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Previous Thread: >>213615902

I can't get
>nothing beats a jet2 holiday
meme

What's so funny about this meme?

>>213635165 (OP)
>Kannada
>Canada
Is that why Indians go to Canada?

>>213635752
I guess the joke is that it's a shitty budget airline for poor people? That's all I got after googling.

>>213635752
in the age of short-form content platforms, no meme makes sense anymore. things go viral with no rhyme or reason so don't think too much about it
if you want any context at all on that soundbyte, it was part of their commercials for a while and it was spammed everywhere until it had entered the public conscience

>suffixaufnahme

how long did it take you to give up on japanese iyc?

how is russian lower than japanese?

>>213637598
Never got past learning kana. I'm so used to just jumping in learning words and reading/listening that I can't be fucked to memorize all the squiggles first. I'll try in a couple years once I'm happy with my other TLs, so I can focus on it completely.

>>213638407
they are poor and not all of them have internet connection

>>213638551
>Never got past learning kana.
it's a bit of a philosophical question but is it even possible to quit something before having started it?

kek

i cant study today there is a mouse in my room behind the oven/fridge (I saw the sneaky lad's tail).
i dont want to set traps and kill the mouse bro

>>213638793
there are plenty of non lethal ways to catch mice.

>>213638793
just leave him alone who cares? and clean up your kitchen.

its not like hes a cockroach hes probably a good lad

>>213638793
Get a cat.

>>213638848
im poorfag I got 20 bucks (euros) to my name so i cant do anything.
the fucker moved between my cavity wall to under my sink and ripped open my garbage can. (I thought I tore it) then he did it again two days ago. Now I saw his tail in the corner of my eye. I KNOW he is in here. He must've been living under my sink/drain. I can smell something is off inside I think he is pissing there
>>213638889
i am a rentoid. no pets allowed.

>>213638660
I get several rows into hiragana in that one memory game and get bored. Tried brute-forcing anime with Language Reactor since it has romaji transcription, but it's not even correct 100% of the time.

I know people say it takes like a week to learn, but I can't be arsed. My cope is I'm focusing on other TLs lol

>>213635837
Knowing the literacy rates, I wouldn’t doubt some Jeets flew straight to Canada expecting to go cross country.

>>213639299
>it takes like a week to learn
takes 30 min to learn each kana though
>I get several rows into hiragana in that one memory game and get bored
well, looks like you wouldnt have made it with anki gooning kanji to begin with, good you dodged a bullet this early
then again you should have started with katakana as it gives you most of the intuitive english loanwords to feel good about comprehending immediately
what enjoyment do you get out of language learning anyway?

>>213639718
>takes 30 min to learn each kana though
>30 min to learn each kana
do you mean 30 min to learn all of them together, or it takes 30 min to learn a single one? Or 30 means to learn hiragana and 30 mins to learn katakana

>>213639718
>what enjoyment do you get out of language learning anyway?

I get a lil dopamine hit when I understand full sentences in my TL and when I unlock new levels of comprehension. So far I've been learning only Euro languages with latin/cyrilic scripts that are known to me.

>30 mins
I don't know about that. I think I will have to write them out many times to connect the symbols to the sound, maybe scriptorium with actual sentences would help.

Do you have a special method for commiting them to memory?

>>213638982
>no pets allowed
You already have a mouse though.

>>213639886
the latter-er
30 min for each set of characters

>I think I will have to write them out many times to connect the symbols to the sound
why "write"
all i did was take a piece of paper make a grid, use the wikipedia table copied it to by hand and then played https://djtguide.neocities.org/kana/ for 30 minutes straight, never had to come back to learning these over again
its just easier anki as theres only 50 cards and no meaning to recognize

then i went on to goon kanji
i went through the 10k deck at 500 new cards a day going like this
"show new card, learn only the reading of characters, bury any card with reading already seen (no redundancy)"
i did is cuz being able to read the kanij allows you to pull it ouf of dictionary faster than squiggling it

>>213629589
Doing that helped me a lot when I was a beginner in French, but honestly I've been trying the same thing with German and it seems like it's seriously taking way too much time. And usually, text-heavy games don't have voice acting other than Japanese and English, so I get the impression that I'm missing an important element. And even text-heavy games have segments without much dialogue.
I'm really trying now to make watching series in my TL the primary habit, and video games are just for fun.

>>213641000
checked
>then i went on to goon kanji
i went through the 10k deck at 500 new cards a day going like this
wtf.

how well did this work for you? how is your japanese?

>>213635752
Because it’s such an overly happy and bubbly ad that’s almost loud, with an accent that Americans find kind of goofy, and so pairing it with footage of niggers chimping out in any given tourist destination is hilarious.

I got 250 cards into the Kaishi 1.5k, learned to write kana from memory, learned to write a couple hundred kanji, watched about 1/4 of Cure Dolly’s grammar playlist, and then just got bored. Also for personal business reasons I worked up the courage to start Korean. I will say that the frequency deck in particular was immediately and immensely rewarding for watching anime. However, I also doubt the value of going over it so intensively. For Korean I'm getting an actual physical 5k frequency dictionary and I’m just going to skim/mark that up while watching input instead.

I think if/when I come back to it I’ll use Pimsleur, I’ve been using it for Pimsleur, and now when I open learning materials and/or see sentences I feel like I’m learning/practicing to read stuff I already know intuitively, instead of trying to convert these new characters into words. It’s made me reconsider the arguments of people who vouch for doing spoken-first for East Asian languages. Far from my experience with Chinese or Japanese, after like 3 weeks of audio-only learning, when I opened the FSI basic course and read through the first two units understanding most words, intuitively grasping pretty much all the grammar, and anything I did not know came easily. Also Hangul, while simple to learn on a basic level, became dramatically easier to read only when I stopped looking at it entirely to do pimsleur for a few weeks.

I think when I finish Pimsleur for Korean I might just do the Japanese course then and come back to it.

ITT: recurrent failure

>>213643132
>learned to write
I think you should skip learning to write kanji. It's a massive amount of effort for relatively little payoff. You can go way faster if you just focus on learning to read kanji at first.
You can always learn to write later.

Why come here instead of learning your target language? I don't come here much anymore because I can't think of a reason.

>>213644632
I asked myself the same question and came to the conclusion that my autism forces me to remain imprisoned here in /lang/ and escaping this place is like Chris-chan escaping the anime pokemon world: impossible

>>213644632
For the sense of community, I guess. It's like, we'r all in this shit together, sharing knowledge, experiences, laughing at the no-langers still unable to pick a language, answering timewasting questions for the Nth time... One day we're all gonna make it, yes, even that guy.

>>213645222
>yes, even that guy.
You don't mean... him...?

