Thread 213505705

We're real close with Sweden for some reason.

>>213505705 (OP)
The USA is my nigga

>>213505729
Did they sell you fighter jets too?

whichever nation currently has the bigges subhuman cockroach vermin shitstain leaders

>>213505705 (OP)
didnt you guys just give the gripen its first ever kill and combat record?

>>213505851
We might have, yes.

>>213505928
We did. Probably the first kills for China's VT-4 tanks as well (blowing up Cambodian T-53/54s).

>>213505928
based. still not shure if norway made the right choice witt f35 over gripen.

>>213505991
Little sad its first kill wasn't some russian like it was designed to :(

>>213506151
Maybe cope but I think we dodged a bullet by not getting the greenlight for those. They seem high maintenance.

>>213506212
its main purpose was preventing russians from ever trying on sweden and while one cant really know for shure you can say its been successfull at that.

>>213506151
I mean you can't really compare 5th gen to 4.5 gen in combat capability, but from an operational perspective the Gripen was effectively made for Norway too.

>>213506212
Khmer are very pro-Putin so at least it got used to blow up Russian shills.

live your myth in sneeden

>>213506391
Amazing, well done Thailand! Cambodia also mostly operate soviet shit right? Maybe it did kill something russian :)

>>213506263
its not a thirdie plane sorry for the term, it requires a big budget to maintain. but i really question thoose maintendance hours, it doesnt add up with the daily activity we manage to do with our small fleet of them. the missions they fly every day from just one of our f35 airfields shouldnt be possible with the worst case maintendance scenario for them. its also capable of operating from swedish and finnish road runways and cant be refueled and rearmed in such settings. its just made for a different use, f35 can enter contested airspace and either operate stealthy or establish some level of air dominance, gripen is made to make shure foreign forces never do that on your airspace. they are basicly arch enemies.

>>213506621
*can be

>>213506616
A lot of old Soviet tanks got blown up, yeah.

>>213506621
That's not the reason, Romania got tons of them and their aviation infrastructure is far less developed than ours (we've had an air force/air corps since WW1 and even achieved air supremacy during the Franco-Thai War).

The real reason is America knows we hold exercises with China and doesn't want F-35s potentially involved. Even though Singapore already sold out their F-35s to Beijing years ago.

>>213506816
i know it was mostly politics involved but countries with smaller per capita military spending should look for bangs per buck not fancy expencive tech from usa.
its also the possibility that if usa realise their "enemy" whoever that might be have f35 they simply scrap the whole program and destroy the tooling to repair it. they did that to f14 due to iran having them and then going against usa. f14 being a plane usa really wish they had in their fleet today.
>inb4 f35 can be remotely shut down
no it cant if that was possible every chinese and russian hacker would be paid by the goverment to crack that code and they would have succeded by now. usa isnt that dumb.

>>213507158
Again, our military budget - including air force budget - is larger than that of Romania and we were only looking to buy 8 F-35s. Meanwhile America is selling 30-40+ to Romania. America even tried to sell us Block 70 F-16s that actually would've been MORE expensive than F-35s. So don't say it's about budget, it's purely politics.

Anyway, America doesn't need an active kill switch, it can just refuse software updates.

>>213507289
romania is a poorfag country desperately trying to be rich while also dead scared of russia for obvious reasons. a romanian here will work a dead end minimum wage job and buy a bmw just to not look poor. its the same thing, they already bought most of or f16's just to have something in the air while they wait. back to the car analogy, if you are poor, better to buy skoda or fiat, cars you can afford and maintain than something you cant afford. you can make up some of the disadvantage in numbers and training.
with 8 f35s 2-4 of these would be in usa for training and you only got 4 active in your country, some of them will be down for maintendance you might not afford. just buy 20 more gripens instead.

Realistically is Argentina.

We're also pretty close with Sweden and France, but France keep blocking the FTA so idk.

>>213507679
Regardless, we can easily afford 8 F-35s if Romania - with its much smaller military budget - can afford fucking 40. But you're right that it's probably not worth the expense anyway. None of our neighbors have anything that can match our current inventory.

>>213507854
thing is romania cant really afford it they just do it anyway and i dont blame them with their current location on the map and previous hustory.
did you even get the message of my previous post?
>be poor
>get first paycheck
>omg im rich i gonna apply for all these credit card and use them to buy big tv's, cars and stereos
planes like f35 is designed to beat planes like gripen, gripen is designed to counter planes like f35 on a budget. if any is successfull at that we dont yet know. what is your doctrine? stay at home and protect your airspace? then its gripen.
possibly be part of a unit like nato, go abroad, defend others or cover wast oceans, maybe a few attack runs into enemy territory? then its f35.

>>213508274
>what is your doctrine? stay at home and protect your airspace?
No, because cambodia has nothing to invade our air space with to begin with. Our doctrine is to strike deep inside their territory and blow up their GRADs.

>>213508274
By your logic, Israel shouldn't have F-35 either.

>>213508333
no need to waste money on stealth planes then, you could have used air tractors or embraer tucano. they are designed for dropping bombs on ferile jungle niggaz with ak's.

>>213508359
why would the american air force, army, navy, goverment and most importantly tax department not have access to their best equipment?

