can you understand languages related to yours?

>>213498982 (OP)
cherrypicked example, try to do this with Polish&Bulgarian, it's gonna be worse than German&English

>>213498982 (OP)
Latvian? Some of it, some words, sentences click easily, but not quite enough to easily converse fully.

no, english is too far removed

>>213498982 (OP)
If a catalonian speaks slowly we can understand 50% without big effort, 80% if written.

german, only passive but surprisingly understandable. luxembourgish, sounds like a half dutch-german mongrel language. afrikaans is toddler dutch. scandinavian languages are a bit more challenging but i usually can grasp some keyword to get the context.
english only because of exposure, it's the mongrel-mongrel-mogrel-mongrel language of the germanic languages. not even part of the germanic language continuum
i can understand why the french are frustrated when they have to speak badly pronounced french

I understand swedish and danish pretty well.

>>213498982 (OP)
no

>>213499319
It's all Scandinavian. There is no Norwegian, Swedish or Danish. You've been deluding yourselves for too long just like the Balkans and the Arabs

>>213499397
ever tried to talk to Khanty-Mansis?

>>213499410
I won't deny this even though it makes me angry to read.

some dialects of Karelian are almost completely mutually intelligible with Finnish

>>213498982 (OP)
Yes, when I play DOTA I can understand Russians and other Slavs, but usually other Slavs want to speak English so I don't need to.

>>213499452
No, it would just be a hassle, seeing how few native speakers there are. Even if I would talk with one it would be like a pole trying to understand Bulgarian. Sure it's an improvement compared to trying to understand Finnish, but not very notable.

>>213499859
well, you can always learn Slovak, then we will happily talk to you

>>213498982 (OP)
I wonder if Greeks even understand the Pontian or Cypriot dialect, let alone Tsakonian.

>>213498982 (OP)
>kúpelňa
lmao

I can barely understand Dutch and Frisian sometimes. And Scots is just English pretending to be another language so it doesn't count.

>>213499028
I remember that Polish language guy on yt talking with a Bulgarian girl, each in their own language to see how much they can understand, and she kept saying
>ne rozbieram
Which was a great shame because she was hot. I wish she rozbieram.

>>213499126
Average lithuanian boomer probably has a better chance of understanding polish (via being able to speak russian) than having a coherent conversation with a latvian.

>>213500023
razbiram means "understand" in Bulgarian but it's actually one of few examples where the Bulgarian word's meaning can be at least deducted by a Pole
in most cases Bulgarian sounds like completely unintelligible gibberish to us (and probably vice versa)

>>213498982 (OP)
Hell no, Estonian sounds like retarded gibberish. Familiar phonemics and everything, but it doesn't make any sense. Really uncanny.
And that's how I know what Finnish must sound like to foreigners: Retarded gibberish.

>>213500127
actually Finnish sounds very pleasant to me, that's what abundance of vowels and their harmony do to outsider's ears (Hungarian also sounds like this to me)

>>213500127
What about when trying to read it? Is it more intelligible than listening?

>>213498982 (OP)
Literally none of them. Maybe if they speak at 0.1x speed.

>>213499880
>Speak a language spoken 100% by mountain-dwellers
It would hurt my steppic soul. Would sooner learn Polish to shill the friendship.

>>213500156
No, it's the same. Our languages are written as they are spoken.
They're not silly like English.

>>213500201
It's cute that you are familiar with this concept and still believe it only applies to English.

>>213498982 (OP)
No, there are no languages similar enough to English that I can understand.
>le green butter and green cheese
Cherrypicked written example from a language that sounds like complete jibberish
>scots
Made up meme language literally created by a single American autist, it's just a dialect.

>>213500184
>It would hurt my steppic soul.
Szekelys live in the mountains and they speak Hungarian, I don't think this is really a problem, Hungarians learnt to live in the mountains after several centuries

Remember that Slavs also originated in the plains (and swamps) and for centuries were afraid of colonizing the mountains. The Carpathians were actually only colonized from like 14th century onwards (which means for almost 1000 years before Slavs had not lived in them) and it only happened after Vlachs arrived in this region and taught the nearby Slavs the intricacies of pastoral mountain economy (hence many words related to shepherding in Slavic languages have Vlach/Balkan origin, probably the same in Hungarian).

>>213500201
"Gh" is only pronounced like "f" at the end of a word though.
And there's only a single word in the English language where "o" makes an "i" sound.
And "ti" is never, ever pronounced as "sh" at the end of a word.

>>213500376
also, afaik Slovak used to be spoken widely on the plains as well, even up to 19th century there were large Slovak-speaking communities in central Hungary, even on the Balaton, just they assimilated to Hungarianness over time, while those in the mountains survived as Slavs.