>>213644632
autism, that's why

>>213644632
I like reading about the progress of anons and their thoughts, but I also like complaining.

could you do it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKHKnRnL2m8

Anyone else here /litcel/? I know two literary languages to a high level (Latin and Ancient Greek) and I am learning Mandarin, which I will also use primarily for reading.

i have 100 reviews tomorrow anoncoons.

we can do this. you can do this. we got this

>>213644632
make fun of the serb

안녕하세요
어서오세요

I think the spaced repeition feature on the app I use for learning hanzi is retarded. I feel like I'm getting far more cards to review than I would on Anki

>>213647452
No because I would never learn Fr*nch

>>213647607
Your top 3 american and british authors?

>>213648992
I don't have certain favorites in those categories, but my favorite Polish-British author is without a doubt Joseph Conrad

one bad thing on youtube if you are watching videos to learn, like in my case Slow German videos, the algorithm starts recommending you videos on the topic of language learning. so you get distracted by evildea or steve kaufman videos instead of the videos actually related to the language you are learning.

>>213641507
>how well did this work for you?
said to myself better get it out of the way sooner than later as inputting anything without furigana would be just too slow
>how is your japanese?
wrong question
what i wrote here makes hastens your kanji aquisition; arguably the biggest hurdle when learning japanase

the normal study i did was
>learn kana
>go through a textbook first
>in parallel: easier input material (manga), be going through another textbook, goon 10k anki deck for kanji reading only
>in parallel: harder input material (novels), go through advanced grammar dictionary, goon 10k anki deck for vocab
then you can fap yourself to death with all the vns

>>213649222
Conrad's great, I concur.
>>213649233
Click on the do not recommend this channel
>evildea
Why do ugly, dysgenic fucks like this show their face on the internet?

>>213644296
I used Remembering the Kanji, I never really practiced writing, I just learned Kanji via components, so if I knew a Kanji, I knew it’s components, and by extension how to write it modestly well.

What is the most splendor Romance language?
Also bumb before

>>213650487
Latin

>>213650487
French if it was pronounce how it's written.

>>213644632
come to see if anyone else is learning the same

>>213650877
Latin is an Italic language. Romance languages are the ones that come from Latin

>>213650487
Spanish

>>213651232
Shut up faggot

>>213651522
Stay mad and uneducated, faggot.

>>213651751
Semanticsfagging is gay and retarded

>>213651946
Not knowing the definitions of words is retarded
Italic is based

>>213647607
Learnt in school/uni or yourself?

>>213652134
I started Latin in a high school class, started Ancient Greek myself, then studied both in uni

>>213652079
Nigger if you know what I meant you don’t need to whip out a copy of Webster’s you midwit

>>213652194
You literally did not answer the question in a way that was true or useful. Obviously that anon was not looking for Latin in his range of possible answers

>>213651522
Elaborate how he is wrong exactly.

>>213652193
Greek is very impressive I'd say
I've tried reading Pharr, but it's quite a drag to get through by oneself
Even modern Greek I've found challenging, especially given that most of vocab is completely alien to any of the languages I know
So what are you up to with a Classics degree now?

द्रविड = असली भारतीय ।

You know they hate dravidians when the last consonant for the "Dravidian' equivalent word in Hindi is a voiced retroflex plosive instead of the usual voiced dental plosive, expresses how their arrogance goes even to their language, as nuance, notice the contempt.

>>213652443
Ancient Greek has more complex verbal morphology than Latin, but its syntax is more straightforward. If you get past the initial hump, it's not too bad.
>So what are you up to with a Classics degree now?
Applying for postgrad

>>213652244
He’s not wrong he’s just being a fag about it

>>213652222
Case in point. Checked.

>>213652605
Go be wrong and whiny somewhere else, faggot

>>213652732
What are you gonna do about it nigger?

>>213654182
You don't have to take my advice, but you might get a headache trying to read all the big words here

>>213635165 (OP)
I know Kannada, Hindi and Malayalam, can understand Tamil and also I despise those dirty pandis. Telugu is the language of the deceiver and the temptress.

>>213654297
ThNkz 4 th3 advize keyend suhtranjer. Eye cannae wreed too gud

I hate Japanese I hate Japanese I hate Japanese

昨 - meaning: previous, pronounced "saku"
日 - meaning: day, pronounced "he"
昨日 - meaning: yesterday (makes sense), pronounced "kinou" (seriously what the fuck)

Let's go further:
一 - one, pronounced "ichi"

We add that on to 昨日 and we get:
一昨日 - meaning: day before yesterday, pronounced "ototoi", because fuck you.

I hate Japanese

What's with the deleted posts

>>213654993
You can technically read 昨日 as さくじつ and 一昨日 as いっさくじつ, they're just less common than the irregular reading.

>>213655257
probably got banned

Gonna study my favorite Romance language today, Latin. Should I read aloud in Reconstructed or Ecclesiastical today?

>>213654993
this is what happens when you haphazardly slap kanji on to native words instead of reserving them for borrowed vocabulary. Why did the Japanese do this?

>>213655257
>>213656394
I remember one time I got banned for posting a mildly trollish comment that probably hurt some janny's feefees, and they went nuclear on every single post I made in any thread, no matter how innocuous. It doesn't make sense, but it happens.

>>213656586
Whichever pronunciation produces a more satisfying LARP.

thinking of learning italian so I can speak it loudly in front of italian americans who dont speak it to embarass and lord it over them

>>213658790
I don't think they care that much, they don't really have any connection to italy.
If you want to cause emotional pain the best way is to learn spanish, there's a lot of anchor babies that have childhood trauma from getting called no sabo by their cousins.

>>213650942
But it's kind of spoken as written, I mean, besides weird, 16th century or something like that, orthography, spelling is still very regular
>>213650877
Latin is its own category
>>213651454
Isn't Spanish losing popularity in the US? From the language of Terminator's and Bart's catchphrases to the language of the lower working class (which is cool but in countries with strong working class movements)
>>213658790
Shouldn't it be Sicilian or Neapolitan instead of standard Italian?

>>213654993
Japanese is the only language that makes me laugh at how stupidly you can read some words if you read the kanji literally
my current favourite is day weekday day (日曜日)

>>213654993
monolingual mutt minsdset
humility is the path of language learning

>>213656656
>haphazardly
kanji is based on concepts, if the words are different but the concept is the same what makes it haphazardly slapped on?

