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>>213376905 (OP)
I choose the French course in uni simply because she looks better than the other lecturers.

>>213376905 (OP)

Ich erinnere mich immer noch klar am Tag während meiner Unizeit, als ich bei einem meiner regelmäßigen Besuche zu meinem damaligen Lieblingsplattenladen das Album von den Stone Rose zum ersten Mal gesehen habe und ich dachte, man das sieht ziemlich cool aus und ich habe mich eigentlich dafür entschieden, mir das Album ungehört sozusagen zu kaufen, was als eine richtig gute Entscheidung erwiesen hat, weil es eines meiner Lieblingsalbums geworden ist. Ich halte es für viel besser als die später erscheinenden Britpop-Albums. Schade, dass sie nur zwei Albums je veröffentlicht haben. Noch dazu finde ich es wahnsinnig dass das deren Debütalbum war. Irgendwie aus dem Nichts aufzutauchen und dann sowas rauszuspucken ist unglaublich. Geh davon aus, dass die bei anderen Bands zuvor Erfahrungen gesammelt haben, aber immerhin ist beeindruckend.

Mein Lieblingslied davon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvNaHuMJxV4

Everyone write in your dialect !

>>213377643
Made of Stone basiert auf Velocity Girl https://youtu.be/-7N2TA8yMQM?si=dV8XdvBRbTXXBoPZ

Ich mag Bye Bye Bad Man

its weird there arent more visual-based language learning materials

like visual only dictionaries and textbooks (no translation) that only use the target language

itd be more difficult to make (maybe) but it'd be universal. anyone could learn the language regardless of their native language. And there's research finding that you pick up vocabulary way faster by image-association than by word-association

Visual based popup dictionaries for reading would be cool too

>>213377936
you can always read doujin for japanese

Bumping for Stone Roses (I’m not here to learn a language)

thinking of learning italian
dont necessarily want to be fluent, just understand it in writing

>>213378160
Why?

German Jordie here. I need to start one romance language NOW
>French
close to where I live, sounds beautiful, I run into Frogs often, BUT all the normies already know so much about it. Surely I can overtake them, but I will not stand out for knowing French. Also the Frogs across the border who aren't old enough to know Alsatian and Lothringian German probably know English.
>Spanish
already had it in high school, I prefer portuguese
>Portuguese (Brazil)
by far the best sounding one, best music that I care about BUT I probably won't visit Brazil more than once or twice in my life and the Brazilians I meet irl (very cool people) know English and German perfectly well. It will also allow me to read any Spanish text and it's not too mainstream. It might be the most SOVL choice.
>Italian
decent sounding and I can actually use it since I have family there that barely speaks German or English. BUT I don't feel any passion towards Italy and Italian, it's just 'nice'. I have zero Italian blood and I won't be going there much once my relatives have passed. And you're not special for knowing Italian in Germany.
>Romanian
no

>>213378624
i own a vintage italian car thats the only reason lol

>>213377673
τᾷ Δωρίᾳ χραόμενος φωνᾷ βουλοίμαν κα πλέονα εἴπην ἀλλ' οὐ ῥᾳδίως τὸ ἀνῦσαι

>German
>Swedish or Norwegian
>French
>Portuguese
>Italian or Spanish
>Japanese
>Russian
I want to know them all but I don't have enough life left
>>213378753
Choose French or Portuguese then. French is mainstream only among women. It's rarer for white people outside of Francophone countries to speak French. But Portuguese is more hipster. Italian as a backup plan if French and Portuguese filters you
>>213378864
That's an excellent reason, unironically

>>213379359
if you cut out japanese and russian you could probably learn all the rest listed

swedish and norwegian are among the easiest languages to learn and mutually intelligible
spanish/italian are likewise very intuitive to pick up in order
i also found german very easy to learn

i think itd be like ~3.5k hours total to learn all of those to b2, which isn't much longer than it would take to learn japanese alone

my tummy tut weh, what soll ich do'en.

>>213379359
> It's rarer for white people outside of Francophone countries to speak French
agree but not if you live here in the southwest. French vs Portuguese is still very hard

My last Anki installation was fucked, nothing worked right, uninstalling and reinstalling didn't fix it, I had to uninstall, then manually delete folders and files, then delete all keys in the registry with "anki", then reinstall, and now everything works. And that's my courageous story.

>>213377936
There's stuff like Dreaming Spanish and Comprehensible Japanese, which is kind of like what you're saying. Everything in the beginning is just visual based with simple language that gradually grows more complex.

>>213379633
Scheisse. Was hast du gegessen?

It's ironic. Popular language fans end up unmotivated dabblers. But the few people here who were interested in learning a language other than the top 8 actually stuck with it. What causes this?

>>213376905 (OP)
Thoughts?
https://m.youtube.com/shorts/2-jiMDEw_Z0

>>213381194
weiss ich nicht, aber habe ich den ganzen tag nicht gegessen und tut es immer weh.

>>213381636
Xed out at 3 seconds in.

>>213380603
i meant just like textbooks/dictionaries with images labeled with words

some of them have that already but there aren't many that are purely monolingual + visual and extensive

it sounds silly but research says you pick up vocab like 2-3x faster by image association than by associating it to a word in your target language. the human brain is just sort of naturally structured to learn words by direct association this way

E.g if you ever play a fantasy/sci-fi videogame with a lot of units and shit like that - sometimes there can be literally hundreds of new vocab you have to learn throughout the game for items, characters, objects, resources, etc. And you pick up the vocabulary really quickly in that context

its shocking that no one makes stuff like this since its proven to be extremely effective and its way more enjoyable and low-effort to engage with and there would be huge economic returns since its a universal language learning resource that works no matter what the learner's native language is

I hate learning languages. The progress is so slow. I literally feel angsty every time I don't notice any improvements, and that happens quite a lot.