>>213498982 (OP)
not really (aside from macedonain of course)

>>213500201
>Our languages are written as they are spoken.
It's not anything to be proud of, it basically means your language got its literary form and established spelling relatively late and also that not many of your people were literate around the time your language was established in the written form. Languages with "fucked up" spelling are those with an old literary tradition which simply decided not to modernize their spelling despite phonetic changes, because of abundance of literature written in the old spelling, a lot of people who were already used to writing and reading script like this and so on.

>>213500376
>>213500418

I was just joking with that one, the furthest I can trace my family is early 18th century Eastern Slovakia.
That being said székelys are their own thing and basically every loanword from Romanian is just part of a regional dialect.

Yes, Hungarian majority communities assimilated some Slovaks while some stayed as is. The same actually happened with Slovak majority regions. Also, Slovaks living in the south was a thing up until the end of ww2.

>>213500227
I never said that.

>>213500407
You'll never have phonemic orthography.

>>213500468
I'm aware of the point you're making, but you're kinda wrong on the details. It's more that larger supranational languages can't modernize because they're too widespread and there isn't one governing body in charge of the language. The inmates are running the asylum!

Also this is not a matter of being proud or whatever. One can only be proud of his personal achievements.

I judge languages by how close to perfect phonemic orthography they are.
English is absolute bottom-of-the-barrel tier. But I do like written English, it's very utilitarian.
Finnish is great on that front, but everything else about it is eldritch nightmare tier unless it's your native language. What do you mean normal languages doesn't have 15 cases and thousands of irregular word-forms for every word?
Japanese is actually good with kana. Kanji is retarded though, as is any other logographic writing system.
Swedish and Russian are also decently phonemic, but I rarely use those.

>>213501088
>You'll never have phonemic orthography.
I don't want that, I just wanted to help an ESL understand English better.

>>213498982 (OP)
A little bit, but it's from making small shitty attempts to learn French and German. I'll still wind up reading a word in Greek or Dutch and think "That can't be right."
It's usually right, it's just funny sounding.

>>213501088

>It's more that larger supranational languages can't modernize because they're too widespread and there isn't one governing body in charge of the language.
nah, it's not really about it, it's simply the case with English but there are a lot of languages which decided not to modernize their spelling despite having a governing body (well, French is the best example here, they could also make their spelling more phonemic and the Academy could rule on that, but there was no need for that because they are simply used to their current spelling and too many people are literate in that) or even despite being a relatively small language (Polish fits here).

>I judge languages by how close to perfect phonemic orthography they are.
that's just your own "value", not everyone thinks it really matters

>>213501127
Technically it's my third language.
And you can't help us; we will never stop speaking English with hydraulic press channel accent.

>>213500468
To be fair the Finnish language didn't change that much compared to neighboring Indo European languages so even if it started being written way earlier it certainly wouldn't have a Danish-tier spelling system
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/kuningas#Finnish
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/kung#Swedish

>>213499277
>I can understand why the french are frustrated when they have to speak badly pronounced french.
It's why the Quebecois are angry all the time.
If you hit 'em with the ol' Ontarois
>Just speak English, you redneck piece of shit.
If you hit 'em with the Parisien
>Just speak English, faggot.

>>213500917
during my google travels around Hungary I once spotted a town named "Lengyeltoti" near Balaton, which as far as I understand means literally "Polish-Slovak". Sadly I couldn't find much about the origin of this name but I guess it was colonized by Poles and Slovaks.

>>213498982 (OP)
Written Spanish/Italian is very easy to understand. It's basically French with o and a everywhere.
Portuguese is harder to understand. Romanian I can only understand crumbs.

>>213501257
I can usually make things out in written Portuguese, but I can't understand a word the mainlanders speak - they sound like Russians trying to fit in in Barthelona.

i understand azerbajiani pretty well

>>213501216
I looked it up. In old cases tót just means slav, so it was a serb village and Lengyel comes from the noble family that owned it, altough it does mean Polish.
That being said, the vilage has an English Wikipedia page. How did you not find that? (the first mention is wrong there, it's 1121)

>>213501860
>That being said, the vilage has an English Wikipedia page. How did you not find that? (the first mention is wrong there, it's 1121)
yes, that's what is there
> Tóti meant Slavonic people in Hungarian, so probably the old village was populated partly by Slavonic people.
i looked for something more, especially why it has the Lengyel- root.

>>213498982 (OP)
Most ineligible slavic languages for me are

Belarusian>ukranian>polish>>>bulgarian>slovak>czech>serbian>croatian

>>213498982 (OP)
I can understand all these languages

>>213502205
is there any difference between Kazakhs in Kazakhstan and Kazakhs in China?