>>213660908
>if you read the kanji literally
whats that supposed to mean, as in whats the literal meaning of a multiconceptual character?

imagine if i were to invent a new word like
満月月 (fullmånmån) (full-moon-month)
what is the "literal reading" here supposed to mean? look how that supposed "stupidity" is mirrored (the 'mån' roto of 'måne' and 'månad') in your own language to jap whereas in english the concepts is separate words

also, my favourite word is 已己巳己

i am now 3 days behind anki due to mice
I have like 10 decks
its over

>>213661357
i want off mr yamamoto's wild ride

>>213661357
I have no idea what you are talking about. I don't think it's your post either, I think I am just a bit lost today. I am reading your post, not understanding a single thing of what you mean and just giggling

>>213661357
>whereas in english the concepts is separate words
scratch that, im actually wrong about the roots
>The words "month" and "moon" originates from the Proto-Germanic word "mēnōþs." and "mēnōn"
but to the point, the exclamation of "literal" to me bears no wight if it actually doesnt reduce ambiguity in any way

>>213661482
>I am reading your post, not understanding a single thing

ok. why is your "literal reading" of 日 "day" and not "sun" when thats actrually what the character is supposed to represent/is derived from capturing
thats what i didnt get when you invoked the term "literal" which doesnt computer for me when applied to the character 日
>"Maybe im autistic or something" - Linus Torvalds

as in
day weekday day (日曜日)
and
sun weekday sun (日曜日)
are both "literal" to me as though i see why the former would amuse you more

im kinda talking about moot things here though as in my experience the second 日 tends to be dropped anyway the japs think of it as redundant and silly too

hope i gave you some more giggles
might aswell consider this string of posts a verbose bump

>>213660540
No, it's not. I mean, every letter in written text is pronounced. For example, "water" is "eau," and in the cursed language known as f*ench, it's pronounced "o" or "u." I'm not really sure, and I don't really care. Either way, it's a shitty pronunciation.

>>213661382
don't blame mouse
for what you did
just keep going

page 10

page 5

Page 1

>>213662103
日 means both day and sun, because one day is how long it takes for a full cycle of the sun going up and down. Same reason 月 is both month and moon. The meaning of 日曜日 is sun + weekday.

Is duolingo a meme or does it work?

>>213666180
15 minutes of duolingo per day will get you to B2 in your TL in 2 months but only if you buy Duolingo Doubleplus Premium

>>213666180
It's grammar-translation (the worst way to learn a language), so it's a meme.

>>213666226
I'm not a cuck i pirated the premium version but idk if there are significantly better ways to learn or if it's good enough.

>>213639598
>213638982
lol an American saying this is just toof funny

>>213666180
language learning is a meme overall

>>213666307
>Jeets and spics flood into America
>Lower the literacy rate
>LMAO Americans are so dumb, they can't even read!
What causes this?

hej

>>213666394
No my spanish will surely come to use one day. I'm not learning it to feel like i'm not a complete worthless loser. It's a valuable use of my time and i'm a productive person.

>>213666447
你好

>>213666542
dáhpáhuvvá?

>>213666577
Nihil novi. Et tu?

Why is agglutination so cool?

>>213668289
Is that a Pokemon or something?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Ray_Waldon
What the fuck is wrong with conlangers?

>>213669559
>Born in Talhequah

>>213669559
he innocent

屌你老母

There are too many languages

Fellow Anons….

Bilingual C2 French and English.

I am not sure whether :
- Learn Italian (very good resources in French and in English)
-Learn German (extremely hard to learn and reach level B but very good resources in English). Genders are easy to memorize btw I already know how it works.
-Learn a Slav language (extremely difficult, no idea which one has even good resources in English. Probably would only want to aim A level since too complicated to go beyond. Ex : Serbian, Czech or idk).
-other Germanic languages : Svenska, Norwegian, or those that have two genders for example. Probably more doable than German if intensive learning.

>>213674198
Not really interested in Spanish.
Romanian I won’t say no, so that goes with Italian (romance)

>>213671711
what the

>>213674198
why not learn chink?

>>213675374
he considered german "extremely hard"
probably not the target demographic for asian langauges

>>213674198
When in doubt, check the Power Language Index and pick the highest ranked language. In your case it's German.

I was doing whatever yesterday and I realized that my last language will be Spanish. Is there anything I can do with it online? I'm still somewhat uncertain whether I should pick French or start using Latin again or not learning any more language, but still I'm almost sure now. Any drawbacks of Castilian compared to French?
>>213656586
Ecclesiastical. Reconstructed includes long vowels which are not written in the absolute majority of texts. There's no reason to memorize so much more things for so little reward

I can't remember how to start learning a language. I have learnt German to a pretty good level and I want to give Portuguese a go but idk where to begin.
When I started with German I was just using duolingo for like a year but moved on after a while. Idk what duolingo is like nowadays but I don't want to learn "the lawyer drinks milk" and stuff ffs.

>>213675999
Grind frequency lists and conjugations on anki and then go input

>>213675886
>There's no reason to memorize so much more things for so little reward
The reward of reading poetry can hardly be overstated

>>213676041
Never used Anki for german but I''l give it a go here. Cheers

Anyone else doing the CELPE-Bras this October?

>>213675999
PT-PT or PT-BR? checked btw

>>213675999
I also realized I really like the Received Pronunciation a lot, it really sounds so much better than any other accent. I think even *IF* I go to the US and *IF* I get any concerns about my pronunciation style, I can just make it rhotic without changing the vowels so it sounds kinda Irish or Canadian.
>>213676107
People were reading it without the long vowels for an entire millennium. They weren't missing a lot or they'd find their existence out way earlier.

>>213676658
>>213675886
I meant to take my own post sorry.

>>213676556
Are PRs annoyed by PT-BR-speaking foreigners? Currently learning PT-BR and I am scared PRs think I am actually Brazilian (and getting discriminated against), so having to resort to English.

>>213676556
How big is the difference between Portuguese variants compared to Spanish variants?
I notice people make a bigger deal out of picking a certain Portuguese dialect to learn compared to picking a Spanish dialect.

>>213676706
tag*
fuck i'm leaving the thread in shame

>>213675374
Useless unless you dedicate your whole entire life to it / not interested At All culturally

>>213675598
That’s a fact, if you’re into fluency

>>213676658
>They weren't missing a lot or they'd find their existence out way earlier.
their existence was never forgotten. people never stopped writing poetry that followed traditional meters, even if their version of latin usually lacked vowel length.

>>213676896
relatively speaking it's not very hard, for an english/french speaker it's quite a bit harder than romance languages and slightly harder than other germanic languages, that's about it
the vast majority of languages out there will be harder to learn than german

>>213676658
>People were reading it without the long vowels for an entire millennium.
Most classical poetry wasn't widely read in the period between the fall of the Western Roman Empire and the Renaissance. There was a "bottleneck" in which most poetry was preserved in only comparatively few manuscripts.
>They weren't missing a lot or they'd find their existence out way earlier.
What do you by "a lot"? Would you not be missing "a lot" of a modern song by only reading the lyrics without ever hearing its rhythm or instrumentals? There's a reason the early Humanists worked so assiduously to reconstruct vowel quantities following their renewed interest in non-Christian Classical literature

>>213676993
So you can read that meter perfectly fine even without phonemic length? Think it over anon.

