new suffering map just dropped

>>213404004 (OP)
Ukraine just graduated to the 4th world

the average italian does NOT earn 2000 euros net.

>>213404071
Mario, you don't know the difference between average and median. What normal people consider average is actually called "median" in statistics. Average is when you have 0$ but Elon Musk or Bezos walk into your room and suddenly the average net wealth in your room goes up to $200 billion per person. That's the average, so yeah, the average wage in Italy is $2000 but the data is skewed due to Italian Musks. I guarantee you the average Ukrainian is earning less than $300 a month, too. It's the same for all countries

I still don’t get how iceland generates money, is it just a small population perk?

>>213404140
Belarus, by the way, has one of the lowest levels of wealth inequality in the world, but the average Belarusian earns about 400 euros (I would say 80% of the population earns more or less that much), and in Ukraine the situation is even worse than in Russia with income inequality, so it looks like it's a real mess there.

>>213404004 (OP)
I'm ok with this.

>det er deilig å være norsk i danm-ACK!

>>213404173
Their worship of the elves rewards them with gold

>>213404173
Small countries are financial hubs for big business and don't spend money on expensive things like military and geopolitics, so they can be rich without manufacturing anything. The downside is that if shit starts to boil in the global economy, they get hit the hardest.

>>213404863
I think you are confusing something, Ukraine has one of the lowest not wealth but income inequalities in the world. Which is true because unlike the West Ukraine is more of a stereotypical 19th century capitalist society where the rich derive their income from capital and hidden bribes, not actual salaries. Meanwhile in the West CEOs can be paid tens of millions of $$$ annually and all those salaries are reflected in statistics.

>>213404863
Ukraine is like that because of Russia and Russia's corruption, not even mentioning the war that was started when Ukraine already began to recover

>>213404981
It's very convenient to always blame foreigners, isn't it? Poles are always innocent, Germans are always innocent, Russians are always innocent, Ukrainians are always innocent, Japanese are always innocent. Everybody is innocent and yet when you ask those innocent parties, you discover that everybody else is evil.

What? I heard that Poles here earn $2,000 a month.

>>213404981
>Ukraine already began to recover
Recover from maidan? Lmao.

>>213404938
Well, I know for sure that Ukraine is very different not only in terms of the western part and the eastern part, but even on the village-city level, much more than in other countries. My relatives have traveled to Lviv, western Ukraine, several times, and they said that they had never seen such a shocking level of poverty in rural areas and small towns before, and this is especially true given that we ourselves are from the village and are far from rich. They went before 2020, and maybe something has changed, but I suspect that COVID and the war have made things quite worse in the last five years.

>>213404173
not having a massive brown underclass that sucks up an astronomical amount of resources helps a lot. Iceland is pretty much the closest Europe has to an ethno state and they're the living example why such systems work. they don't have to cater to millions of useless eaters who contribute nothing to society, so all the benefits created by working people can go directly back to these people. and seeing that your own kin gets to enjoy the fruits of your labor motivates them even more, unlike in continental Europe, where people hate working, because they know their taxes go to Abdul and Ngubu, so they only do the bare minimum just to get by.

>>213405135
Anon, iceland has one of the highest rates of immigrants on the continent. The nation is unironically 18% first gen polish. Another 5% Lithuanian. Obviously those won't cause any crime rates or any other of that nice stuff but they're still there to fill the cheap labor spot, pushing down wages

>>213404173
Must be something to do with (((banking or finance))), no other explanation. Especially considering despite their tiny population they also have a sizeable portion of immigrants.

>>213405240
>The nation is unironically 18% first gen polish
Shit, they pollute the elfian nation's gene pool with their shitty genes, that's sad.