>>213382514
been learning my TL for 2 years now and I still suck. It's okay.

>>213381391
Most people who choose popular languages do so because they "just want to learn a language," but then realize how much work is required and give up. Those who learn niche languages, on the other hand, are truly passionate about them.

>>213381391
Is there even one meme language learner that has stuck to his thing for multiple years?

любoвь

>>213377752
gute Empfehlung. Bin auch Fan von Primal Scream. Bin großer Fan von 80s/90s Indie im Allgemeinen

>>213377936
ya I agree. I didn't know about it while learning german but I've quite liked using babadum . com for french.

should i learn japanese?
I like anime and am somewhat autistic.

>>213384558
yeah

>>213383791
she looks like someone i knew, fk you

>>213384558
What more of a reason do you need?

I worked 11 hours yesterday unexpectedly and I didn't get to finish my Japanese anki deck
Now I want to quit this stupid language
I hate Japanese
I could study German and Russian in the same time it takes me to study Japanese

>>213385146
grass is always greener on the other side m8. Just try to get through as much of your anki backlog as you can and do some easy input or something. Shit happens.

My issue with language learning is that I consume everything in English. I like content creators in English, social media in English, literature in English, etc. I know the key is to be interested in the target language media, but I really can't bring myself to be interested in my TL media despite having reached a decent level of fluency in it.
What language does rival English and Spanish for variety and quality of both internet content and literature? Japanese and Russian? I heard Mandarin media is pretty shit and impenetrable because you need to know insane Romance of the 3 Kingdom references to get lots of jokes.
I'm such a retard. I really miss the grinding of anki cards and mining from books, but I'm absolutely burnt out with the original language I did it for (Korean), and I can't think of good reasons to choose another one.

>>213386543
I spent last year mainly reading literature in French and it's been the same this year.
I don't care about English literature that much, it doesn't excite me anymore.

I have no motivation to do anything since getting back from China (3 days ago). I don't even have the motivation to watch tv or a film
how 2 fix

>>213386543
Mandarin tv sucks but films and books can be good

>>213386614
any literary recommendations? Are you reading mostly the classics or also contemporary writers?

>>213386744
Yeah I'm mostly reading classics.
Right now I'm trying to do a Maupassant read.
Last year I read read 800 or so pages of Maupassant short stories but this time I want to try to read as much as possible including his novels.
The only contemporary writers I've read are historians and Houellebecq, there are just too many classics for me to read to bother seeking them down honestly.
Anyway my favourite French authors are Maupassant, Simenon and Balzac but at this point I don't feel comfortable giving recommendations since I haven't read enough.

>>213386543
Japanese for comfy feelings and emotional drama if anime, maybe Korean if we are talking about normal movies. Russian for niche content.
I've also heard that Japanese literature has its equivalent of every foreign author, so there's something for everyone. I'm not sure if it's true.
The French are known for their literature, but they also apparently pay great attention to translations and I heard that the book market is very good. They also read more than average I think
>you need to know insane Romance of the 3 Kingdom references to get lots of jokes
That's cool actually. Beginner, ignorant-proof content usually sucks

>>213383325
I’m a chronic dabbler who started Welsh with my wife. In the time that I’ve reached at most some phrases in several languages, some level of Latin literacy, and A1 Welsh and Mandarin, she is now able to comfortably and quickly read most welsh and function in most conversations.

This is over about a year and a few months.

>>213383325
>Is there even one meme language learner that has stuck to his thing for multiple years?

Tuigidh mi gaidhlig gu math. Is urrainn dhomh leughadh gun eadar-theangachadh

Celtic languages look so kino, I want to learn Irish or Welsh even though they're useless

>>213389043
Gaelic grosses me out but Welsh is beautiful.

>>213386543
If you weren't a Spanish native, would you say there is enough content in Spanish to make it interesting to learn? I'd like to learn Spanish. I would love to visit Spain. I would love to visit LATAM but I'm kinda worried most of it is too dangerous for a tall obviously-white guy.

The only other language that really calls to me is Japanese, but I feel like I could learn Spanish in 20% of the time. If not less.

>>213384558
Only if you're prepared to spend like three or four hours a day reading and listening to Japanese and another half hour on Anki every day for multiple years. It takes so long to learn that you have to spend a lot of time to make noticeable progress .

>>213389043
>tfw actual native Irish will be extinct in a few generations and the only Irish speakers will be learners with extremely anglicized pronunciation and grammar

>>213392228
>learners with extremely anglicized pronunciation and grammar
The good thing is there are a good number of resources that teach you good pronunciation and grammar and more people on the Irish internet are emphasising those things

>>213389351
Gaelic is wonderful

>>213389043
Scottish Gaelic is still spoken in Alba Nuadh/Nova Scotia so you can always go find some people on Cape Breton who speak Gaelic

>>213382721
Je suis desole, mon fere

>>213392351
>The good thing is there are a good number of resources that teach you good pronunciation and grammar and more people on the Irish internet are emphasising those things
Are they though? Most content online is made by non-natives too (because they greatly outnumber native speakers).

wouldn't it be better to take irish with altered pronunciation over no irish at all athough

>>213392690
Wouldn't it just be a relex of english at that point?
The pronunciation is part of the grammar too. One of the main ways of marking the genitive, for example, is to palatalize the last consonant of a word. A lot of (maybe most) learners don't make the distinction between palatalized and non-palatalized consonants, even though it's phonemic.

>>213392803
i'm just speaking from a practical standpoint. for any form of irish to have a chance to survive, there must be a situation that allows for it to flourish (and be it through second language speakers), only then do the native dialects have a chance to make it. i mean, wouldn't they just coexist with the faulty angloid way of speaking irish? at least that would encourage people to speak irish and natives to teach their kids the language
i think the israelis made concessions like that and now hebrew lives

>>213392351
Idk, Korean used to really not sound good to me and then I spent some time learning the phonetics and now I think it sounds beautiful. Maybe Gaelic would be the same way. I’m half hebridean so I’ve always wondered at Scots Gaelic.

