shitty pronunciation quirk that sets them apart from Beijing and that's all.

>>213170182
I disagree, Korean to me sounds closer to Turkish than it does to Japanese.
If you want languages that sound like each other there's Greek and (European) Spanish, I know Spanish and hearing Greek still produces an uncanny feeling like someone is speaking Spanish with words I don't know.
Russian and Portuguese also sound similar but not to the same extent.

>>213172161
Japanese you can at least recognize the syllables being spoken, chinese is just ??

>>213170162
it kinda does

>>213170162
You know 酒(sake) and 鮭(sake) a have a tone, right?

>>213174322
>鮭(sake)
It's pronouncned Shah-keh

>>213170015
Really? If they did why would they need Kanji for then?

>>213167923
I wouldn't trust chink history in general just because of their people's character and certain cultural attitudes like "saving face"

I can't tell if Cantonese sounds good or bad since they constantly sound angry. Maybe it sounds good when they're not angry.

>>213170015
>record
>record
how do you know the meaning of these 2 words without tone? does that mean english is tonal? is every lang tonal?

>>213170015
that's at.worst wrong and at best misleading
pitch accent works differently from what is conventionally understood to be a tonal system
a tonal system assigns a tone to each syllable in a word while pitch accent highlights one syllable in relation to the others in a word, it's closer to a stress accent in that sense, a stress accent system like English has three elements, pitch change, vowel length, and volume, in japanese, when there's an accented mora only the pitch changes, the vowel length and volume remain constant

>>213174863
you got it, it's more of an accent that just works differently

Pitch accent in Swedish is intuitively just a stress thing to me, that happens to come out like that. Tons of native speakers will have no idea that Swedish has pitch accent. It's not a conscious tone thing.

Japanese sound alot more chinky in real life, it’s not like your slow talking jap animes. And like all asian languages it sounds fucking horrible

>>213175036
Are you a real Swede though? You're easy to recognize because you're always thinking up something to whine about.

>>213167211 (OP)
Japan number 1

>>213167771
damn japanese name sounds UGLY

>>213175084
Så svensk det går att vara din patetiska japan nörd

>>213174438
because
1. they don't have tones assigned to specific kanji (except for mono kanji words but that's just because the word itself has a specific pitch, it doesn't mean that kanji will maintain the pitch when used in a different word or when switching between on and kun readings)
2. even if they had an actual tonal system kanji is still crucial to disambiguate homophones, even Chinese with it's tones and much more complex phonetic system struggles with intelligibility of you ditch kanji, too many homophones even there

>>213174393
米農家の方言を話しません。
文明的な在日の日本語だけ。

>>213167317
More or less. We became accustomed to it.
It is a false narrative though, I don't think chinese sounds horrible, just different

>>213167771
Japanese sound the least like someone doing a racist stereotype.

>>213175386
Yeah it actually sounds more "powerful" and elegant

>>213167211 (OP)
Depends on the dialect, Taiwanese sounds the most human.

>>213175320
It's ironic considering the Japanese you would most likely deal with as I think, as a Gaijin with no discernable skill other than teaching English, is to deal with rural folk in provincial shitholes that are short on English teachers

Check out Viet and other SEA languages.

>>213175237
*Japannörd

>>213175806
And "så svensk man kan vara".

Either not Swede or bad writer.

>>213175173
>t. Lil Dong-guk

>>213167211 (OP)
Both Japanese and Chinese (Mandarin) sound nice to me.
Cantonese is my favourite sounding language though. So beautiful.

>>213175806
>>213175865
Jag är full din gulingälskare

>>213175575
Taiwanese sounds gay as fuck.

>>213167771
My last name is Woo :3

>>213175956
https://voca.ro/1oUFe14t8KoG
This is beautiful in the TOTALLY HONEST TO GOD BRITISH persons ears

>>213175956
>Cantonese is my favourite sounding language though. So beautiful.
>ping ping ping ding ding ding ling ling ling bing bing bing ting ting ting
lol

>>213174868
Except it's more complicated than that because there are stress languages where only the pitch changes.
The real difference between stress and pitch accent is that in a pitch accent language there can be multiple possible pitch contours for the accented syllable (e.g. Swedish, Serbo-Croatian but not Kantou Japanese) and/or the pitch contour must (with few exceptions) always be present when the word is pronounced.
In a stress language the stressed syllable usually only receives a pitch contour when it is the nucleus of a prosodic phrase (= when the word is itself "stressed" within the sentence) and this contour can take on various different pitch patterns depending on the context of the phrase in the sentence. So one part of a sentence may have rising intonation and another falling intonation, and the contour of the stressed syllable is determined by that.
In pitch-accent and tonal languages, prosodic tone is usually instead added to the existing tonal contour of the phrase from what I gather.

The English linguist Dr Geoff Lindsey has a great video explaining (English) prosody (and just generally an interesting YouTube channel about English language linguistics, particularly phonology):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IJLyFAzYes

>>213176044
>>213176030
He's a chinkoid

>>213167372
japanese has a great flow because it consists of open syllabes

>>213176208
I understand that prosody adds another layer of complication to this, I was mostly considering words in isolation in a textbook sense
when spoken in the wild you run into other things like intonation, terracing, highlighting specific words
thanks for the input, really cool stuff

>>213170182
>Korean sounds like Japanese
Huh? I think Korean is more similar to Mongolian than Japanese.

>>213167667
idk I think it's a good thing the standard only has 4 tones not 7

>>213167211 (OP)
because japan is rich and china is poor it's that simple

>>213174868
> pitch accent works differently from what is conventionally understood to be a tonal system
It works differently than tones in Mandarin, sure.
Most African languages are understood to be tonal and they usually have a high tone and a low tone, just like Japanese. This talk of "pitch accent" is more misleading, I think, because languages like Swedish also have a "pitch accent" and it's nothing like Japanese.

>>213167211 (OP)
Japanese is such a polite language that they barely have any official cussing or swear words

>>213172217
>>Source my macaco ass
There a big japanese diaspora in brazil. almost anyone in são paulo or center west, know some japanese who speak japanese. you can tell the difference between chinese and japanese even between they face features.

>>213175588
Teaching a japanese english is like teaching a korean how to write 漢字. Theoretically possibly, but the of effort makes it completely unappealing.
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