>>213508519
>you could have used air tractors or embraer tucano

>>213505705 (OP)
Australia, Canada, New Zealand, USA

>>213505705 (OP)
Our Royal families were close ride or die niggas and i think our good relations stem from that, along with how Swedens love to vacation in Thailand. I also like Thailand, you are the most based SEA niggas

>>213508675
>i need to drive a bmw m5 to my job as a plumber if not people think im poor

>>213508809
You buy them then. Oh wait, you won't.

>>213508761
Thanks bro

>>213508862
we dont have ferile jungle niggaz and we can afford f35, such planes would serve no purpose to us. what would we use them against, samis? nah, they are bro's.

>>213509004
F-35s serve no purpose for you, you have zero threats. Meanwhile you're trying to tell a country with a hostile neighbor that it should be using prop planes for its air force. Such an odd take, not even mad. I just think you're probably trolling.

Either way, I think this is why we prefer Sweden.

>>213509004
So by your own admission, you have no need for jets. You just want them because you want to be the bmw guy in your own metaphor.

>>213509004
Our reason for keeping the F-35 from Thais had fuck all to do with affordability, we just don't trust them because they're geographically close to China, same reason we don't want Taiwan to have it. You seem to have a very simplistic view of the world but given where you live, it's not surprising.

>>213509150
>>213509225
we have russia at our east border and constantly pushing their limits in the north sea. the sea part being the important one here. if shit hit the fan we can rely on finns and swedes doing their part on the land route, on the sea its up to us. there you cant do low ground dogfight maneuvers its all about not being seen in the first place. we where also nato from day1 so its logical to use planes your allies do, so far netherlands, belgium and denmark has opted for the same spec f35 with a drag chute that we developed, simply because we proved it work and they are seeing the north sea as its most likely war scenario just like us and you need a drag chute on icy runways.

>>213509338
duh i said it several times, i know it was political but they shouldnt look for then in the first place since they cant realisticly afford them. it wont serve them any good.

>>213509563
>we have russia at our east border
A country that's permanently stuck in Ukraine and would be completely BTFO by the entirety of Europe that's under the US umbrella if (for whatever reason) it tried to attack a NATO member. Meanwhile we're completely on our own and you're telling us to use prop planes. If you can't see your own hypocrisy, I can't help you.

>>213509628
Actually they can. Their budget and air force are among the most advanced in the region but again, it's all politics. Taiwan probably needs the F-35 more than anyone else in Asia but we still won't sell it to them. Wonder why? It has nothing to do with affordability. It never did.

>>213509628
If we couldn't afford them, we wouldn't try to buy them. You're literally the only one making that claim.

>>213505705 (OP)
Albania

>>213509693
yeah and its this way because we spend money on it, its a balance we cant do much with. tucanos and air tractors would do nothing to it here. you however do have such guerrilla groups and small fractions that pop up here and there, border conflicts with totally underpowered neighbours and such. just send out a prop plane and bomb them for 1/100 the cost?
>last confirmed prop plane kill of a jet was vietnam war when an a1 shot down a mig in dogfight
>a10 is still a formidable dogfighter
>prop planes are slow but turn on a dime and if equipped with such rockets it can shoot down jets even today

>>213505801
Its gonna get better hungbro just stay patient

>>213510158
>we
KEK Norway sent less money to Ukraine than Japan...

>>213510158
>prop planes are what you need just trust me bro
Are you working for Big Propeller?

>>213509840
dude you military budget is 5,7 billion usd vs our 8,7. and thats with over 10 times more people, thats what i mean when i say you cant really afford it. having the money in the bank right now and being physicly able to afford it right now doesnt mean you actually can afford it in the long run, maintendace cost is a thing. then when tribes and guerillas start acting out you might wish you had a few prop loiter-surveillance-bombers instead of f35's waiting for parts.

>>213510590
>Norway operates over 50 35s
>Thailand has well over half the Norwegian military budget
So by your own logic, they should to easily be able to afford 25 F-35s.

>>213510590
You basically just admitted our budget should allow for more than the 8 F-35s we were asking for.

USA, France, UK, Netherlands and Norway are our most important ones I'd say. All other EU and/or NATO members too, but those I named are the most important bilateral ones. Outside of EU and NATO, Ukraine and Israel are important partners I'd say, but they're not our allies.

>>213510934
>>213511148
norway
>107 000 people to pay for each f35
thailand
>8 960 000 to pay for each suggested f35
>with a smaller total military budget
i say that means you cant really afford them.

>>213505705 (OP)
>Who's your eternal ally?
We've gone to war with almost everybody on the planet, so no idea. Not even us in regards of the number of civil wars we had.
I would have say wine but faggot zoomers drink beer if they seldom drink

>>213511700
>France
ETERNAL
ALLY
you fucking krauts, you want another one ? Because this is how you get another one. And don't start me on the anglos or the Spanish.

>>213511913
That's why they wanted to buy fewer of them. Strange you keep ignoring that part. Almost like you're trying to win an argument no one is making.

>>213511913
Now adjust for 8 F-35s versus 52.

For me, it's Israel.

>>213512594
you can't be allied to yourself you dumb moshe

>>213512461
cringe
nobody but retarded autists cares about supposed feuds in Europe
Germany and France despite being too retarded to work together smoothly have each others' national security as vital interest
>>213512594
Israel views us as a customer and reliable supporter, we're not an ally to them and neither are they to us. They're a military supplier.

>>213506524
vgh

>>213512461
we are your eternal mini ally not germany :]

>>213505705 (OP)
Military is (was?) USA.
On a human level Spain.