>>213502291
They are chinkified and more light haired

>>213502427
do you like them? are they fun to talk to? are there big cultural differences between you and them? I believe they don't have that whole Russian cultural influence that dominates Kazakhstan up to this day, probably they're more into Chinese popculture

>>213502461
No one likes Chinese culture, the returned kazakhs are horrible because of chink and uighur culture influences

>>213501939
>especially why it has the Lengyel- root

I don't know what to tell you, that's just the way the language works. I assume Tóti is/was a pretty generic name for a town, so I'm sure there's a few more in the region so they all get an adjective to differentiate between them. It could be small (kis) or big (nagy), a river (e.g. Tisza) or in this case, because it was the seat of the familiy, their name.

>>213502514
do you mean Uighur culture is horrible? i thought you like Uighurs

>>213502658
Uighurs deserve extermination

>>213502734
first time i hear something like this from a Muslim, aren't you Ivan by chance?

>>213502800
Hivans have nothing to do with it. We aren't completely muslim and even muslims uknowledge the uighur problem

>>213498982 (OP)
Dutch, especially written Dutch is pretty easy to understand for German speakers. Nordic languages are not really intelligible

>>213499126
>>213500075
Lithuanian is a bunch of recognizable word stems used in completely schizophrenic interpretations with slavic pronunciation.

>>213498982 (OP)
This has to be a meme. I can't understand some Croatian-speaking villages in my county.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV57KC3Lxg0

Dobry denj moj slovjansky brati.
Kto to ne razumeje, prosim, idite u tri pizde matere.
Jediny jezyk ktori razumejut i Pol***i i Bulg**i. S izključenjem anglijskog.

>>213503420
Yet I can understand most of your dog tongue, language is a curious thing.
>>213503516
Pjorkwa mwadjonca!

>>213498982 (OP)
shitty meme to make third worlders feel good

>>213498982 (OP)
>'Can I give you a rat?'
Is that what the German is saying?

>>213500121
Yep. Polish is impossible to parse when spoken for me. In written form I could catch some key words to maybe puzzle out the context, but that's only cause I've bothered to look up how your weird ass orthography is supposed to be read lol.

>>213504872
it's really weird since Serbian is easy to understand to us
i don't get why Serbian and Bulgarian are so much different from each other despite being direct neighbors

>>213504932
Presumably, because Serbian still has a case system, that may play a part, since case endings to be similar across slav languages. Not the case for Bulgarian. Our verb system is kind of a mess too.

>>213499893
if the language is written it's quite easy
if they speak it's harder but still I could understand some
Tsakonian is much harder though, I don't understand most of it regardless if it's written or spoken

>>213498982 (OP)
the only slavic language with literature worth a damn is russian

>>213498982 (OP)
English is a latinx language in denial

>>213503590
You must be very smart because most Slovenian Slovene zoomers can't

>>213498982 (OP)
yes I can read Dutch and understand 50-75% and after studying Norwegian for one year I can read most Norwegian/Danish texts

>>213503635
rat is advice

>>213498982 (OP)
The closest are German and Dutch and I can understand maybe 40% of whatever is being said

>>213506867
Also I can only read that 40% not from listening

>>213498982 (OP)
The only one I can is poortugueese and that's mostly brasilian portuguese since the pronunciation sounds more similar to spanish that the one from Portugal. That and some italian I guess

I can understand Polish pretty well
t. Ukrainian

the most similar distinct slav languages we understard have small speaker base like slovak and belorusian

>>213498982 (OP)
yes, i can understand italian if spoken more slowly
written italian is even easier

>>213498982 (OP)
Bit misleading when Slavic languages are often glorified dialects while German unifies most continental Germanic dialects under one standard. In Scandinavia, where such a roof language does not exist, you can have the same kind of intelligibility between different languages.

>>213508755
This, Common Slavic was spoken until the 6th century while Germanic languages had already been separated for centuries at least

>>213503516
If Austria-Hungary lasted a few more years, we's unify our language with Czech and Polish instead of Bosnians and Serbs. I wish we spoke this clearly.

>>213508816
>>213508755
German dialects were radically different 200-300 years ago. Cologne German and Viennese were much farther apart than Norwegian and Swedish

>>213508755
Yes, I remember seeing a video of a guy explaining how German-speaking media in the 9th century called Slav languages "mundarten" and Austrians genuinely did consider all those to be dialects of the same languages in their official documents.

>>213508755
Slavic languages are more similar to each other in their standard forms. Dialects and local varieties were more diverse but they are mostly gone among north Slavs.