>>213392228
Welsh is kind of like this which is why it has a reputation of sounding a little like Simlish. But it really doesn’t.

>>213392228
Basically what happened to languages like Nahuatl, which became much more like a variant of Spanish than the Nahuatl spoken hundreds of years ago.

Ok I've decided to say fuck anki but not fuck Japanese, my frustrations with my anki deck won't make me quit the language
I will focus on reading and just leave my Japanese anki deck to accumulate before I slam 'good' constantly on thousands of cards

How has /lang/ changed over the past 3 years and over the years in general?

>>213393471
>its been 3 years
it's over

is there a working libgen mirror

>>213393148
It is really interesting, and for once the Duolingo course is actually of good quality

but there are other books too for Gaelic

>>213393648
Anna's archive

>Tame me, nigger. I'm nuts!

>>213394029
hab dank

Is JordAnon still here?

i am learning portuguese STRICTLY to have sex with beautiful white brasilien women

>>213394509
there's antibiotic resistant strains of gonorrhea now, m8, i wouldn't risk it

>>213394509
Settle for a White American woman who wants to racemix with a White Brazilian man.
You're White, right?

>>213394520
that's only in the favelas and non white parts
>>213394577
no i am not. white american women are terrible, and i don't want one.

>>213394652
But are you White?

>>213395709
no i am not. please read my last comment, saar.

>>213390516
Not him but here go my two cents: is there enough content? Yes, especially if you like literature and movies. TV shows not so much, other a good handful. The thing about any kind of Spanish content is that it's meant for the native speakers.
>But that's the case for every language!
True, it's just that the kind of content produced in Spain expects you to have lived through the events they're referencing or some "distant" relation to those events. Ad nauseam references/settings around the Civil War; Franco's dictatorship, 80s kinkis, 2000s economic boom and crisis.

I don't know if that's the case for LATAM, all I've ever watched from any of those countries are: El Chapulín Colorado; El Chavo del Ocho (Mexico) and 31 Minutos (Chile).

>I would love to visit LATAM but I'm kinda worried most of it is too dangerous for a tall obviously-white guy.
I think you should be fine as long as you stay in the touristy areas, they usually take care of tourists.

>The only other language that really calls to me is Japanese, but I feel like I could learn Spanish in 20% of the time. If not less.
I'm currently learning it and it would be a pain if I didn't have the motivation (or the prescriptions drugs to sit and study). You will notice the progress much sooner learning Spanish than learning Japanese. It also helps that you can just make educated guesses since half of the vocabulary is shared via Latin or French.

Hello I want to learn serbian what is the best way to learn it and is there an app like duolingo becauae I haven't found anything.

>>213395823
move there

>>213395833
Lot of balkan people are here so I don't have to move.

>>213393425
Anki as a review tool feels elite. Anki as a learning tool makes me want to suck-start a shotgun, but it works. But I would rather do something that works that doesn’t make me suicidal and just use Anki for it’s intended purpose.

>>213393471
Wow, living proof of how usage + attention to detail constitutes pretty much the sole path to mastery. It means you really need to moderate your expectations and be kind to yourself unless you plan on moving to the TL country or to make it as prevalent in your life as English is for an educated non-angloid.

>>213379530
Ok, I understand when we talk about something like that: >>213395769 but German does not have that much vocabulary in common with other languages like French or Slavic languages. And even with English is not so much shared vocabulary. Japanese seems easy to prounance, Swedish has pitch accent too. Why Japanese is so time-consuming?

>>213397286
>Why Japanese is so time-consuming?
The grammar is completely different from most (if not all) Indo-European languages. So you first have to wrap your head around it. The particles, which seem to have almost infinite different uses, the different ways to convey a similar idea with slightly varying nuances, the formal-casual uses. Then there's the three writing systems, most people will just learn hiragana and katakana just fine and give up when kanji are introduced. Kanji are meant to be written with specific stroke patterns, some are easy to pick up. You could skip learning to write them, but you'd just be putting it off for a few years. Also, one kanji may have different readings, one borrowed from the Chinese reading and a one (or a few) from the Japanese reading.

That's just off the top of my head as someone who has barely scratched the surface, I'm halfway N5.

If you have the motivation and time for it, I recommend picking it up, it's the most fun I've had learning a language other than Latin (or dabbling in Romance languages).

>And even with English is not so much shared vocabulary.
I'd say German shares quite a bit of vocabulary, it just may not be noticeable because of orthography, but as long as you know a bit of etymology you can pick some words up. I never studied German, but my knowledge of Latin and English help me identify nouns in very basic German texts.

>>213397286
>>213397865
I'm somewhere around N3. The most difficult parts of Japanese are

-Grammar. Especially particles and understanding the nuance. Like は vs が, how が is usually used as a subject market but can also be a question in the middle of the sentence like ですが, not to be confused with the か particle also used for questions.

-Kanji. You need to know over 2000 to be fluent. Learning the multiple readings for each is a pain, especially since they are sometimes irregular, and many kanji look similar.

-A seemingly infinite amount of kanji compound words, where you need to know both the reading and the meaning. Sometimes the meaning of the word isn't obvious from the meaning of the kanji, like how 面白い (face + white) can mean either funny or interesting. Then some verbs can have multiple meanings with verb compounds. Like how 上がり込む (to rise + to be crowded) means "to enter)

>>213398376
Yeah, to add on to the point about the grammar: the fact that the grammar is so alien means it'll take a long time to actually settle in even if you think you logically know how it works because you read all of Tae Kim's guide a few times. Just hearing someone speak you won't get the message the first time unless you've listened to a good amount of Japanese.