>>213677034
No it's hard, you can't really even compare it with Romance languages.
>>213677037
>a modern song
Poetry is not a song.

>>213676993
Medieval Latin poetry used rhyming and stress-based meters. You can't imitate Classical meters without vowel quantity

>>213677133
>Poetry is not a song.
Correct. This is a comparison. I used this comparison because both poetry and music have rhythm as a defining feature, and you are necessarily missing the primary aesthetic value of both by ignoring it.

>>213677133
yes it's considerably harder than romance languages, especially if you already know french
now compare it to slavic, turkic, semitic, uralic, or basically any language in asia or africa and it's a walk in the park

>>213676710
in the real world? I've never encountered a Portuguese having trouble understanding a native Brazilian but I think that's just because they are so used to the accent. For a foreigner IDK. I assume for them it would be harder to understand you speak with an accent and you speak less natively.

>>213676718
I can't compare with spanish. I think the two dialects are different enough that for people who begin to learn PT, they should be deliberate about which they are choosing to avoid getting confused.

There are some grammatical differences, and significant differences in vocabulary and obviously accent.

Actually, Latin is a medieval language anyway. The Antiquity was dominated by Greek.

>>213676556
PT-PT my friend. Any tips?

Has anyone started learning a new language but then abandoned after some years of learning ? And if so, what made you stop learning it

its over

Will a russian дeвyшкa be xiaomashocked if I can utter a few words stringed together in her language?

>>213677537
meme language with 0 resources
besides portucucks are probably speaking the language of their brazilian betters by now

>>213677639
if chad => yes
else => no

>>213677639
if brown => yes
else => no

>>213677564
I was learning Latin but abandoned it because I found out nothing is really lost in translation. As in, the language looks and sounds good, but you don't really get a better impression from reading the originals.

>>213677270
It’s really not that difficult to just read in meter with Ecclesiastical. It’s what I do.

>>213677864
Can you explain what you mean? As in you are maintaining vowel lengths but are using an Ecclesiastical pronunciation otherwise? Because you literally can't read the meter of Classical poetry in pure Ecclesiastical because it doesn't maintain phonemic vowel length

>>213674198
>Genders are easy to memorize btw I already know how it works.
How does it work?

>>213678021
>you literally can't
soyjack.png

>>213675886
The stress accent isn't usually written either, but if you don't observe that you will sound like a moron.

>>213678288
The stress accent is essential, the vowel length is not.

>>213678352
In Classical pronunciation the two are connected because vowel quantity changes the stress pattern of a word. It's something that makes long vowels easier to remember

Languages are evolving, the medieval convention is the lastest actual form of Latin, which was a living language back then. Deal with it.
>>213678462
>vowel quantity changes the stress pattern of a word
No? Latin has a regular penultimate stress in most cases.

Reminder is the same sort of people who tell Greeks that they pronounce Greek wrong.

>>213678554
>No? Latin has a regular penultimate stress in most cases.
Not in Classical pronunciation. In Classical, stress normally falls on the antepenultimate syllable, but the penultimate syllable gains stress when it is heavy. So "dicere" has stress on the first syllable, and "dicare" has stress on the second

>>213678679
>antepenultimate
Ah yes sorry I was retarded. Doesn't change the point.

>>213678767
>Doesn't change the point.
Yes it does lol. The penultimate gains stress when it is heavy

I honestly don’t understand why someone would want to learn Latin, you can’t even make friends or anything, just a dead language. And there’s very little resources

>>213678869
You can determine which one is heavy without having any long vowels used, the same way people were doing it for 1000 years.

>>213678985
>just a dead language
Yeah that's true. It was useful when it was the lingua franca, which was up until 1800s. I have the same feelings for French.
>there’s very little resources
That's not true though.

>>213678989
>You can determine which one is heavy without having any long vowels used
tell me how you would systematically determine which syllables are heavy in
>dicere (3rd conjugation)
and
>dicare (1st conjugation)
without using vowel quantity
If you say that you just memorize it, then why not just memorize vowel quantities?

You're still wrong about vowel length not affecting stress btw, which is the main point

>>213677564
Yes, I stopped learning f*ench after high school, where I was forced to study it.

>>213679224
>in
>and
An exception. Otherwise, you know the rule, double consonants etc.
>the main point
The main points are:
>Reminder is the same sort of people who tell Greeks that they pronounce Greek wrong.
>Languages are evolving, the medieval convention is the lastest actual form of Latin, which was a living language back then. Deal with it.

>>213679076
>Yeah that's true. It was useful when it was the lingua franca, which was up until 1800s
1600.

>>213679505
I said (>>213678679)
>vowel quantity changes the stress pattern of a word
and you said (>>213678554)
>No?
So yes, that is the main point, which started this discussion.

>>Reminder is the same sort of people who tell Greeks that they pronounce Greek wrong.
>>Languages are evolving, the medieval convention is the lastest actual form of Latin, which was a living language back then. Deal with it.

both things that I never mentioned
conclusion: you lack reading comprehension

>>213679505
Just stop embarrassing yourself, svinosobaka.

>>213678985
nesciō, sed in helldivers 2 hodīe lūsorem cum nōmine "dignus.vir" vidī et mē paulum superbum sēnsī

>>213679714
Tepпи.
>>213679604
In the east and in science, it was used literally up until the 1800s.
>>213679669
Stress patterns in Latin have nothing to do with vowel length. Medieval pronunciation is the only legit pronunciation of Latin. Deal with it tranny.

>>213679335
I’m surprised since you’re closer to Germany, so why would you learn French instead :/ not a hard language except for the rules that make little sense.

>>213679814
Looks like Lithuanian and I can’t explain why

>>213680000
You are too retarded to learn Latin, and you will never understand it at a high level.

>>213680000
Call 117.

>>213680195
Obsessed.
>>213680157
See >>213678985

>>213680275

>>213680275
I already spent a year learning Latin in university. The zigger is wrong.

>>213677537
The Italian is right, unfortunately there are far fewer resources than there are for PT-BR but and at the beginner level IMO mixing the two is not ideal.