>>213511223
Meant 19th century

>>213511108
It’s like the attempted standardization of East Slavic languages by the Russians

>>213498982 (OP)
It would be Italian but I think Napoletan and Venetian sound closer to Romanian than standard Italian

>>213503516
>Kto to ne razumeje, prosim, idite u tri pizde matere.
>Croat writes two sentences, immediately begins brutally swearing in translated Turkish
Ah, the Croats. 50% Altaic, 50% Semitic culturally, somehow speak Slavic nonetheless (though clumsily).

>>213500127
It’s what listening to Dutch sounds like for an English native speaker. Unintelligible but weirdly familiar.

>>213499452
Apart from a few things like counting from 1 to 6 or random core words like 'szem' (eye) Khanty sounds like a completely alien language:
https://youtu.be/7pZwgsoUlxU?feature=shared&t=312

>>213498982 (OP)
yes.
>inb4 swedish and danish being the same
i get it but they really aint. you will not inderstand them all 3 if you learn one, i do because i live with them and speak with them often.
i can however with a little basic german and english mixed with my own language somewhat understand dutch and afrikaans, and spanish and italian and italian isnt that far off.

I can read norwegian and danish without a problem, i can kinda read dutch and german, i get the big picture of a sentence but some words vex me, english is ofcourse a no brainer, every other language and i’m completely lost

>>213498982 (OP)
Germans can vaguely understand old English
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ve7JLIYnuD0

>>213511419
It's hip and cool to talk like a turk-gypsy just like it's cool to talk like a ghetto negro in the US

>>213511108
that is what i meant
german has (had) a strong variety within the language, so you don't get those many kind-of-intelligible related languages that you see in slavic languages, because they are bundled into one

>>213499410
We know this deep down

>>213506194
English is remarkably similar to Scandinavian languages. Same grammar and word order to swedish.

>>213510948
why tho? Serbian is much cooler than Czech or Polish

when I watched ongezellig the girls sounded like valley girls to me

>>213513083
Serbian is very robotic and sing-songy. Croatian sounds like a legal document.

>>213511223
that says more about how clueless about Slavs Germans were than actual linguistic difference between our languages

>>213511108
Slavic dialects could also differ between each other more than standardized versions of their languages do. Remember many Slavic languages were gleichschalten'd in 19th century to resemble a more prestigious (Russian, Serbian) language. That happened to Bulgarian, Croatian, partially to Czech.

>>213513132
>Serbian is very robotic and sing-songy.
that what makes it beautiful

>>213498982 (OP)
I understand a lot of German but never actually tried to learn it.

>>213513047
And the similarities stop there

>>213513964
no they are very similar

>>213498982 (OP)
Everyone who speaks Portuguese already knows Spanish.
So I understand spoken and written Spanish easily without ever having studied it.
I understand a little spoken Italian and a little more written Italian. I understand very little written Romanian and French. Spoken Romanian and French are very difficult for me.

>>213515069
how much spoken spanish do you ACTUALLY understand though? 80%? 90%?

>>213515100
80% for sure.
I never had any problems, but in Chile it's more difficult because they speak VERY quickly. So in Argentina I can understand about 80% of what is said, making it almost impossible not to communicate. In Chile I had a little more difficulty, but I can communicate easily too.
There are certain words that are totally different, but you can make a rational association.
Like janela / ventana. It makes sense because vento in Portuguese is wind.

>>213515100
There's another thing too: there are certain places in Portugal where it's impossible to understand anything. Even the Portuguese themselves have difficulty. Azorean Portuguese, the way they speak, is completely incomprehensible to a Brazilian.

>>213498982 (OP)
I speak okay Spanish, and because of it I can mostly read Portuguese though I can't understand it as well spoken. Also because I'm a native English speaker I can catch a good bit of Scots, though not everything.

>>213501088
English orthography is bad, but "ghoti" is a complete misrepresentation that makes it look much worse than it actually is.
>>213501177
French spelling is at least phonemic on the level that you can generally get pronunciation accurately from spelling even if not vice versa, and plenty of the letters and digraphs that are pronounced the same in standard Parisian French are pronounced differently in other dialects.

1) Spanish and catalonian/valenciano is extremely easy when written, a bit harder when spoken but still we can catch a good 80% of it, I'd say we're basically mutually intelligible
2) French is quite weird, depending on the phrase could be very easy, or completely unintelligible, but still doable.
3) Portuguese is the same, but way more difficult. I can get the sense when written, but when spoken, I can understand almost none of it. It seems russian to me, especially European Portuguese. It's another world compared to Spanish, or at least that's how it sounds to us.
4) romanian is extremely hard. Doesn't feel like a Romance language almost. Wich is very weird since many people both irl and here told me that romanian can understand Italian (and Spanish) pretty good like >>213508406

>>213502205
Names, for those who don't have the clearest idea of the areas in which they're spoken?