>>213397865
There are some remnants in German, but I think they were purging the language of Gallicisms in the 19th century. Similarly, Russian and Polish have many more loanwords from Romance languages (Polish surprisingly borrows a lot from Italian, in addition to the standard borrowings from French), and Czech and perhaps Croatian were reslavized.
Latin or Slavic languages also help you understand grammatical cases more easily. I've heard that Anglophones have the most trouble with this.
These three writing systems are the coolest thing in Japanese imo. And the strokes order makes sense when writing quickly, just like in our alphabet, you can easily guess a letter or word by its general shape
Fuck, I want to learn Japanese so bad, now

>>213398376
>how が is usually used as a subject market but can also be a question in the middle of the sentence like ですが,
That's the same use as ですけど and it's to provide contrast between two sentences (like "but") or to provide context for the following sentence. Sometimes sentences end with this が・けど to leave the following part unsaid and open for interpretation and make it less confrontational or direct.
Not sure when you can use it to ask a question.

>>213398762
My point is that there are so many little grammatical rules with subtle differences like that. For example, you have
ですけど
ですが
どころか (More like "let alone")
ものの (used for concessions)

These rules start to add up, especially when you are already taking a lot of time just learning 2000 kanji and all the vocabulary. I was doing 10-12 cards per day when I was going through the Core 2k/6k. This is one of the big reasons why Japanese is so much more difficult and takes so much more time.

>>213399028
For example, I learned ものの by sentence mining the phrase

最初こそ一国一城の主だと意気込んでいたものの、結局のところ実家暮らしと特に変わりも無く

There are so many elements that make it difficult for people who only speak European languages. You learn a Japanese proverb that only makes sense with their history 一国一城の主, a compound verb 意気込む which takes some interpreting skills to understand the metaphorical meaning, understanding what a concessive element ものの is, a set phrase 実家暮らし which also takes interpretation skills (understanding that real + home means "parent's home), and understanding that a negated verb 変わりなく can be split in half 変りも無く.

>>213393471
fewer challenges
lost some good posters like the mexican learning french/chinese
jordie left finally
threads die more imo

>>213399028
>>213399028
Yeah I agree with you, Japanese is very tricky for many reasons. One of them is that there's so little overlap in the logic underpinning how the grammar works and what words mean and how they combine together between Japanese and European languages. Besides things describing simple concrete concepts (like water = 水), most words will have so many nuances and different uses that you can't easily find things that are 1:1 equivalents.

And I say this as someone who speaks two totally unrelated languages, Arabic and English (as well as other European languages, but those aren't different enough to matter for this discussion). I often still find 1:1 equivalents between English and Arabic words, whether it's regular words or function words, things where if you know that word or concept in one language, you can simply learn its translation in the other and be okay using it in the same way. The etymology between these words is often completely unrelated, but the function and logic is similar. In my experience this is not the case with Japanese.

A simple example is trying to say "and" in Japanese, there's just no one word for that that fills the same role. In Arabic you just use و (wa) and it functions more or less the same way "and" does in English. You want to say "and" in Japanese? Well are you connecting two nouns as part of an exhaustive list (と), two nouns describing the subject (で), two verbs (~て), two adjectives (is it an i-adjective (~くて) or a na-adjective? (で)), two sentences (そして, among others), are you trying to make an non-exhaustive list? is it a list of nouns (や・とか), verbs (~たり...たり・とか), a list of reasons (し...し), etc.

And this extends for so many words, try saying "while" or "because" or "also"...

>>213379530
He's Polish, shouldn't Russian be relatively easy for him?

Just imagine yourself learning Russian, yes russian, that fucking disgusting, nasty, putrid language. fucking inserting it into your brain. Having that goblin speak inscripted inside your memory.
Now imagine people doing that deliberately to themselves.What have the world come to?

>>213402001
If you want to become an Astronaut for both NASA and ESA Russian language skills are literally mandatory.

>>213400929
Good examples. It makes sense that there would be at least some cross over between European languages and Arabic despite their different etymologies since Europeans and Arabs have been in contact for so long and both follow Abrahamic religions. One example I found interesting is the phrase "You reap what you sow". It makes sense that Japanese people wouldn't use this phrase since it comes from the Bible, but a few weeks ago I found in my immersion the phrase 身から出た錆 (the rust that comes from your body) that has pretty much the same metaphorical meaning. Where we would use Biblical metaphors, the Japanese use samurai metaphors; if you don't take care of your sword, it rusts, and your body can also "rust" if you don't take care of yourself. Cultural differences like that take some getting used to.

I also find it interesting when the reverse it true; when phrases translate almost perfectly. The phrase マグロ女 (tuna woman) refers to a woman who is inactive during sex, like how in English we would call them a "dead fish".

>>213402029
alright mr. astronaut

>>213400929
The way I'd describe learning Japanese vs learning another European language on a fundamental level is the following:

Imagine you grew up speaking a European language, your brain has this sort of linguistic structure with all the concepts and the corresponding words for them and how they connect to each other embedded in it. If you learn another European language, it's often just a matter of substituting those words from your native language with ones from your TL, while keeping the underlying concept and relationship between the concepts intact. In short you're keeping the general structure you acquired from your native language and just changing some of the building blocks with ones that are identical in function but have a different color. A lot of the time you don't even need to substitute anything because of the large number of cognates and shared vocabulary.

If you learn a language like Japanese, not only will you have to acquire the words from zero (pronunciation, writing, etc.) because there's very little in the way of shared vocabulary, these words will also function differently and relate to each other in new ways, that you can't simply substitute them into the existing structure, you have to rebuild the entire structure from the ground up.

With the caveat that yes you still need to learn new concepts between European languages and you don't have to relearn all concepts from zero if you're learning Japanese, I'm exaggerating a bit to highlight the difference.