>>213404897
kjeks

>>213405240
What? Migrants who actually work and don't rape, don't murder and don't turn the host country in an unrecognizable dump? Impossible. .
>>213405298
Russia's muslim population grows faster than Germany's and France's and trust me they're doing everything they can to turn their countries into Africa, but they're still nothing compared to Russia. You retards import and naturalize tens of thousands of muslims from ex-soviet shitholes, while your white population is either dying out or fleeing west.
Also, a good portion of your taxes go directly to Chechnya, a muslim theocratic enclave in Russia, because they're almost entirely subsidized by the state, Kadyrov lives in a gay Disney palace and has an entire private army. Fun fact: he straight up said no russian soldiers can ever set foot in Chechnya and your government cucked out totally and bent the knee to that hairy muslim midget. He was also there when Putin inaugurated the largest mosque in Russia, that also happens to be the largest mosque in Europe. But that's based because....uhm...it's based cuz dem poles be bad.

>>213404173
Eve Online

>>213405522
Kadyrov bought a cybertruck that he allegedly intended to donate to Russian troops in 2024. Imagine buying a BMW in 1944 to donate it to the USSR

>>213405522
>What? Migrants who actually work and don't rape, don't murder and don't turn the host country in an unrecognizable dump? Impossible. .
This. Let in all the indians.

>>213405522
It's no use, man. You can post a map showing he's earning half of a polish wage (probably less because Russia is a much more unequal society) and it'll run off of him like water. He only cares about capturing ukrainian villages inhabited only by old people so he can import tajiks there.

>>213404004 (OP)
What's with Lithuania still being behind us, bros? I thought the last one was just a fluke...

>>213405522
Muslims work on construction sites and clean toilets for $2 an hour, while white Russians can sit at online store pickup points and get $15 an hour, serving only 100 people for the whole day, and that's not counting other jobs that involve communication with people.

This is how the modern post-industrial economy works, where migrants are needed only as cheap labor because the native population has no need to get into shit to get pitiful crumbs from the steel of the bourgeoisie.

>>213405522
Except its a cope, and there's other browns too + massive organized crime (same as every other western country that opened its door to mass immigration). Iceland is already pozzed far beyond saving.

>>213405765
Funny how you think muslim immigrants lower russia's average salary on the OP map but somehow that doesn't happen with other countries. You're full of shit.

>>213405020
depends in what kinds of jobs, 1.5k is average which includes villages, small towns and so on while most anons here probably live in big cities and are somewhat educated so for them 2-3k wage is rather normal

>>213405620
They're too tiny and weak to rape humans, an average white teenager can easily beat the shit out of an adult pajeet male, but they still extremely disgusting and they're super nepotistic. As soon as they weasel their way into any position of power, they instantly go on a power trip, fire all the whites they can and hire their 34 cousins and uncles. That's why IT is dying in the west, because it's been completely flooded by jeets, who don't know what they're doing.
>>213405770
I'm not saying importing a large number of foreigners of any kind is a great idea, but at least they're actual Europeans who identify with their new host country because they're all from the same cultural background.

>>213405092
The maidan helped Ukraine break the corruption chains partially and Ukraine was growing very quickly from like 2018 to 2020 (covid) and then until 2022 (pidor00sian aggression)

>>213405522
Yawn. How is Putin's retardation related to the fact that Poles and Lithuanians are polluting the precious Icelandic genepool with their dirty genes?

>Russia's muslim population grows faster than Germany's and France
Russia's muslim population was 10% in 1990, now it's kinda 12%. France's and Germany's muslim population was like 1% in 1990, now it's 10% and 7% respectively.

>your white population is either dying out or fleeing west
Yawn again. Russians aren't welcome in the west, 99% of our post-war immigration accounts for Georgia and Kazakhstan.

>a good portion of your taxes go directly to Chechnya
Moscow, Crimea, Krasnodar krai, Yakutia, Bashkitia, Tatarstan and Dagestan get more money than Chechnya from the federal budget.

>>213405856
>That's why IT is dying in the west, because it's been completely flooded by jeets, who don't know what they're doing.
This makes the whole belarus importing like 300k pakistanis even funnier. Their whole IT secter (pretty advanced all things considered) moved to Poland after 2020. He'll basically try to do a cargo cult version of that.

>>213404981
>because of Russia and Russia's corruption
Their whole history they were much more into corruption than Russians. It's like part of their mentality.