>>213503278
Isn't Lithuanian supposed to be the closest living language to Proto-Indo-European?

>>213506194
I can speak good English without saying any words that come from Latin. Can you speak English without saying any Anglo-Saxon words?

>>213512954
What about Yiddish?

>>213499277
>english only because of exposure, it's the mongrel-mongrel-mogrel-mongrel language of the germanic languages. not even part of the germanic language continuum
How the fuck can Scandinavian languages be easier for a Flemish speaker to understand than basic English phrases, when basic English is already piss easy to understand for Afrikaans and Dutch speakers?

>>213500201
I thought English was bad enough for this, but I started learning Russian and I'm going insane with their pronunciations being all over the place too sometimes

>>213517533
Russian spelling isn't that bad, what are you talking about? There's only a handful of truly irregular spellings, like coлнцe and -oгo.

>>213498982 (OP)
>Luxemburgisch
I'm from a nearby-ish region and their language is basically just the local dialect, can understand them just fine
>Dutchoids
Can read like 75% of it and get the gist, speaking I can maybe understand like 10%, 25% if they speak slowly. Flemishers are more understandable thoughbeit
>Nordicks
Can read some stuff, especially when I already have an Idea of what it could be (for example signs at an airport), but can't really hear them apart from maybe a word or two per sentence
>Ingerlish
Gibberish, though old english is surprisingly close and often you can have entire sentences with cognates

>>213517579
I'm sure rules and patterns exist, but for a beginner, it's a pain in the arse to figure out if that o is going to actually be pronounced as an O or an A this time

>>213517610
That's easy, o is pronounced the same as a (and e and я are pronounced the same as и) in unstressed syllables.

>>213498982 (OP)
german and english share 99% of verbs though, you just spell them diffrently

>>213498982 (OP)
>cherrypicked the most mutted creole of germanic languages (albionese) instead of for example german and dutch
>cherrypicked polish and slovak, some of the most similar languages in the slavic family, and not for instance polish and bulgarian or slovene and belarusian which are nothing like each other
Why would you ever post such a moronic picture? Are you dense? Did you make it yourself?

>>213517259
we don't recognize its existence in germany

>>213517793
Do you mean you don't recognize that people speak that way, or that you consider it a Mundart of German?

>>213500121
I know, I was making a joke about sexo with a Bulgarian hottie.

>>213517587
>nearby-is region
it's interesting how in eastern saarland the dialect sounds nothing like luxemburgish but if you go 30km northwest you can hear many similarities

>>213517659
>Stress
There's the other challenge lol

>>213516863
>English orthography is bad
fake news

>>213517907
Yeah, stress is unpredictable. Apparently there are some general patterns you start to pick up on, though. Learn song lyrics and poems, I guess?

>>213500184
fun fact, Bem supposedly didn't know Hungarian at all, he just yelled orders in Polish at his soldiers and somehow lead them to victory with that.
also he was a turbomanlet dabbling in rocketry. Fantasy dwarf irl.

>>213517925
english orthography and its tense system are actually hard

>>213517925
You're calling this a good orthography?
https://ncf.idallen.com/english.html

>>213517259
NTA but Yiddish is easier to understand than some dialects lol
Apart from some Jewish words it's just regular German from what I've seen

>>213518013
It does have some dialect features outside of that, like mir senen rather than wir sind, but you're right that it's closer to standard German than some "German dialects". I guess it just goes to show that a Sprach is a Dialekt mit an Armei un Flot.

>>213499126
Latvian is fucking retarded

>>213517870
Do you guys not speak Moselfränkisch over there?

>>213518131
Saarland is half Palatinian

>>213517818
Germany is doing its best to destroy languages that aren't standard German. Belgium does something similar with German in its eastern canton because they don't want more Dutch speakers on the books

>>213499880
Hungarian learning Slovak would be like a Pole learning Ukrainian or Belarusian, or a Frenchman or Anglo learning some African oonga-boonga dialect. You're not supposed to learn languages of your former subjects, it's undignified. Choice of a language to learn is not just about usefulness, it's also a matter of prestige.

>>213518177
yes. you have to go very rural to hear younger generations actively using dialects. millennials especially hate dialect use

>>213518151
grim

>>213518262
hey

>latin languages
>i can perfectly understand italian, portugese, and even romanian

>>213518243
>dialects

You can use the proper word language here herr anon.