>>213400929
>A simple example is trying to say "and" in Japanese, there's just no one word for that that fills the same role.
This is actually not uncommon in languages around the world. It seems to be an areal distribution so it makes sense Arabic is similar to European languages in thia respect.
https://wals.info/chapter/64

>>213402075
Idioms are a good example of something that is surprisingly often shared between English and Arabic but is totally alien in Japanese.
I was taken aback when I learned that the Japanese use 一石二鳥 (one stone two birds) because it's unusual to find this sort of similarity. It's amusing that they turned an English idiom into a 四字熟語.

>>213402288
I don't think it's totally unique to Japanese to have different words for "and" depending on use (although I don't know if other languages have this same amount of different ways of saying it, maybe Korean does) just that it makes it hard to learn in ways people don't necessarily expect..

>>213400929
>You want to say "and" in Japanese? Well are you connecting two nouns as part of an exhaustive list (と), two nouns describing the subject (で), two verbs (~て), two adjectives (is it an i-adjective (~くて) or a na-adjective? (で)), two sentences (そして, among others), are you trying to make an non-exhaustive list? is it a list of nouns (や・とか), verbs (~たり...たり・とか), a list of reasons (し...し), etc.

Jesus Harold Christ i used to think weebs were retarded for trying to learn an extremely hard language in the time it would've taken them to learn 5 IE languages but i now have a grudging respect for them. I mean honestly it takes guts to hold out after seeing a grammatical catastrophe like this and still be like "yep I'm gonna keep going".

Respect, weebros. I'm sorry i thought so poorly of you.

>>213402947
>i used to think weebs were retarded for trying to learn an extremely hard language in the time it would've taken them to learn 5 IE languages
This utilitarian way of thinking is what prevents normies and dabblers to learn a language.

>>213385146
Calm down brother
Think of the anime girls

>>213404757
real, being able to explain the intricate workings of your tl's grammar and nuances with pure sureness is incredible, and confidence boosting but sadly antithetical to non-committers.

Kurwa bober. Now I want to learn Japanese so much. Fuckin' weebs
Captcha: kwwww

>>213406521
Do it. You can learn it for free. Look around this very board or /jp/ and you'll find plenty of resources to learn Japanese.

>enter thread
>no one is talking about my TL
>leave
it's Chinese btw, also
>he doesn't have ads in his TL
>he doesn't have his fyp laced with content in his TL
NGMI

>>213399221
>>213400929
this is the main difference between Chinese and Japanese imo bc Chinese grammar is really not hard at all

>>213406939
I'm learning German though

>>213398376
Aren’t the Kanji compound words pretty much all Chinese loans, and therefore they just use the onyomi most of the time right?

>>213402075
种瓜得瓜种豆得豆。
Means effectively the same thing in Mandarin.

Also the 4 character idioms like 2 birds one stone are in mandarin as well.

>>213393471
It seemed like in the past this general was mostly isolated from the rest of this awful board, but more recently I think the cancer has been seeping into /lang/ at an accelerating rate.

>>213410048
no, there's alot japanese invented chinese words, and the pronunciation depends.

>>213410048
Yes but with some variation. For example, 毎年 (every year) can be read as either maitoshi or mainen. 毎月 (every month) as either maigetsu or maitsuki. 故郷 (home town) as either furusato or kokyou. Many compound words have multiple readings.

>>213385146
But why would you need
>German and Russian
What would you do with them?
At least Japanese has anime

I just kept misreading かわる as わかる. I finally get the utility of kanji other than them being pretty. I can read and write English just fine but feel like I have dyslexia in hiragana-only text.

>>213414078
Same. I sometimes find it harder to read without kanji than with. Wait until you start consuming media that uses irregular kanji for common words. I've been playing a vn recently that uses 判る instead of 分かる and 愉しめる instead of 楽しめる

>>213414078
>feel like I have dyslexia in hiragana-only text.
Hiragana-only is the true hardmode of Japanese

>>213414636
Unless, like a Japanese 5-year-old, you're already fluent but illiterate in the language :^)

Best language to learn if you want to commit to something ? Anything but Asian languages, too difficult and not my thing. I thought maybe German because grammar seems extremely hard to memorize and stuff. Any thoughts ?

Redpill me about learning a language while you sleep, what do I have to do to do it? I've been listening to easy chinese podcasts while I sleep but I haven't improved at all

>>213415567
French or Spanish

These fellas...

>>213415567
>if you want to commit to something
You have to have some kind of excitements. Be interested in history, like music in the language, movies, literature, friends.

>>213415567
If you dont have a reason to learn it you'll drop it within months anyways. You can't and won't ever commit to something unless you have a driving force making you want to do so

>>213416193
it doesnt work
you have to do the work

>>213416965
I did the work and it didn't work, please, I need a cheatcode or I will give up entirely

>he doesn’t listen to the news in his TL

>>213417165
If you work a mindless job, listen to a learner's podcast in your target language for 3 or 4 hours a day, genuinely trying to understand (not using it as background noise). Graduate to native podcasts when ready. It helps a lot over the course of months. That's the closest thing to a cheat code I know of.

Advantages of learning Norwegian?

>>213417362
Very slightly increases your chances of marrying into the norwegian royal family

>>213417362
You can move to Norway

>>213417209
I basically exclusively get my news through german sources.

Just finished section 3 of Duo French.

>>213418440
je suis desole

>>213417362
you can read Knut Hamsun

>>213418496
de rien!

>>213418440
le chat est dans le four

>4000 hours of Jap
>250 of spanish
>spanish will catch up very soon
>I'll be even able to write it unlike jap
Just crazy how difficult the language is, worth every effort I put into but it's kinda unreal.

>>213420576
are you from the francophone part of Switzerland because that would make spanish easier, but ya you are right. It is insane.

>>213420576
Imagine how much harder you would’ve found Spanish if you hadn’t already learned so much Japanese.

I found putting my head down and seeing how far I could get in Chinese for 6 months made my Latin and long dormant French suddenly get better just because of how trivial it suddenly felt in comparison.