>>213405298
cope r00zzian you wish you had our genes, maybe your country wouldn't be such a pathetic pomoika

>>213405935
This mentality was brought to Ukraine only with Russians. Before Russians, Ukraine was a peasant-anarchist society and in such a type of organization corruption is basically impossible because there is no one to bribe and that makes no sense.

>>213405816
As a resident of Eastern Europe, I can tell you that migrants are not legally registered, and most people receive the minimum wage officially, but unofficially, in "envelopes" they receive their main income.

No one wants to pay taxes, because here following the letter of the law does not give any advantages, except that you will not be put with your ass on a bottle.

>>213404004 (OP)
why doesn't everyone just work in switzerland oh I know because its expensive to live there but fuck man if living expenses go up with salary then what good is it even to have high salary how does this ranking even matter

>>213405941
Kek.

>>213406002
>does not give any advantages,
so from what money do you fund your infrastructure like roads, education, healthcare and so on?

>>213405522
>Anon writes how it's sad that Icelandic people getting replaced
>Other anon throws a butthurt tantrum of how Russia is a shithole
Yes, Russia is a shithole and things are worse there. But why are you assblasted? As one of the anons wrote, how is this even related to what's going on in Iceland?

>>213404173
1 million tourist per one icelander, i wonder why

>>213405918
Jesus, this retarded cope....
>yeah, we give free money to other subhumans, not only those in Chechnya, TAKE THAT PIDOR!
You know, there's a reason why everyone in Europe, especially in Eastern Europe, hates you. Aside from commie boomers who were 'taught' at gunpoint to love their beloved liberators, public opinion regarding Russia and russians is super fucking bad. And your recent chimp out in Ukraine isn't the sole reason. Aside from the Ottomans, Russia was the worst influence on Europe in the last 500 years.
And this fucking smugness. Dude, you live worse that níggers, but nigs at least have the decency to shut up and not brag about living in a shithole.

>>213406002
That's all true, but that still doesn't impact the number that would show up on the map.

>>213405979
Mental gymnastics.

>>213405931
It was just an idea on how to fill our farms with workers because the population is moving en masse to the cities and there is no one to work the tractors and combines for $200 a month.

>>213406127
I'll give you a better idea - offer people $600 and you won't need Pakistanis
no need to thank me

>>213406046
>blyat I only call them subhuman cyka why you hef to be mad??
Ah yes the rich philosophy of ivan ilyn in action

>>213406168
So he is assblasted because he's a Polack in Hungary?

>>213406031
>CHINA..
were about to continue with india but its not even on list

>>213406046
I'm not mad, I'm bamboozled actually. You know that your country is objectively a shithole, Africa with snow basically, yet for some odd reason Russians are always super smug and keep talking shit about Europe and this is why they unironically think they have the right to conquer it, because everything would so much better under their benevolent rule. Look around, does Russia look like a good place under russian rule?

>>213404863
Woah, I make 11k USD/mo, you're saying I'd live like a king in Belarus?

Could I get access to prime Belarusian wimminz?

>>213406070
>You know, there's a reason why everyone in Europe, especially in Eastern Europe, hates you
Because we buckbroke the unified Europe (third reich) and raped shit out of them. And we're also the last remaining empire in europe, which causes jealousy and resentment in goyropeans too. You lost your empire.

>Dude, you live worse that níggers
Not true. Our average monthly salary is only like 200 dollars lower than yours according to the op pic, also the HDI in an average european russian region equals to that of Hungary or Slovakia. It's not the 1990s anymore.

>>213406161
The fact he chose pakistanis out of all people is baffling. Probably the most problematic migrant group in europe, aside maybe from afghans (which many pakistanis are anyhow) and he imports what's probable a larger population than several belarusian cities. Could've done some post-soviet import, but no. I guess Belarus is not attractive enough for the -stans?
>>213406205
Good showcase of your mental capacity.

>>213406045
State enterprises and the strongest government control over private production and large companies. Small and medium businesses try to avoid taxes, but large ones can't do this, because our government has much more control over enterprises than you can imagine. It's not direct ownership, rather, a commissiar stands behind you and watches you fill out paperwork. All day long.