>>213503516
zrozumiałem
the parody of pepiks cracked me up the most for whatever reason

>>213518243
Also why do millennials hate them

>>213513083
BALKBOO RETARD ALERT
IGNORE ALL OF HIS POSTS ITT; HE SUCKS DICKS

>>213518058
>Mir senen
Bavarians also say that

>>213518364
because they are aggressively modern and tech friendly

>>213518525
That's kinda gay. You don't have to abandon your mother tongue for that

>>213518345
Some of them are different enough to be considered separate languages, some aren't.

>>213518500
Yeah, like I said, dialect features.

>>213518833
Issue here is that he's using it to refer to all languages as well

>>213517221
Another anonymous, possible communicating removing Germanic lexicon, apart certain prepositions/pronouns

>>213517221
Distinct anonymous, possible communicating removing Germanic lexicon, apart certain prepositions/pronouns

>>213520127
the other guy sounds a little silly but your post is straight up retared. You can't communicate without prepositions, articles, and other binding words

>>213520151
>>213520177
If the message can be transmitted it is communication, even if clunky.

BTW I had to delete because I thought 'another' had Latin origin (other is so similar to 'outro' in Portuguese)

>>213520151
That's not good English. Also -ing isn't Latin. As is -s. And you even acknowledge you need some English stopwords.
>>213520234
I think there are some things you'd struggle to say, though.

>>213520234
Me talk like this you understand but not mean it proper English it just dumb dumb talk

>>213520342
>>213520389
Never expressed possibility maintaining optimal grammatical standard considering complete removal Germanic terms. Simply communicable.

>>213520546
>never
>ed
>ing
All Anglo-Saxon.

>>213520546
drawing stuck figures and pointing at stuff also suffices for crude communication like this, seems like a rather pointless standard to me

german has a ton of loanwords that are mistaken for germanic words, german falsch vs english wrong for example. the only difference is they have an autistic nationalistic french academy equivalent whereas we don't give a shit

>>213520589
>>never
Fuck, I did it again. Germanic and Romance languages are closer than I think, I keep mistaking similar words for Latin-based cognates. It's like sol and sun, mim and me, bola and ball

>ed
>ing
those don't count

>>213515100
As a portuguese we understand about 90% of spanish, easily.
Italian we do like 70%, took me one week living there to get to fluency.
French is harder spoken, about 30% maybe but writen it goes up to italian levels.
No clue with Romanian, never encountered it irl.

It does not go the other way tho, they have a lot of trouble understanding us.

>>213520763
Why shouldn't they? They're still Germanic.

>>213520776
Yeah but the point was to use words of Latin origin. If I'm going to type complete loanwords not adapted to the grammar of the language my text would just be a salad of foreign words.

>>213520767
This depends on speed.
It's true for average and semi-fast cadence, which is what you encounter on a day-to-day basis.

If people slow down for you italian goes up to spanish levels and french goes up to like 60-70%.
Spanish doesn't change cause at the 90% point it's mostly vocab that stops you.

The inverse is true for speeding up, of course. Fast spanish, in Andalucia for exmpl, is cursed.
The other two get very hard when fast fast.

>>213499997
Scots evolved out of Middle English just like English did. I could say English is just Scots pretending to be another thing.

>>213520860
Still, I can write good English without even any Latin bits in words. You can't do the flipside of that.

>>213520630
Impossible performing similar level specificity using different languages. Example: opposite impossible, Portuguese language impossible sounding accordingly similar to Germanic sentences. Uniquely English capable because numerous Romance expressions, opposite invalid.

>>213521027
>to
The anglo slipped again

>>213521027
You can also write Japanese that can be understood (if not good Japanese) with nothing but Chinese words, and though I don't know Thai it wouldn't shock me if you can speak good Thai with nothing but Sanskrit and Pali words at all.

>>213520767
>Italian we do like 70%, took me one week living there to get to fluency.
mate you definitely weren't fluent after a a week, it's not like you'd be capable of giving a university lecture or write a dissertation in Italian after only a week

>>213521214

The first thing I did there was join BJJ class and pretend I spoke nothing besides PT, just "jumped into the pool". It was all it took.

After getting your ear used to the sounds and pronunciation it's the same language, like 80 something % of the vocab is the same, just change the word endings.

I did have an oral exam after 2 weeks on Biomaterials all 100% in Italian and had absolutely zero issues.
The professor was and old 70 something year old dude who spoke 0 english.

>>213521061
>You can also write Japanese that can be understood (if not good Japanese) with nothing but Chinese words
Correct. Personal lapse disregarding obvious! English maintain special status regardless

>>213521339
As I said, the same goes for Thai to my knowledge, perhaps Hindustani, likely Maltese.