Here is what I did, and what I would do again if I could do it over again:
>been learning on and off for 3 years
>do Pimsleur 1 and most of Pimsleur 2 for PT-PT
>start using Practice Portuguese
>make first trip to PT
>Keep doing Practice Portuguese
>make second trip to PT
>take a break for 2-4 months
>start again, doing penpals, and meet brazilian friends online
>talk for some months while I also listen to news in PT-BR
>take a break for like 6 months
>Finally start again, using Practice Portuguese
>Buy these books from Susana Morais that have Portuguese called StoryGlot; they are awesome.
>For 4-5 months take private lessons on ITalki
>Next trip to Portugal this September
>Read several Harry Potter books
>continue with private lessons
>The following trip to Portugal was back in December
>finally can read a classic portuguese book
>continue with private lessons

Now if I did it all over again, I would probably start with:
- Subscribe to (and read) the short stories of StoryGlot. Buying the books and doing exercises: https://storyglot.com/books/
- Also listen to the Portuguese with Leo Beginner Podcast and Intermediate Podcast, to practice comprehensible input. He also has a Youtube channel.
- If you have the money for it, use PRactice Portuguese. It has a (shitty) SRS system built-in but really good dialogues for following along. If I did it all over again, I would use them just for the dialogues and copy all their cards into Anki for myself.
- At this point you can probably evaluate a bit if you like the language and want to invest more in it.

Practice Portuguese is a great resource. Not all of it is pay-walled thankfully. But they explain Grammar well and have lots of free stuff.

>>213678985
2 reasons.

1. You’re Catholic or some other western variety of Christian
2. You’re a pseud that wants an esoteric people to dunk on the internet with repeating dogmatic phrases like >>213678021

So, in effect, something like 95% of Latin usage day to day is done by Catholics (counting something like the Agnus Dei’s use in mass) with the remaining 5% being some mixture of other Christians and redditors. Even the vast majority of Latin in a scholarly context is Catholic. When you get into actual novel production of texts in Latin, the same overwhelmingly Catholic ratio persists. The Vatican puts out documents in Latin literally daily, maintains a current dictionary, etc. You can go read the Pope’s twitter in Latin even. Many thousands of priests are still educated in Latin.

I can’t tell you how many times someone’s view on Latin has shifted mid-conversation with me, especially online, the moment my Christianity/Catholicism is mentioned lmao. LARPers want to act like they’re the TRVE HEIRS OF ROME because they say weeky, over the actual Roman institution surviving to this day that makes up most Latin usage.

>>213680363
This was written in Greek and not in Latin btw.
>>213680405
I spent too, I've also studied it out of class. Do they now teach you Latin instead of Russian on Ukraine or something?

>>213680495
>Greek
Another language with phonemic vowel length btw, and another one you are too retarded to learn

>>213680495
> on Ukraine

>haha you sound like an Italian
>I want to speak Latin how it was “when Rome was victorious”

>>213677537
>>213680465

part 2, here are links to stuff:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Portuguese-Months-Free-Audio-Understanding/dp/0241537401
- single-best grammar book i have found for an english speaker. It doesn't have everything but it explains the grammar points. I never read it all the way through but use it for reference

storyglot: https://storyglot.com/books/
- These are great because you can buy the book, download the audio, and they also have exercises. She also makes a newsletter that is good too.

portuguese with leo
- if you sign up on his site (it's free), you can read all the transcripts: https://www.portuguesewithleo.com/

practice portuguese: https://www.practiceportuguese.com/

As for Anki decks, unfortunately I don't know any. I just have my own shit that I've collected over awhile.

send me questions and i can help.

>>213680489
this post highlights the reason
>the moment my Christianity/Catholicism is mentioned
applies
if someone wants to read what Romans wrote «as they did», he doesn't give a single fuck what some priest in 1800 may think about Latin, it's as simple as that, no matter how many of those priests exist or christians whose interest in Latin is merely as instrument of their faith not as a language spoken by an actual ancient people

>>213680489
This. Latin became the language of the educated AFTER the "fall" of Rome, before that it was the vernacular of the northwestern retards while everybody else spoke Greek.
>>213680549
>literally tells literal Greeks pronounce literally their language wrong
What a mouthbreather.

>>213680000
>In the east and in science, it was used literally up until the 1800s.
You are confusing the 18th century for the 1800s. The french started publishing in french at the end of the 1600s and the english by the early 1700s under the influence of the royal society. Latin only remained in use only in "medicine".

>>213680489
>2. You’re a pseud that wants an esoteric people to dunk on the internet with repeating dogmatic phrases like >>213678021 (You)
Explain to me how you read Classical meter with Ecclesiastical pronunciation

Also if you're the anon who posts Latin here regularly, your posts are filled with mistakes, but I've been too nice to correct them

>>213680619
>a language spoken by an actual ancient people
You do realize that the latest moment it was spoken by an actual people was in the 1800s' Poland?
>>213680571
Ha yкpaинe. Speak properly.

>>213680649
>>literally tells literal Greeks pronounce literally their language wrong
Yeah, pronunciation tends to change in a language after 2700 years lmao

>>213680733
you do realize you are so braindead you cannot even comprehend elementary english phrases let alone Latin?
pro-tip, reread "if someone wants to read what Romans wrote «as they did»" and pay attention to the words if and «as they did»

Learning a language : speak, understand, write
What I want : only want to understand what’s being said and be able to read.
Then maybe there’s no point

>>213680105
>so why would you learn French instead
I remember that when I was applying to high school, I had to choose a second foreign language. I chose german because I had taken it in middle school and wanted to continue studying it, but more people in my class chose french. Because of "democracy," I was forced to take french.
>not a hard language except for the rules that make little sense.
Yeah, I know, but I dislike the french and their national ideology, which they spread throughout the world. Also, french is completely useless to me. I will never set foot in france.

>>213680619
Pretty much just proving my point. It’s not “just” an instrument of faith. It is the authoritative language among Catholics. My point is that lots of reddit types talk a lot about actually using Latin until you point out that there’s literally millions of words being published yearly already, because they have a problem with Catholicism. Because it’s safe edgy, which is reddit.

Just because you may define your scope for Latin usage super narrowly to just reading a specific period of poetry/prose doesn’t mean the great works and authors of the middle ages and early modern age aren’t worth looking into, not to mention the great value in knowing Latin for historical work. Beyond that, we literally study the same classical texts to learn the core of the language and consider the same authors to be our model for latinity.

>>213680708
I don’t post Latin here regularly. When I memorize poetry, I write the text onto flashcards a few lines at a time and mark the meter above and below. I should mention I’m also fully capable of reading in Reconstructed. Then, I simply read with the meter memorized because it’s an invaluable mnemonic tool for recitation, and speak accordingly. Luckily a priest told me that was normal so I don’t have to worry if it baffles some faggot online that I can just lengthen/shorten the vowels when I want without being smote from on high by the latinity police.

>>213680649
>before that it was the vernacular of the northwestern retards while everybody else spoke Greek.
Kek. Not entirely untrue.