Oh, and Russian loans, they literally built us a nuclear power plant with their own money, simply by giving us a loan for it.

>>213404938
There's an entire caste of hoholese IT workers (men=devs, women=recruitment/hr) that make anywhere from 2k to 5k EUR/mo

>>213406317
>Small and medium businesses try to avoid taxes,
is it easy? or if you get caught the punishment is harsh?

eблapycы пpoклaдки пpoдaлиcь pycни зa пococaть и тeпepь дeлaют вид чтo типa пaнyють нa пиццoт зeлeных и eщe нaд yкpaинoй cмeютcя
я дyмaл чтo oни coвceм дpyгиe нo тeпepь ивaв я иx в pит

>>213406275
Literally yes, the cost of living in Belarus is much lower than in Europe: renting an apartment in Minsk, the capital where literally all of Belarus is moving, will cost you $400 a month in the center and with excellent repairs, you will spend the largest number of $200 a month on excellent and tasty products, also in Minsk, in other cities even less. In my native Lida, you can rent a three-room apartment with good repairs for $150 in the center.

>>213406523
> In my native Lida
part of my family comes from there (not the city itself but region)

>>213406523
This guy's apartment looked kinda comfy.
RIP Chad

>>213406385
Previously, if you weren't being cheeky, they usually left you alone, but recently the surveillance has tightened, even I felt it myself, although I simply didn't pay the rent tax. My employers are trying to avoid paying taxes in every possible way, but they also told me that they were "inquired" about the accounting, and now they are thinking of starting to pay in full if the situation gets worse.

The funny thing is that our tax services can literally use KGB methods to find defaulters, literally send spies into companies to find black accounting. I was even once mistaken for such a spy and refused a job, although I simply asked HR to check my documents.

And the punishment will be immediate, the state doesn’t joke around with taxes.

>>213406928
Love me some authoritarian-anarchist communist-capitalist dystopia

>>213404173
GERMANIC EXCELLENCE

>>213405979
>This mentality was brought to Ukraine only with Russians. Before Russians, Ukraine was a peasant-anarchist society and in such a type of organization corruption is basically impossible
That's a hilarious opinion and even if I went along with that claim, people that were peasants for a thousand years are incapable of building civiliation.

>>213406662
Apartments in old Soviet Khrushchev-era buildings are incredibly comfortable, especially compared to modern housing, they just need to be renovated.

>>213407139
maybe building a civilization is not everyone's ambition, same like you're not a Nobel prize winner for a reason

>>213407222
such cope can be genuinely espoused only by someone who never had a chance to live in a modern building designed according to western standards (no, I don't count typical russian novostroiki as such buildings)

>>213407433
>maybe building a civilization is not everyone's ambition
Yeah the other option is becoming an eternal victim like Poland, Serbia, Russia, Ukraine where people write a million elaborations on why they ended up getting the short end of the stick at some point (always).

>>213407478
Nah, Poland entered the dual state where they are the eternal victims but also stronk at the same time, like Jews.

>>213406573
There's a chance that we're distantly acquainted, anon, because I'm also not from the city itself, but from the region.

>>213407524
>Nah, Poland entered the dual state where they are the eternal victims but also stronk
Why do you think Poland is strong?

We are fucking POOR alright?!

>>213407572
are you from a catholic family?

>>213404173
Big tourism industry and geothermal powerplants.

>>213407669
Yes, plus my mother is Polish and I know that I have a huge number of relatives in Poland.

>>213404173
It's the electricity. They have shite tone of renewable hydro and geothermic energy.
So many servers are there.

>>213407466
>western standards
Like American plastic houses, which get drstroyed by a moderate wind, or Turkish houses made of shit and sticks, which get destroyed by a temperate earthquake?

>>213404173
What I find fascinating is that they still have a negative birth rate despite being filthy rich in a huge country with a tiny population. Guess even those aren't enough to save a country from the feminist extinction virus.

>>213407952
When a child goes from being an investment to being "self-actualization," you start to wonder how else you can self-actualize without throwing away twenty years of your life working and caring for a dude who will then run off into the sunset.