>>213498982 (OP)
I watched a whole film in Spanish with Spanish subs (pic related) and even I was surprised at how easy it was to understand it. Like, 99%.
I can kind of understand 35~40% of written French too since I've taken a few lessons on Duolngo.

>>213521376
>Thai
>Hindustani
>Maltese
Admit personally ignorant mentioned languages. Conversely, Chinese-Japanese obvious case

>>213521419
You're still rather fucking up English staffcraft (yes, that's an English word, look it up) which I'm not, while still using English word endings.

>>213517221
>I can speak good English without saying any words that come from Latin
No. You can speak grug English at best

>>213521477
I can say whatever I want to, give me anything to wend.

>>213521447
Because English legitimately Germanic, just abundantly mixture romance vocabulary ridiculous extent.

>>213521522
Right, that's what I've been saying.

>>213521514
You can communicate at grug level, but if you desire to express any sophisticated ideas, you're obligated to use Latinx words, especially in science and philosophy

>>213521652
Like I said, give me any writing and I'll write the same thing without Latin words.

>>213498982 (OP)
>Can I give you an advice?
Why does he say that?

>>213521997
Because different languages differ in how and where articles are and aren't used.

>>213506674
They can't understand Slovenian either

>>213521997
Probably because the word for "advice" really means "a piece of advice".

>>213498982 (OP)
no I don't understand anything in italian or spanish besides a few words here and there

>>213498982 (OP)
English shares more with Gaelic than any other language however

>>213500468
>literary form and established spelling relatively late and also that not many of your people were literate around the time your language was established in the written form
Pole is a broken feudal slave man

>>213523318
No? What are you talking about?

>>213523304
Oh yeah, you were talking about the German. It's because "rat" means "piece of advice". Same with "råd" in Swedish.

>>213517221
>Anglo-Saxon
A Frankish liturgical language never spoken outside the confines of monkish men

>>213523336
English has more similar or identical words with Gaelic than another language

>>213523341
Guessing "information" in French really means "piece of information" too, which is why they often mess it up in that case. We have a word like that too (uppgift), but it's probably easier to confuse when the native word is literally "information".

>>213500201
English pronunciation tends to be pretty predictable based on etymology. I don't know how this concept is so hard for ESLs to grasp, I was intuitively aware of it as early as pre-school.

>>213523374
Then why is the vast majority of core English vocabulary clearly derived from Anglo-Saxon?
>>213523391
>Our father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on Earth as in Heaven.
>Vater unser im Himmel, geheiligt werde dein Name. Dein Reich komme. Dein Wille geschehe, wie im Himmel so auf Erden.
>Onze Vader die in de hemelen zijt, Uw Naam worde geheiligd; Uw koninkrijk kome; Uw wil geschiede, gelijk in de hemel alzo ook op de aarde.

>Ár n-Athair atá ar neamh, go naofar d'ainim, go dtagfadh do ríocht, go ndéantar do thoil ar an talamh mar a dhéantar ar neamh.
>Ar n-Athair a tha air nèamh, Gu naomhaichear d'ainm. Thigeadh do rìoghachd. Dèanar do thoil air an talamh, mar a nithear air nèamh.
>Ayr ain t'ayns niau, casherick dy row dt'ennym; dy jig dty reeriaght; dt'aigney dy row jeant, er y thalloo, myr te ayns niau.
>>213523450
Pretty, but still far less so than most languages.

>>213498982 (OP)
Estonian is like toddler Finnish, I find it adorable

>>213523632
>Anglo-Saxon
An invented language

>>213523877
Then what did people in early medieval England speak?

>>213517479
English has devolved extremely far due to isolation punctuated by outside influence. The continental languages more or less went in similar directions with their sound changes.

>>213523929
Is there any criteria to distinguish devolution from evolution?

>>213523374
Get over it, Angus, you're Anglo too

>>213523929
>devolved
Nonsensical term in linguistics, nothing "devolves", unless you're one of those types who think Adam and Eve spoke Hebrew in the garden of Eden and that everything else branched off from it

>>213523969
No, they don't think other languages branched off from Hebrew, they think they were created whole cloth at the Tower of Babel.

>>213523960
>tf
>tp
Not for a Jedi

>>213523991
What?

Ladino
I think Southern dialects of br pt sounds very similar to Spanish

Reminder that russian is a Frenchified turko-mongol speech, they dont even say dobrydien and their speech are riddled with Tuvan and French words, it's the least slavic language

>>213498982 (OP)
english is a mutted hybrid of old english (germanic) & french (latin), not a true germanic language

>>213524471
Loanwords do not change a language's ancestry.

