>Gorbachev voluntarily agreed to deoccupy Eastern Germany and allowed Germany to unify
Imagine being such a retard and a sissy.

>>213755824 (OP)
>Guy sees his nation falling apart and tries to salvage what he can
>People mock him for it while praising a dumb south jerry like Hitler

>>213755824 (OP)
It makes sense. The USSR was completely fucked by that time. There was no way he could hold on to Germany.

I don't know why Russians try to scapegoat Gorbachev so hard, the USSR was literally dead in the water at that point and everyone knew it. If he ordered the army to do anything they would've just ignored him.

kek you make it sound like you had a choice. You can't have a tough guy act when your society is crumbling and falling apart. Gorbachev was appeasing westoids to acquire any sort of help he could get

>>213755824 (OP)
Truly the worst soviet leader
>>213756729
He was one the main reasons behind it's fall tho

>>213756760
USSR was a superpower

>>213756848
Your mom was A super power

>>213756824
>He was one the main reasons behind it's fall tho
The USSR was essentially bleeding out waiting to die since that senile retard Brezhnev. There wasn't anything anyone could do by the 1980's when Gorbachev took over.

>>213756848
Emphasis on was
The USSR was a shell of its former self by the time of the German Reunification

>>213756934
It was better what came after the same way Saddam Hussein was better than what came after.
These days the popular opinion is the USSR should not have been killed by that stupid retard Gorbachev the same Iraq should have been invaded by that cow boy hick W

>>213756973
>These days the popular opinion is the USSR should not have been killed by that stupid retard Gorbachev
The USSR was completely doomed by 1985 when Gorbachev came into power.

>>213757025
That's not an argument my friend

Why did he agree to that pizza hut commercial?

>>213757089
Retard, Gorbachev wasn't even the one who got Russia into Afghanistan. 20 years of economic mismanagement, ineffectual leadership, and geopolitical isolation weren't something anyone could've reversed.

>>213755824 (OP)
he got the guarantee that there won't be nato bases in the east germany
decent given the circumstances

>>213756780
>acquire any sort of help he could get
And the only help the country received was pieces of advise on how to implement shock therapy, lol. For some reason Yugoslavian economy wasn't in shambles and Yugoslavia only got destroyed thanks to the help separatists got from CIA. The same with the USSR: the economy wad alright, the only reason the USSR "collapsed" was the treason of the elites.

>>213756911
I think you're wrong. The chinese managed to overcome it's issues

>>213757156
>The chinese managed to overcome it's issues
China is a homogeneous ethnostate which solved its problems by just ending communism in favor of state capitalism. The USSR sprawled across extremely diverse religions and ethnic groups, most of whom hated each other, but hated the central government even more. Virtually every constituent Soviet Republic had like a 10% approval rating of the USSR by the mid 80's.

>>213757155
>Yugoslavia only got destroyed thanks to the help separatists got from CIA
Yugoslavia was destroyed because everyone who wasn't a Serb hated it, and once Tito died there was nothing left to hold it together.

>>213756973
>All those nations with totally different cultures must remain under a sovless totalitarian regime because... umn... just it, ok?

>>213755824 (OP)
>killed the USSR so he could star in a Pizza Hut commercial
Gorbachev was based, tankies stay seething

>>213757289
bro must be a big fan of friendship of peoples with caucasian and central asian republics

>>213757252
>China is a homogeneous ethnostate which solved its problems by just ending communism in favor of state capitalism.
So in other words, they changed nothing.

Also, why has nobody mentioned Yeltsin.

>>213757342
>Also, why has nobody mentioned Yeltsin.
People hate on him just because he was ahead of the curve in looting Russia for his own private gain.

>>213757252
>amerishart discussing things xe's clueless about

>>213757483
Pidor))

>>213757483
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Ukrainian_independence_referendum
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Latvian_independence_and_democracy_referendum
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Estonian_independence_referendum
tankiebro...

>>213755824 (OP)
>another country reminiscing over its failures for once

>>213757483
>Tajik parasites are more enthusiastic about the USSR than actual Russians are

>>213757519
I didn't ask for your name.

>>213757541
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Soviet_Union_referendum

>>213757541
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Armenian_independence_referendum

The USSR could only come into existence by force of arms at the hands of the party, once GorbaChad took away the monopoly of power from the communists in Moscow and handed it over to the 15 republics, it was only a matter of time.

>>213757575
We should have given independence independence to all the ussr republics except Ukraine and Belarus. That would have been the most balanced decision.

>>213757597
>>213757650
Too bad the Party hardliners chimped out and tried to overthrow the government, after that everyone was just completely done with the CPSU.

>>213757581
My name is carlos hernandez

Your name is misha pidorashka

We are not the same

>>213757749
No, your name is Pidar, you said ot yourself. XD

>be Gorbachov
>split his own country into 14 different countries
Why didn't you kill him? Why isn't he seen as a traitor? I have no link to Russia yet each time I see him I think "the guy that split his country into 14 different parts".

>>213757252
>China is a homogeneous ethnostate
Fat, greasy retarded hands wrote this.

>>213758009
>1 Gorillion CTRL+V chinks vs unstirred Eurasian melting pot