>>213680876
Guess you should pick up a copy of LLPSI and Wheelock’s and start going around the internet leaving hate comments on videos of Catholic schoolkids singing hymns.

>>213680775
Romans weren't the latest native speakers of Latin, retard. Learn the actual version of the language or don't learn it.
>>213680743
Yeah exactly and it's still the same language.

>>213635752
Just some silly normgroid shit, who cares

>>213680996
you are literally building all of this crap in your own head which nobody brought up, I won't tell you that you need to read Leibniz respecting phonemic vowel length and mimicking 100BC pronountiation, but in turn you don't get to tell me how muh priests muh tradition has anything whatsoever to tell me on how to read Cicero, their opinion on the matter ceteris paribus is as important as a turd in the streets of mumbai, to put it bluntly, since their tradition insofar as the language is concerned is out of convenience and habit, not a systematic study of the ancient language as initiated by the renaissance humanists

>>213681004
Imma go learn a little about reconstructed Tang pronunciation and start lecturing Chinese speakers on how to say idioms now.

>>213681004
we learn classical Latin, 100BC-200AD, it was spoken by Romans, natively, I seek to sound like them, cope, sneed and dilate about it if you got filtered by it

>>213680996
>I don’t post Latin here regularly. When I memorize poetry, I write the text onto flashcards a few lines at a time and mark the meter above and below. I should mention I’m also fully capable of reading in Reconstructed. Then, I simply read with the meter memorized because it’s an invaluable mnemonic tool for recitation, and speak accordingly. Luckily a priest told me that was normal so I don’t have to worry if it baffles some faggot online that I can just lengthen/shorten the vowels when I want without being smote from on high by the latinity police.
You said you read in meter with Ecclesiastical pronunciation
If you are reading it in Ecclesiastical then you aren't preserving the meter. Memorizing the meter while not reading it is not "reading in meter". If you are capable of reading it in both Classical and Ecclesiastical pronunciation, that does not mean you are reading in meter when you use Ecclesiastical. This shouldn't be hard to understand. Reading Classical poetry with Ecclesiastical pronunciation and reading Classical poetry with preserved meter are mutually exclusive.

>>213680969
There’s no such thing as French ideology though... French doesn’t have as much power anyways they’re basically the EU. Or ARTE, idk. Even their media isn’t as big as German news network. France has 0 influence except in Africa. I agree French people from French aren’t very nice if you’re from elsewhere, even if you’re native French. Think they’re better than anyone.
Germany and Poland go well together, there’s always been a huge migration of poles to Germany, my grandmother is literally this. That why there’s a lot of polish last names there. Too bad your class chose French. German movies, culture and art is better too, trust me

>>213681121
The Renaissance was in Italy and its writers spoke Latin with an Italianized pronunciation. Also they were Catholic regardless of their positions on clericalism. Plus, didn’t you just say everything after the classical period was worthless anyways? You’re simultaneously shitting on Catholicism, a 2000 year written intellectual tradition, as “just some priests” and then claiming Catholic authors lmao.

>>213681185
Did Leo die and the conclave elect you Pope or something?

>>213681158
Damn I bet you'll 41% yourself when you learn your beloved Romans considered passive homosexuals subhumans.

>>213681241
completely irrelevant reply ignoring the points made
the point is, having a long tradition of pronouncing a language with X system doesn't in any way shape or form inform you IPSO FACTO on how it was pronounced 1000+ years earlier, the way renaissance Italians knew Latin was indeed following the traditional way it had been transmitted from the early middle ages, yet they didn't say "welp, this is how Cicero spoke, let's not bother with philology", they themselves began, especially outside of Italy with Erasmus, to try and figure it out
ironically, blame them for being curious and excited about actual antiquity, unlike your kind

>>213681212
>There’s no such thing as French ideology though...
Liberty, equality, fraternity...
I just can't fathom how one can believe in egalitarianism and liberalism. These ideologies have failed France and every other nation that has adopted them, but the french will probably be the last to admit that and abandon them because that's what their nation is built on.

>>213681185
For the record, traditionalist seminaries all teach meter, meter was taught pre-V2 in seminaries broadly, and Jesuits historically learned meter centuries before RCP was ever even invented. But I guess that’s literally impossible because some faggot at Oxford didn’t give the Catholics permission to observe meter first.>>213681185

>>213681269
>"I read [poetry that uses phonemic vowel length to create metrical feet] while using [pronunciation that does not have phonemic vowel length]"
>starts rambling about the pope
Are you a schizo or something?

>>213679814
AAAHAAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAAHHAAA
SUPERBUM
AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHHAAAHAHAHHHAAGAHAHAHA

>>213681374
Based. Frogs are just a failed globohomo. Now they try to shill their language as traditional and prestigious but in fact it's just some globohomo newspeak.

>>213681379
>it is literally impossible to lengthen your vowels in according with the meter while still pronouncing the Vs as “v” instead of “w”.

>>213681368
You’re actually the one sperging out and bringing up irrelevant stuff. I learned both pronunciations. I started with Caesar, I memorized classical poetry extensively, etc. but yeah Catholics brains just shut off when we see a heckin classicist pronounce an A long.

>>213681374
Time for me to relearn French Revolution… idk a thing about France except they like to protest, idgaf especially because it’s my native language. I prefer other countries than France and the francophonie sphere

>>213681441
>Now they try to shill their language as traditional and prestigious but in fact it's just some globohomo newspeak.
Sounds a lot like Reconstructed pronunciation.

>>213681284
You don't even speak English.

>>213681441
UN or sub Saharan Africa (high population) : matters
Rest of the world : *cricket sounds*
That’s all you need to know.

>>213681449
my replies started with this giant mutt brainfart here >>213680489 , if that's not having a complex I don't know what it is
>yeah we learn a language's de facto standard as it existed in 100BC-200AD but don't you fucking dare try to sound like them otherwise you are le redditor le tranny le antichristian

>>213681520
You don't even speak ukrainian (because it's not a real language but mispronounced rural Russian).
>>213681511
Yes, this too. Also kinda like British English.

>>213681449
>>it is literally impossible to lengthen your vowels in according with the meter while still pronouncing the Vs as “v” instead of “w”.
If you lengthen the vowels then it is no longer the traditional Ecclesiastical (medieval) pronunciation. The determination of vowel quantity is a result of modern/pre-modern philology

>>213666307
He says, while fucking up the grammar, spelling, and the functions of the site in his typed post. Now that’s too funny!

>>213681591
>>213681620
If you don't respect the tradition, why the fuck do you even learn whatever? Read translations, they were written by scientists through science or something.