>>213524477
it goes so far beyond loanwords in english's case though. its completely fused with french

>>213524431
how the fuck did you guys manage that one

>>213524489
How so? The core vocabulary and grammar are still solidly Germanic.

>>213498982 (OP)
Hindi is generally understandable if you speak Urdu except they use more made-up pseudo-Sanskrit words that entered the language to push out earlier, organically created Persian and Turkish words.

>>213498982 (OP)
Yes, yes I do.

>>213498982 (OP)
Standard Malay, Indon and Bruneian is 90% similar. However, there are hundreds of almost mutually unintelligible regional dialects among these countries. I lived in NZ for some years and was pleased to recognise many conserved words in the Maori language due to our shared ancestors.

>>213499153
Oi wot u on aboot, talk propa queen's tongue ya wanker

>>213524558
>Uurbsi
>Guurbsi
No way this is real

>>213524502
Monarchy basically. The Russian Czars spoke exclusively French for a long time. It was basically Russia's attempt to be "cultured", and they looked to France as their example.

>>213524756
They also did it with polish culture, they dressed as polish nobles for a while but it was soon forgotten when they went into dutchboo phase

>>213524894
Polish nobles also had a period of larping as French. In 18th century it was even a common motif in literature that an old Polish noble wearing the traditional Polish outfit and holding "traditional Polish values" (conservatism, religiousness) argues with his son who wears a French outfit and promotes French ideas (revolution, atheism, egalitarianism and so on). Our national poet Mickiewicz wrote a sentence "what a Frenchman comes up with, a Pole will always like"

>>213500127
I find it strange how people only make fun of the Dutch for "eek ook" sounds when that's literally what Estonian sounds like.

>>213525309
Dutch specifically sounds like someone speaking English in a funny way. Like a clown.

>>213525495
I'm pretty sure that paper is in Afrikaans, not Dutch.

>>213524754
the entirety of swiss german is like that though

>>213498982 (OP)
I can probably understand about 10% of Chinese in texts.

>>213520893
>>213520767

Weird, apparently Italian is very easy for Portuguese and Romanians, while I can't understand almost nothing from these two languages.
I can get the sense of written Portuguese, but listening to it is like polish, I think it's the pronunciation is what makes it difficult.

>>213498982 (OP)
there's this polish dude on yt which did a bunch of "can a speaker of x understand y" videos
can't remember the name of his channel
I've watched two or three such videos and people would generally manage to get the gist of what the other person was saying, often more than that
but that doesn't tell you much about mutual intelligibility because people he would have on were always people with an interest in languages, I remember some of them teaching others their native tongue or something similar, so I'd expect them to be much more familiar with other languages then your average dude on the street
that being said, from my personal experience I understand slovene quite well, I used to play dota with two slovenians and after a short while I managed to understand 95+% of what they were saying and they apparently had even less trouble understanding me
I never bothered to learn slovenian tho, I'd always reply back in serbocroatian

>>213525878
I think he was called the ecolinguist. I sat next to him on Metelkova here in Slovenia once, I gawked at his Polish cigarettes and he snatched them away, thinking I was gonna steal them lolz

>>213517479
most keywords come from french, so uitspreken is "to pronounce", woordenboek is "dictionary", woordenschat "vocabulary". yeah words like "is" are the same but that doesn't make you understand a sentence
i only know the translations by shitposting but even after a decade i still have to look up how things are written because english spelling is a free for all. no, english really is the odd one out of the germanic languages
like i said scandinavian languages often have keywords that have a very similar equivalent in dutch, and not some bastardised french term

>>213499319
Norwegian writing is basicly what happens if you spell swedish phoneticly
Norwegian speech is basicly what happens if you kick a swede in the balls

>>213523318
>>213523391
Galician (Portuguese) is unironically closer

>>213523341
or "raad" in dutch. what i've been saying. but rat in english is also rat in dutch so i didn't immediately get it

>>213525523
it is. and also stop being a retard making fun of a language you mistake for another and you don't even know or want to how it's actually pronounced
"ook" sounds very close to "oak", a tree
>an oak tree HAHAHAHAHAHAAA
this is what it's like when you're a native dutch speaker when you see the 1000th thread with ik ook

>>213517184
GOODMORNING SIRS

>>213498982 (OP)
Written spanish, portuguese and italian is fairly easy to understand.
Romanian however require a great amount of concentration and knowledge of some old french words

>>213524754
Yes, yes it is!

bump

>>213529915
Outdated meme map. It's Ameisi here in Luzern and I never met any Swissfag who calls it different.