>>213417316
Anyone have recommendations on Korean learner’s podcasts?

Does learning Japanese and a second foreign language make sense? If so, should I learn Japanese with French or German?

>>213421404
Learn Igbo and Swahili

>>213420576
Makes me want to reconsider picking up Mandarin

>>213415567
German grammar is easy if you just seriously crack at it for like a week. It looks daunting at first because you have to know the gendered articles, but that's why you always learn new nouns with the article and try to just think of the article as being part of the word rather than something detached from it

>>213416193
Snake Oil bullshit, nobody learns languages while sleeping.
Might be good to accustome your brain to the sounds of it, maybe...

Why the hell are Semitic languages so damn hard? I just can't comprehend the Hebrew script and I just can't remember Arabic vocab

>>213423685
the scripts have no vowels right? that sounds like a nightmare

>>213421468
^
watu zaidi wanapaswa kujifunza lugha za afrika

>>213424761
They have vowels now, neither are true abjads. Though you can generally skip the short vowels, since there's only 3 and the bulk of the meaning of the words are given via the skeleton (consonants, long vowels). I don't actually have a problem with that part, I just can't remember the vocabulary at all for Arabic and just can't seem to learn Hebrew's script

best meme languages to learn
>Avestan
>Breton
>Catalan
>Cornish
>Galician
>Ge'ez
>Occitan
>Walloon

>>213425306
i was surprised to see that catalan is actually gigacommon in catalonia, i'm doubting its meme status

>>213425120
What's funny about hebrew is that modern hebrew doesn't even have vowel length, so what vowels they choose to write might as well be completely random.

>>213426062
are there irregularities in vowel patterns so they clarify which pattern it is?

>>213416193
Only works if you're awake and absorbing the vocab. I did that with some relaxing voice for Irish, French, and Spanish before. It might make it more likely to have dream in, or at least featuring, your target language. If you're susceptible to outside stimuli influence effecting your sleep.

>>213426427
What'd you watch for Irish?

>>213398743
>Similarly, Russian and Polish have many more loanwords from Romance languages (Polish surprisingly borrows a lot from Italian, in addition to the standard borrowings from French), and Czech and perhaps Croatian were reslavized.
Are you implying that Polish has much more Romance loanwords than German has? Lmfao, how delusional are you, retard?
>Czech and perhaps Croatian were reslavized
Loanwords they use all the time in Czech: akorát, chvíle, děkovat, existovat, fajn, fungovat, furt, hajzl, kamarád, koukat, legrace, mizera, sakra, škoda

Particles: v rámci, bez servítků (probably more I should search sometime)

Calques from German: jednadvacet ("einundzwanzig"), mám hlad ("Ich habe Hunger"), Můj pes slyší na jméno Džok ("Mein Hund hört auf den Namen Dżok")

Forms of greetings which compared to Polish greetings definitely ain't pure: ahoj (from English "ahoy"), čau (from Italian "ciao"), čus (from German "tschüss").

>>213425800
Who would've thought?

>>213425120
Anon if you can't even get Hebrew's easy script to stick then you definitely won't enjoy Arabic grammar (نحو) which is an absolute nightmare even for native speakers. Iirc in highschool we had to learn most of (formal) Arabic's grammar and it was like 60 lessons with a separate textbook for the grammar alone that was like 400 pages. Yes a lot of those features are no longer used in normal speech and completely/partially fossilized but reaching "full" fluency is gonna be a nightmare for you. Please do consider using your time for a better and more useful language than that of brown arap monkeys (me).

>>213416193
omelette du fromage

>>213428546
kek
i just mean that local languages elsewhere in europe are not as big and widely spoken in all walks of public life as in spain and italy, i guess i couldn't imagine that before i saw it myself
that being said, i really like catalan and catalonia

>>213429632
I'm not even from Catalonia, but I do speak the language. It amazes me that languages with 1-4 million native speakers get more recognition in the EU than Catalan, which has about 10 million.

What are some useful resources for learning Dutch as a German speaker? I want to make an image guide if there isn't one already.

>>213429727
yeah. also amazed at how well this works in spain, that there's more catalan sinage in barcelona for example than there is in spanish, that you're first and foremost addressed in catalan, etc.
kinda mad that the EU doesn't give a shit about that. but shouldn't get ahead of ourselves here, consider the basques for a second))

>>213429736
das assimil-lehrbuch ist gut und legt ein solides fundament dafür, zumindest in einfachen gesprächen das meiste zu verstehen

Icelandic is the only meme language worth learning

>>213416193
The true redpill is that you already learn languages in your sleep. When you sleep, your brain processes what you learned during the day.
The mistake is trying to do awake stuff when you're sleeping. Focus on how you spend your awake hours, and let your subconscious worry about the sleeping part. And make sure your sleep is long enough and high quality.

Nearly had an autistic meltdown the other day about how many retarded Americans were in comments on normalfag internet “correcting” a geography chart that displayed the British Isles to “the Celtic Isles.” Was that meme where the 1/4 Irish is lecturing Irish people for real. Why do normalfags just say things without learning or thinking? Britons are Celts.

>>213376905 (OP)
I’m learning Dutch on Duolingo. Het is goed. People tell me it is useless, but I never got any connections knowing French except some friendships. And I find the Dutch quite likeable. That’s good enough for me. I hope to learn Swedish next.