>>213677378
Antiquity was Greek. Medieval was Latin. Age of Exploration was Spanish and Frenc. Renaissance was French and Italian. Industrial was English, French and German. Space and Nuclear Age was English and Russian. AI Age is English and Mandarin.

Okay, by the end of this discussion (with me and the tradcath winning and the hohol and the two trannies losing), I'm more sure about learning Spanish instead of French but less sure about using British English instead of American English.

>>213681727
>Read translations
We aren't filtered by the basics like you, so we just read the originals

>>213680708
>Also if you're the anon who posts Latin here regularly, your posts are filled with mistakes, but I've been too nice to correct them
that anon isn't him, anon. that anon is me. hopefully the more i try to use the language the less shit i'll be at it. i'll move forward.

>>213681850
But if you read something by yourself you can misunderstand something because you're not a scientist while all the translations are made by real scientists using science. Reading translations is much more scientific sis, don't you love science?

>>213681987
see
>>213680363

>>213682194
But what about science sis?

>>213682194
many such cases

>>213682194
But what about science sis? You sound like some Catholic bigot now.

>>213682246
You're inherently opposed to the sciences of linguistics and philology? Maybe that's why you can't learn classical languages lol

I'm DABBLING

>>213682246
nta, i'm the one getting trvthnvked on their bad latin but when did knowing two languages make people scientists, and if they are, why aren't they fiddling with their abacuses?

all this started because the zigger got BTFO'd about Latin phonology btw
he got upset and now he's rambling about trannies

>>213682316
I simply can't understand how a person can be opposed to using the actual classical tradition yet still claim he needs to learn a classical language for some reason. You do realize that people are supposed to learn them because they value traditions? Otherwise you don't gain anything and that's just weird.

>>213681591
>yeah we learn a language's de facto standard as it existed in 100BC-200AD but don't you fucking dare try to sound like them otherwise you are le redditor le tranny le antichristian
I don’t have any issue with RP itself, it’s just that most of the shitflinging is one-sided. I find generally Catholic latin communities are very positive, enthusiastic, and supportive. There’s way more relatively normal people involved actually trying to engage in our tradition. Unfortunately many of my interactions within the RP sphere have been comparatively negative. The purpose of Latin for many seems to be some intellectual proxy for a dick-measuring contest.

I find Catholics to be based in the classics in their education, but open to the entire breadth of the Latin tradition. The only people expressly telling me everything after the silver age is “bad Latin” are non-Christian RP users. It is what it is.

>>213681620
The ecclesiastical pronunciation isn’t the “medieval” pronunciation. It’s just the traditional Italian pronunciation set as a standard in the past 150 years or so. Like I mentioned earlier, groups like the Jesuits were known to read poetry in meter centuries before modern philology. But your post states that this shouldn’t be possible somehow.

>>213682345
in Tamil, the oldest of all languages, I hope.

>>213682444
>I simply can't understand how a person can be opposed to using the actual classical tradition
I'm not, schizo. Tell me specifically what led you to believe this

>>213682501
Norwegian

>>213682399
I actually just came here to ask whether I should learn Spanish or French.
>>213682376
People who do translations not just know the languages, they have related degrees, sometimes several. It was a joke though.

>>213682571
Bokmål or Nynorsk?

>>213682616
Bokmal

>>213682567
You said one can't read the classics in the medieval pronunciation while people were reading it like that for a full millennium.

>>213681975
How dare you actually try to use the language instead of shit talking others while never posting.

>>213681987
It was actually impossible to read any of these texts until scientists translated them for us.

>>213682316
My value is to study and use it but not to become some ivory tower wannabe dweeb who can only engage with Latin via translation diagrams. For example, RP study is very much valuable. Philology is important. I learned RP alongside EP in my education. My EP is substantively better though because I actually use it and hear it.

At the end of the day. It’s our language. And you just have to deal with it.

>>213682467
>Jesuits were known to read poetry in meter centuries before modern philology
Classical philology is a very old discipline going back to the Renaissance humanists. "Philologist" and "clergy" were not mutually exclusive terms for much of history

>>213682676
>You said one can't read the classics in the medieval pronunciation while people were reading it like that for a full millennium.
I never said that. I said you miss the aesthetic value of classical poetry if you don't preserve vowel quantities in reading

>>213682868
Yeah and you can preserve vowel length while saying “V” and “Chi”

I was saying /ts/ and /ch/ btw.

>>213682689
>How dare you actually try to use the language instead of shit talking others while never posting.
domus mea est vitrum, sed petrās ad hominēs nōn mittō

>>213682934
Yeah, but not everyone would consider that "Ecclesiastical". It's a subjective assessment at this point unless we can find an official statement from the Church, but even then, it would become a prescriptivist vs descriptive debate surrounding the actual use of vowel length in liturgy
Wikipedia cites a "Roman Missal" for this, but there's no link to it and I'm too lazy to search for it
>The distinction in Classical Latin between long and short vowels is ignored, and instead of the 'macron' or 'apex', lines to mark the long vowel, an acute accent is used for stress. The first syllable of two-syllable words is stressed; in longer words, an acute accent is placed over the stressed vowel: adorémus 'let us adore'; Dómini 'of the Lord'.[14]

Did the /calg/ thread on /lit/ die btw?

Idk why but I’m curious to know if anyone learned a language and is still at a level A even after a year or more… ? So you’re still stuck at the basics let’s say

>>213678985
It connects all of us as Europeans. It's our tradition.

I learned today that Chinese has aspect even though it doesn't have tense. Pretty neat

Again I spent here three hours yet haven't even come closer to deciding whether I should choose Spanish or French. No wonder why the Pole and the Jordanian can't choose languages for so long.

>>213683709
…. French sounds better (phonology).
But Spanish has more speakers.
There you go.

>>213683212
No, it's still there
>>>/lit/24607199

>>213683800
It's more complex than this. French indeed does sound better, but it's less Romance and more Germanic. I also feel like it tries to be actually international like English but fails, while Spanish is way more regional in the beginning yet its only region is quite interesting: latinxes are still their own thing, while French only has the entirely same negroes English has plus a sort of unapproachable arabs whom English has too (pakis, also egypsies are proficient in it according to Wiki). I also consider Spain to be a better country than France, yet I like Switzerland (even though Röstigraben exists so maybe I won't ever need French there).
>>213683925
I wonder then why the classical languages are here now.

Question :

If you’re a non Anglo, do you honestly like your native language and if it wasn’t your native language, would you have learned it or absolutely not ?

>>213684322
Spain is culturally better although I can’t stand the S sound (Castilian or Spain), Latino Spanish is way better imo

>>213684387
No and no. Idk why anybody learns Slavic languages, there's zero appeal in them whatsoever.