>>213407952
Pretty sure it's a frozen wasteland outside of rejkjavik. Anyhow if there is a correlation between prosperity and birthrate then it's clearly a negative one.

>>213407781
Also Aluminum production. It's very energy intensive.

>>213408030
Yes I know you're a degenerate incapable of loving anyone or anything other than yourself, roastie. Kys.

>>213408037
I know there is, and I'm gonna point it out every time I hear some spineless politician say throwing money at this will fix it.

>>213408231
>I know there is
Well, I wouldn't say it is just that. There are poor latin american countries with terrible birthrates, like Colombia. Even the subsaharan birthrate is dropping fast (thank god)

>>213408309
Any culture touched by feminist virus and other postmodernist diseases is going to die.

>>213408402
If there is a cause that's pretty ubiquitous with all these countries then it is this. That being said, even countries like Bhutan and India have sub replacement birthrates.
I think Kazakhstan is like the single country bucking this trend, but I haven't checked in a long time.

>>213408567
Right now, religious fundamentalists have the highest birth rate, and the higher their percentage in the population, the higher the average birth rate.

>>213404004 (OP)
I wonder what our income would look like if we exclude kurdish parts of Turkey.

>>213404004 (OP)
Some of these countries get less then the Comoros, that's crazy.

>>213404033
I look like that and I drive that

>>213407952
Iceland had like every woman protesting for women rights at some point, on the street.

>>213404004 (OP)
I will use this map for shitposting vs Azeri/turks/Armenians….moldova kek that country’s a much bigger shithole than Georgia and my autism won’t accept that maybe I won’t after all.

>>213404004 (OP)
Thats...before taxes right?

>>213404004 (OP)
no way the average is that high

idk how averages work, but still

>>213409065
1 richfag makes 200x that, while rest make half or less of that. On average you get a higher number than an middle of the middle class worker would actually make. but thats a very rough example

>>213409056
that's after taxes (net salary)
>>213409065
median income in GERMAN districts or LANDKREISE

>>213408037
>frozen wasteland

Seems that this didn't stop Poles from
migrating there so much that Iceland is 7% Polish now.

>>213405240
>Lithuanian
>won't cause any crime rates

>>213404897
can someone translate this for me

>>213409481
>tf
>tp

>>213409287
What's with the random poor areas in the rhineland?

>>213409569
Those are the turkish cities.

>>213404004 (OP)
If you consider that most europe richfags live in britain I feel like they have a really bad time.

>>213404863
?

>>213408231
Anon, I love my children so much that I will not allow them to be born into a world where they will have to survive rather than live.

>>213409810
It's average

>>213409810
>>213409984
I meant how much the common man gets from the bourgeois table. There is more wealth in Russia than in Ukraine, which allows Russians to live better than Ukrainians and have a large middle class, although the level of inequality in both places is just fucking crazy.

>>213410492
Lies, ukraine stronk

>>213410492
idk gini isn't high

>>213410944
The salary of the average Ukrainian too.

>>213410657
If werent such third world shithole i wouldnt need to ever choose Ukraine.

You 3 day special operation reall fuckd my plans to travel around russia

>>213411120
You arent that far off from Ukraine salary wise desu

>>213411438
Well, by your own logic, your salary isn't that far from mine.

>>213411547
You'd wish

>>213411120
Yeah? But the topic was relative inequality, not salary

>>213411570
I wish you were better at math.

>>213404071
Polentoni do

>>213411589
Yes, there are more poor people in Ukraine than in Russia, despite the fact that both have oligarchs, and also despite the fact that I have not heard about the huge resource deposits in Ukraine.

>>213411709
Look at OP's pic and YOU do the math. As i said, you'd wish.

>>213411846 (me)
Okay, I admit, I'm fucking bad at English, and it looks like my ESL nature has let me down again. What I wanted to say is that the average person's income in Ukraine is worse than the average person's income in Russia, because in Russia the average person can get at least a small part of natural resources, while in Ukraine there is no, because there are no natural resources.

>>213411980
I draw conclusions based on the image from the OP, and the difference between me and you is the same as the difference between me and a Ukrainian, namely two times, so open a damn book on math.