>>213428301
Yes, I think we have more vocabulary from Romance languages than German. Of course, language purification isn't perfect, but it did happen in German, although there were occasional mistakes, with Germanic words being removed by mistake or loanwords being left in. I mentioned Croatian because, compared to Serbian, it seems to have more Slavic vocabulary. Czech was essentially revived almost from scratch during a period of strong anti-German resentment. Even Icelandic has some loanwords, and it hasn't been completely purged, but its linguistic purity is a fact compared to most Nordic languages.
A few examples don't matter, we need hard data

>>213431022
>Yes, I think we have more vocabulary from Romance languages than German.
Well, that's what /you/ think. Just because we're catholic freaks doesn't mean we have more loanwords from Romance than German has. We also had some purification. If we hadn't we would've still use words like "wiktoria" instead "zwycięstwo", "dysertacja" instead "rozprawa", "konduita" instead "obyczaj" or "kawalera" instead "młodzież". Unfortunately, we are still stuck with words such as kwestia, okazja, racja, sens, reszta, szansa, etc. but even German has some of these words (Sinn, Rest, Chance). They also use "natürlich" all the time, and while we also say "naturalnie", we use "oczywiście" much more often. Also we don't call family "Familie". We use "rodzina". Similar with "Nation", we use "naród". Or "Regierung" which comes from Latin "rego", we use "rząd". This just proves that German didn't have such radical purification (like you said, it isn't perfect) but so did not Czech. You mentioned Icelandic and you're right about it. If we are talking about pure languages then this language is the best example.

>>213431551
because we were Italophiles and then Francophiles. Furniture, art, clothing, the military, finance, and culinary are all full of Italian and French borrowings. Even such non-obvious things as socks.

>>213431732
>Furniture, art, clothing, the military, finance, and culinary are all full of Italian and French borrowings.
That's the case of every european language, tbf.

>>213171092
Very easy
>The book is red
كىتاب قىزىل
>The dog runs
ئىت يۈگۈرىدۇ
>He is tall
ئۇ ئېگىز

Easy
>The boy is running
بالا يۈگۈرىۋاتىدۇ
>I played piano yesterday
تۈنۈگۈن پىئانىنو چالدىم
>Today there are many people in the inn
بۈگۈن مېھمانخانىدا كۆپ ئادەم بار

Medium
>John always burns something when he tries cooking
؟؟ بىلمىيمەن
>I'm almost out of salt, so I have to buy more.
تۇزۇم تاس يېتەرسىز، شۇڭا يەنە ئېلىمەن كېرەك
>The young man will need to clean the house tonight.
يىگىت بۈگۈن كېچتە ئۈينى پاكىز قىلىش كېرەك

has anyone here learned japanese without taking professional lessons or courses (uni)?

how has your progress been? what did you do?

>>213436114
You should check the various Japanese threads on /int/ or the ones in /jp/. There's plenty of free resources to learn the language.

>>213427156
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D46AW4r2i8

This. For some reason, Gaelic and Celtic languages in general are very relaxing and soothing to me. Almost like ASMR when spoken softly by almost any. Even if the pronunciation isn't quite right. Irish, Scottish Gaelic, and Welsh do it the most, but probably because they have the best recordings and purer vocabulary and sounds.

>>213436292
A relative's judo career led to me being obsessed with Japan.

>>213436480
The Irish government should sponsor something like dreaming Spanish but for Irish.

>don't worry, even native speakers make mistakes
>"mistakes" are just them using a lower register of the language but otherwise being completely fluent and grammatically correct

>learning a meme language

You're going to get tired of it. Maybe not now, but eventually. You have to maintain language knowledge. If there are like 3 million speakers worldwide, there just isn't going to be enough material to hold your interest unless you have a real connection (live in driving distance or something).

Quina mandra em fa el canadenc aquest.

>>213171092

Very easy
>The book is red
O livro é vermelho
>The dog runs
O cão corre
>He is tall
Ele é alto

Easy
>The boy is running
O menino está a correr
>I played piano yesterday
Ontem, toquei piano
>Today there are many people in the inn
Hoje, há muita gente na pousada/no hotel
Medium
>John always burns something when he tries cooking
O João quiema alguma coisa sempre que tenta cozinhar
>I'm almost out of salt, so I have to buy more.
Estou quase sem sal então tenho de comprar mais.
>The young man will need to clean the house tonight.
O jovem vai ter de limpar a casa hoje

¿Dónde está el baño?

>>213438617
nesciō

>>213377673
Griaß di :)

>>213171092

>The book is red
Honwa akai
>The dog runs
Inuwa hashiru
>He is tall
Karewa sega takai

>The boy is running
Otokonokowa hashitte iru
>I played piano yesterday
Kinoo piano'o hiita
>Today there are many people in the inn
Kyoowa ryokan'niwa hitoga ooi

>John always burns something when he tries cooking
Jonwa ryoori'o shiyoo to suru to itsumo nanika'o kogete shimau
>I'm almost out of salt, so I have to buy more
Shioga moo sugu nakunarunode motto kawanakereba naranai
>The young man will need to clean the house tonight
Shoonenwa kon'ya ieno sooji'o shinakereba naranai

>>213438947
It looks like some african language when written like this, kinda jarring

>>213438943
scheene daach

>>213430356
It's alright if you use other sources while you do it to learn the grammar

>>213377673
das wöötzte nich

might dabble in inuktitut

Can we cover which languages are based and which are cringe?

Spanish
English
German
French
Japanese
Chinese
Portuguese
Russian
Meme Language of choice

>>213444396
>Based
(You)r languages
>Cringe
My languages

>>213444396
The languages I know/want to learn are based
The rest are cringe

>>213444396
Dedlangs and conlangs are cringe, the rest are based

>>213444396
>Based
English
French
German
Japanese
Latin (Classical)
Ancient Greek
Korean (Northern dialect)
Polish

>Meh
Italian
Modern Greek
Latin (Ecclesiastical)
Russian
Dutch
Hungarian (based with larp)
Mandarin
Cantonese
Korean (Southern dialect)
Portuguese (Brazilian)

>Cringe
Spanish
Portuguese (European)
Ukrainian
Hindi
Any conlang

>>213444832
Worst Korean bros...

where my french-learning bros at

>>213445006
Africa and the Middle-East.