>>213684422
I used to think otherwise about the S, but today I tried to read Spanish once again and I agree now. The plain S is both easier and more pleasant.

>>213684431
I’m surprised, sounds so interesting (only because of family), it just seems terribly hard to learn though :( Only RU makes sense because of demography, yet, a lot abandon learning it from what I heard and I can’t stand understand

>>213684497
Spanish people commonly have a different dental or jaw position specifically because of the way they pronounce it. Source : my father is a dentist, I just don’t know the terms he used/what it means. But yeah.. I can’t with Spanish from Spain. Maybe if you live there you get used to it.

>>213684521
Yeah. And if one wants a hard IE language with cases and all, he better learn Ancient Greek. And otherwise, there's really zero reasons: I relatively often meet people who learn it to visit Central Asia, but it's a very retarded reason.

>>213684387
>Do you like your native
Yes
>would you have learned it
It has little to no content that I am interested in, so no

>>213684431
I want to learn Russian so I can talk to chicks from Ukraine and Belarus. Russian shouldn't be too difficult for me to learn.

>>213684590
IIRC a lot of people in Spain uses the normal S too, mostly bilingual speakers of Basque and Catalan.

>>213684721
Ah yes, basically sex tourism is the most common reason. Yet I'm not at all sure whether they'd decline having sex with a foreigner if he only speaks English. I think not speaking Russian is rather a pro for Russian women.

>>213684832
I'm not going to Russia. I can speak with russian women if they're here and are pretty tho

>>213683709
Spanish.
Why? Because I'm learning it.

>>213684981
Ukrainians and Belarusians are just poor rural Russians. Idk why this fact causes so much seethe, I'm not even a zigger.
>>213684984
I mean ofc you learn it, it's the only somewhat useful language for an American. For a European such language is German.

>>213684322
>I wonder then why the classical languages are here now.
i post in lang because im filtered by the highbrow educated sort that populate clg, and frankly i just want to post in the language without being jumped upon by a well learned anon

>>213685085
I don't care about that whole debate. I was talking about nationalities. We get immigrants from Ukraine and Belarus, not Russia.

>>213685224
What I wanted to say is that you barely need to know their language to approach their women.

>>213680105
It's usually like that: classes on humanities profiles - French, classes on stem profiles - German (we have a similar class system to that in France or Japan, where we are assigned to a specific group regardless of the subject). Sometimes Spanish, Russian etc. but German and French are the most popular second foreign languages across the country.
>>213679335
Same, and now I'm a kind of Francophile
>>213682591
Spanish
>>213683709
I'm learning French. It seems a decent choice for the first Romance language
But I can cheat on French anytime with Japanese or some Germanic language when I decide to emigrate. Without emigration plans, I don't want to learn the local language if I don't know where I will go. French seems like a good choice as an additional language to English, even if I never visit France

>>213685264
I don't know. If you're with someone, you want to have meaningful conversations and communicate effectively. I'm not interested in one-night stands with sluts; for that, English would suffice.

>>213685341
>Francophile
Why exactly btw?
>Spanish
Why? I thought you'd be the person to shill French.
>French seems like a good choice as an additional language to English
Why? I feel like you can get in English everything you can get in French which is actually a rare case.

>>213685372
>talk to chicks from Ukraine and Belarus
>not interested in one-night stands with sluts
Heh ahem...

>>213685485
Yes, you need to start a conversation with someone if you want to potentially get into a relationship with them in the future.

>>213685117
But anon the only reason to learn Latin is so you can correct people’s cases online and tell them the Vulgate isn’t real Latin.

>>213684832
True, idgaf I’m not a man anyways. The only reason I would care to “understand” RU is because of Refbatch/Anna Matskevich(Internet personality) or because my father’s paternal side spoke it. Those aren’t very good reasons, it’s more emotional. I’m more into understanding than actually speaking/writing since that’s intense. I’m 50/50 for German as it’s a love and hate relationship with my mother. However I really love the sound of it compared to for ex Spanish or idk what

>>213685430
>Why exactly btw?
Idk, French has had a huge impact on the English language, and I am a contrarian by nature, so now I like English and French, which everyone hates. I also started to dislike German because Germany is often compared to France or to the rest of the world, often by pseudo-intellectuals or, on the contrary, by simpletons. If a German slips on a banana peel and falls on his butt, Poles will start smacking their buttocks on the ground. The French-speaking world seems like chaos similar to that of Latin America, a burning dumpster, but richer, older, more glamours, just a slightly different charm. And I can admire it from a distance if I want to. I also think that France, due to its nature of constant ferment, will be able to deal with any social or political challenges more quickly.
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>Why? I thought you'd be the person to shill French.
You seem to dislike the French world
>Why? I feel like you can get in English everything you can get in French which is actually a rare case.
Knowing French changes how people see you. French makes a similar impression around the world, and the whole world has a standardized set of views on French. Many people don't know English, but there's a good chance that they have some French loanwords in their language or simply speak a similar language. It also seems more difficult to learn

>>213685796
>it’s more emotional
Russian is the language of decay, oppression, depravity, and hopelessness. Basically Black Speech.

>>213685970
Yeah, if those are the best arguments for French available, it seems I better just choose Spanish as I intended. Thanks.
>changes how people see you
So does speaking British English I believe.

>>213685341
>and now I'm a kind of Francophile
Take it from the horse's mouth

>>213686105
Rational arguments for choosing a language other than for work or emigration are irrelevant (and therefore irrational)
>>213686182
They've always been drama queens. I don't want to learn an easy language just for the sake of learning an easy language. Especially while I still have the motivation of a novice.

So, hopefully, I can, at last, proceed with British English and Castilian and leave this place for good.

>>213686310
Why would you want to learn a language of people who don't even want to speak with you because you're not a native speaker?

Btw Former Spanish colonies copied the French model of state and while this is probably one of the main sources of their problems, it gave us the range of the Spanish language we know today, made French kind of prestigious even there and that's probably why LatAm is such a chaos similar to the French one

>>213686472
Most of the French speakers are FSL. Same with English and Americans and some Brits are allergic to different accents too but less honest about it because of the virtue signaling culture or some white guild, idk

>>213686532
>Most of the French speakers are FSL
Not an argument, that's in Africa, were talking about France.
>Same with English and Americans and some Brits are allergic to different accents too
Not true, if you're understandable they don't care.

>>213686012
Unfortunately now even more… but like I said, when it’s family oriented I somehow feel more attached, maybe ? Probably very normal to feel this way. None of my parents cared to learn me their language anyways, so I guess I’m seeking some type of … understanding, let’s say. Most ppl wouldn’t even care, somehow I do.

>>213686532
FSL : ofc, Africa is more French than French and it’s their second language. It’s used because they get to go to unis etc