>>213404004 (OP)
Gg, every balt better than Portugal.
Wait, fucking latvia again..
every fucking time, is it because russians?

>>213409954
mental illness or cope
if living sucks so much then kys

>>213407936
>which get destroyed by a temperate earthquake?
how many earthquakes do you have in inhabited areas of Russia (don't tell me about Kamchatka) so you have to build homes of ugly concrete slabs instead of cheaper and more flexible houses made of natural materials?

>>213412220
The difference between me and you is double that difference between you and ukraine. You failed at math.

>>213412113
ur a clueless moron, if there indeed were not any resources readily available for extraction then why'd americans ever sign any deal with ukrainians?

>>213404004 (OP)
How do the Irish make all their money

>>213412384
Tax fraud

>>213404173
Eve online based economy

>>213412324
No, the difference between you and Ukrainian is double that difference between me and Ukrainian, use logic, damn it.

stop comparing yourselves to Ukraine all the time
if Belarus ditched Russia and joined the EU instead it would be as rich as Estonia or Czechia

>>213412606
If you think that value is equal by your copium math, no wonder you are poor

>>213404004 (OP)
Where the fuck does this figure come from? I open the largest job site in Ukraine and it says it's at least twice that, based on ~200k job postings
https://www.work.ua/en/salary-all/?setlp=en

>>213412801
it's net amount in the map, maybe it's gross on your site
also you know, not all positions are advertised, i guess jobs offered online will be skewed towards those well paid ones like IT meanwhile no one will really advertise the position of a cleaning lady in a public school in Pizdeevka, Sumy oblast, with a minimum wage, because such jobs are aimed at people who don't even use the internet.

>>213404004 (OP)
so wait where can I find a ukrainian cutie who is in or willing to come to NL? I will pay money, half my salary in fact

>>213412960
>maybe it's gross on your site
Nah, unless specified otherwise job postings in my country imply a gross amount
>Pizdeevka
That's sounds like a russian village name and not Ukrainian one
>because such jobs are aimed at people who don't even use the internet.
A fair proposition, but even if we go by official stats that accounts for entire workforce, it's less than 10% lower, that is posted on the site

>>213413341
>That's sounds like a russian village name and not Ukrainian one

sorry, Pizdiivka then

>>213413391
More like Pixvivka or Bebrivka

>>213413017
You already have tons of em, like every other EU country

>>213412703
The economy works a little differently, anon.

>>213417321
In your case it depends on the existence of Mozyr Refinery
https://youtu.be/eF1A9npzhTw

>>213417669
Firstly, go to bed, anon, it's already one o'clock in the morning, secondly, yes, our entire industry, including petrochemicals, is based on the processing of Russian resources and the sale of the resulting product back to Russia, what are we going to supply to the European market if it is already fully occupied and our industry will be forced to buy raw materials at exorbitant prices?

>>213418023
>what are we going to supply to the European market
Slaves, just like Ukraine, Poland, Czechia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Croatia, Romania, Bulgaria and Hungary.

>>213418023
You'd become service oriented like every country that isn't poor. You were kinda there with IT, but then everyone involved moved here.

>>213420029
But how are you going to order the remaining 80% of the population to live, who will not work in IT or serve those who work in IT? Plus, we must not forget that we will be used as a battering ram against Russia. Now we are a buffer, but the Western bourgeoisie does not need a buffer between Europe and Russia, it needs Russia itself, which the Russian bourgeoisie themselves cannot afford, and then the scenario of Ukraine will turn out, and you see the result.

We are standing between two imperialists, and in such a situation we need to survive.

>>213420552
Pole just wants to see the world burn but you're doing well all things considered.

>>213404004 (OP)
you earn less but your stiff is 5 times as cheap

>>213405020
lol majority of the country is on 800 euro a month after taxes

>>213404004 (OP)
>Denmark that much higher than Norway
how

Our wages are not very high but employers give all sorts of extra shit that is somehow not taxed.
>100-200€ monthly meal vouchers
>free gas and company car
>free smartphone
>untaxed part time jobs for the real hustlers