Which was better?

roman empire achieved more but bottom deserves more respect. its stupid pretending they were "villains" in a dog eats dog era

Rome, if you disagree your fucking brown

the kalmar union

>>213549857
the caliphates achieved nothing. they also wiped out the cultural and intellectual heartland of the Roman Empire. why do they deserve respect?

>>213550004
if you manage to conquer this much land (even disregarding a lot of it is desert) that deserves respect. the spanish conquered a shit ton of land and contributed nothing to civilozation. i still have some respect for spain

>>213550004
Still exist on their territory
Didn't move hq to the Americas
Pretty much unchanged
Got into Asian cuties
New franchises lately

the commonwealth

>>213550313
based and true

The bottom didn't really leave that big of a cultural impact but they did advance mathematics quite a bit. The ottomans were way more impactful than the OG caliphates imo

>>213549533 (OP)

Top, because of Christianity.

>>213550417
Isn't that the first Caliphate to convert the population to Islam and have them change language to Arabic? That is a pretty huge cultural impact desu senpai

>>213550004
central asia would have been han chinese if it wasn't for the caliphate help. The tang dynasty took over the region and the arab pushed them back to gansu.

>>213550038
Nigga before the Spanish conquered the Americas 90% were mudhuts

>>213550417
Spreading Islam and making massive advances in mathematics is "culturally relevant"

Top almost discovered steam engines when their neighbours were barbarians

Bottom mostly inherited the tops greatness

>>213551405
bottom didnt inherite anything, muslims just destroyed

>>213550426
based

>>213551405
Lithium ion batteries research group had an arab on their team
So all modern technology battery is partially arabs work

>>213549533 (OP)
One of them was probably the oldest junta ever recorded and the other was a well defined republic

>>213551448
thank you for telling us you have zero interest in factual and objective discussion retard

>>213549533 (OP)
Not comparable, Rome took centuries to build up that Empire while the Caliphate rushed into it - which led to its collapses shortly after Mo's death.

But you have to give Muhammed some credit as a warlord/political leader for uniting the various Arabic tribes to conquest.

>>213549533 (OP)
I don't particularly like either.

>>213551405
That was the Greeks. The Romans were dindus.

>>213550038
>Spanish contributed nothing to civilization
retard

>>213553460
how long until my tacos are ready miguel

>>213553494
not a mexican, or any type of hispanic, you are still a retard

>>213551332
ugh thank god for that
instead of competent asians the world got endless seas of brown retards
ugh im so glad those heckin caliphaterinos took the land instead!!

>>213550417
>advance mathematics quite a bit.
copying other's work is not advancing

>>213551739
Promises of 72 virgins after dying is a good sales pitch

>>213554065
oh zhang.

One gave the world civilization and statecraft. All empires since have always been in its shadow.
The other is just goatfuckers worshiping a very mediocre book that is completely antithetical to life

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>>213553460
He's talking about civilization in general, human civilization. What did the fucking Moorberians even do with their so called "empire"? What are their technological inventions to help humanity as a species? What revolutionary scientific discoveries did they make to understand more about the Universe? If you say you hate the Umayyad Caliphate because it didn't contribute anything but you like the Spanish empire, then you're a fucking subhuman.

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>>213555473
I didn't say anything about Umayyad

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>>213555312
Everybody built onto what was there before them. Europe got massively influenced by their scientific contributions. The works of people like Ibn Sina and Ibn Al-Haytham were all translated to Latin and were used for centuries.

>>213549857
sure thing Abdul, how's life in Rome?

>>213556692
what specific part of my post hurt your precious feelings?

>>213549533 (OP)
rome

>>213550038
>spanish conquered a shit ton of land and contributed nothing to civilozation
read a book nigger

>>213555473
>American arguing that the Spanish Empire was important.
>Mexican arguing that the Spanish Empire didn't do anything.
Huh?

>>213549533 (OP)
Rome is still the most impressive empire to date. It's no wonder God chose to incarnate at that time.

>>213555473
Lol

Honestly both Rome and the Caliphates are overrated memes. Rome was just a glorified sewer system that collapsed the moment people stopped stabbing each other for fun, and the Caliphates were desert bandits who copied Greek texts and called it science. Meanwhile, real civilization was happening in China and India. Westerners and Arabs just plagiarized and killed each other for sand.

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