>>213444396
Based: English, Japanese
Cringe: the rest

>>213171092
Very easy
>The book is red
Das Buch ist rot
>The dog runs
Der Hund läuft.
>He is tall
Er ist groß
Easy
>The boy is running
Der Junge läuft
>I played piano yesterday
Ich habe gestern Klavier gespielt
>Today there are many people in the inn
Heute gibt es viele Leute im Gasthaus
Medium
>John always burns something when he tries cooking
John verbrennt immer etwas, wenn er zu kochen versucht.
>I'm almost out of salt, so I have to buy more.
Ich habe fast kein Salz, also ich muss mehr kaufen.
>The young man will need to clean the house tonight.
Der junge Mann wird heute Abend das Haus aufräumen müssen

>based
English
Russian
German
French
Portuguese brazil
Icelandic
Welsh
Persian
>cringe
chinese
swahili
danish
japanese
turkish
arabic

>>213444263
just do greenlandic, you can just use the book in the mega, pretty interesting desu

>>213445503
>>213444832
>>213444396
Russian is cringe

>>213444832
Good taste for Based

>>213444396
Good list. Honorable mentions for Italian, Korean and Scandi langs, but pretty much anything outside of the top 10 PLI is worthless dogshit.

>>213445006
Here, what are you studying or inputting with?

do you guys have any advice for a guy that wants to learn languages but is a pisces?
how do I succeed?

>>213446072
hello I'm studying for my B2 diplome. I had troubles with my previous teacher because she spent most of the lessons' time just going through boring exercises and nitpicking every single aspect of a text but my new teacher told me I should be ready to take my exam this December

what about you?

>>213446881
>"guy"
>knows what his sign is
Hmm...
>actually CARES
Ok, I'm not buying it. You know the rules, tits or GTFO, sweetheart.

>>213376905 (OP)
All day spent watching French reality tv. I am about to give this shit up. I hate French people.

>>213448504
lel

>>213448504
>I am about to give this shit up
You should.

>>213447985
im gay

>>213448504
It's not French people's fault that you chose to watch slop

I'm going to learn Japanese. I have decided. I'm definitely doing it this time and not giving up. It's fucking happening.

>>213449614
what motivates you?

>>213449798
I'm a disgusting weaboo

input to find love

>>213444832
why is PT-PT cringe?

Is Korean hard?

>>213451131
Yes it's also pointless when Chinese and Japanese exist

>>213448504
Many such cases.

im quitting japanese.

it's already over.

How long, so ofc years, would it take to :

> reach A2/B1 German

Let’s say 2 hours a day (that’s not a lot I know).
Also does German feel satisfying overall or does it just end up like crazier or worse ?

Brazil > Portugal confirmed

>>213451684
6-9 months according to my sources (ChayGPT)

>>213447983
Ah interesting!

I started 2 months ago, so I am just listening to podcasts and doing a "easy reader" book. I do it just because I am curious so I am not as professional as you kek

>>213449947

>>213451684
intensive A1/A2 French courses in uni took 45 days combined, three hours a day. You can easily reach A2 in one year with two hours a day.

>>213382362
You mean something like this?
https://www.langenscheidt.com/shop/Deutsch/Selbstlernen/Woerterbuch/Langenscheidt-Bildwoerterbuch-Gastronomie-978-3-12-514311-1

>>213455033
Imagine giving her lessons on your TL, asking her questions at the end of every lecture, and ripping out her fingernails, her teeth etc one by one every single time she gets a question wrong, and enjoying the sight of her mindbroken and shaking in fear in front of you begging for mercy

>>213455088
Why are you like this

>>213445006
ici

>>213455088
ok this is epic

Are you more interested in polyglottery or polyliteracy?

>>213455088
am wenigsten frauenfeindlicher Musel

>>213450523
Portuguese is a worse version of Spanish, which is already a cringe language. But at least Brazilians have funny accents, so its a sort of "its so bad its good". European Portuguese is just mediocre.

>>213455764
My only interest in spoken communication is to avoid the embarrassment of being able to read a language without speaking it, have an interest in living and dead languages, care about acquisition primarily and don't enjoy studying grammar, the development of languages is just mere trivia for me and not something I really care about unless it's necessary for reading the language like it is in Old Norse and my primary focus is on literature

>>213437251
If they had that + immediately met existing demand for immersion schools Gaelic would start bouncing back almost immediately. But they’re asleep at the wheel on this.

>>213455764
Polyliteracy. I'm anti-polyglottery. I don't even want to speak English.

>>213454549
>Langenscheidt
If only they sold more widely in the US rather than solely on Amazon

>>213449947
based

>>213455033
Hint that Dreaming German is next

>>213458484

French is a cursed language. the most disgusting Romance language by far

>>213459074
chill on your french canadian brethren

I refuse to output. I'm learning TL because I want to read and watch TV. I refuse to talk to a native

>>213460225
based

>>213445525
inuktitut has a cooler writing system though.

>>213455764
>Korean
Polyglottery
>Mandarin/Classical Chinese
Polyliteracy
>Romance
Polyliteracy

I firmly believe that the amount of spoken languages one can speak to an advanced level without an absurd time investment is like 2-3 max depending on how foreign it is. Even really accomplished guys like Arguelles and Kaufman seem very conservative when estimating what they can speak well and they spend all day learning.

>>213449614
This sounds like something Jordanon would say, or that russian guy who couldn't decide which english. No way u'll stick with it.

>>213460470
there's no resources for inuktitut THOUGH

>>213461336
If he says it once, good for him. If he makes a habit of it, he gets added to picrel

>>213455302
In Turkey we have this thing called "femoid fatigue", think stuff like the Japanese "shiki" aka four seasons

>listen to TL radio
>it's just garbage american pop slop
every single time

>>213464569
You should have listened to French radio

>>213445589
why do you hate russian so much bro

>>213464569
Surely there is more than one radio station?