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Read the wiki:
https://4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_Wiki

Useful links:
>Free language‐learning book archive:
https://mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw
>Books on linguistics and language courses:
https://mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ
>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:
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>Torrents with more resources than you’ll ever need for 30 plus languages:
https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH
>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec
>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by family
https://theswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/
>/lang/ inpoot torrents
https://rentry.org/inpoot
>Refold Anki decks
https://rentry.org/refold

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Learn French

LEARNING FRENCH

>starting my yearly binge of OTGW
>Subtitle jumpscare out of nowhere
My PC is haunted by slavs

Learning Japanese and French
>>216374011
Under the milky light of something (of a moth?)

*month

Learn Korean.

LEARNING KOREAN

>Korea
Future Chinese clays

>>216374287
The song in English says something is led "by the milk-light of moon," so not far off. Sounds weird now that I'm thinking about it, would've added the definite article to "moon".

>>216374450
I wouldn't have guessed. But in fact, the month and the moon may be somehow related; Slavic languages tend to have many false friends between each other

Learning German.

>>216374634
>the month and the moon may be somehow related
Well, yeah. A month is about the time it takes for the moon to travel around the Earth and go through all it's phases.
I'd actually be surprised if there was a language that had their words for month and moon not be related

>>216374661
Vc e do Sul? Ta aprendendo Hunsrückisch?

Learning Japanese with some basic French on the side. Seems many other people have the same idea. 英語、日本語、フランス語、以外には知的な考えが不可能。ドイツ語も人によってかも。

What's the spookiest language?

>>216374735
It turned out that the Polish language is the odd one here. The Polish word for moon has the same root as prince and priest and used to means a ruler or chief, later a not crowned ruler, a child of the ruler etc.

jjabeoryeosseoyo — squeezed completely
jaryeogo haeyo — about to sleep / intend to sleep
chadeora — filled / kicked
jjaryeodaga — while about to squeeze
jagetji — will probably sleep
chaya haeyo — have to kick / fill
jane — you sleep
jjaya haeyo — must squeeze / be salty
chabeoryeosseoyo — kicked away / completely filled
jabeoryeosseoyo — ended up sleeping
charyeogo haeyo — about to kick / try to fill
jjaneunguna — you’re squeezing / it’s salty
jana bwayo — seems someone is sleeping
jjaneun jung-ieyo — in the middle of squeezing
jaryeodaga — while about to sleep
chaneunguna — it’s filling / kicking
jjana bwayo — seems it’s salty / being squeezed
jadeora — someone was sleeping
chana bwayo — seems it’s full / kicking
janeun jung-ieyo — in the middle of sleeping
charyeodaga — while about to kick
jaya haeyo — have to sleep
chaneun jung-ieyo — is filling / being kicked
janeunguna — you’re sleeping
chagetji — will probably fill / kick
jageura — sleep
jjageura — squeeze
chaleul geoyeyo — will kick
jalla — sleep then
chal sudo itda — can kick / be able to fill
jaman haji maseyo — don’t sleep
charyeossdeoni — after kicking / filling
jjal sudo eopseoyo — can’t squeeze / not salty
jaraneun ge — the act of sleeping
jjanikka geurae — because it’s salty so

>>216376020
You'll never be able to perfectly distinguish between ㅈ/ㅉ/ㅊ, and we KFLs won't expect you to either, so just give up.

I just realized that English also has an example for the separable/inseparable prefix distinction in German
to overthink something
to think something over

>>216376143
those mean two different things though ...

>>216376945
that's the point
it's the same difference as between umfahren and umfahren

I feel like talking to a native 1-on-1 blows the hell out of every other method in terms of gains per hour

>>216377488
how do you do it? been looking at italki and preply but really unsure how to do it.

>>216377667
there's native speakers where I live and I go harass them to talk to me

>>216377488
I can't even get natives from my own country to tall to me

why should i not learn spanish?
why should i not learn german?

spanish media is so good but i dont really connect with them as well as germans, theyve made great shows so idk

>>216378829
Any example of Spanish media that you like?
Also learning German rn

>get on helloTalk/tandem/etc
>just going there to improve my languages
>get unsolicited messages from beautiful asian girls calling me pet names
>wtf
>assume they're bots/scammers
>check their ig, talk to them, they're actually fucking real

wtf learning korean/japanese to get girls wasn't a fucking meme after all I thought people were exaggerating

Can someone share a vocab german deck with around 10k+ words with audio? Can't make my own and need to start now

>>216375177
Hadzane

>>216379876
Check Refold's deck. I wish there was a Refold Arabic deck...

Bought a Pléiade set of Maupassant to continue my Maupassant read through into 2026, feels good

Daily reminder never to learn French

Now not sure about French. We share a border with Germany and I do like mostly old French stuff. Italian or Spanish seems easier and these are cheaper countries to visit. Don't regret starting Japanese though, I just can't think how much time I wasted not learning it

>>216379454
Go to Korea, download some shit like Noondate, and look at your matches in a couple of days. Shit's fire, and I'm not even that good looking. Didn't really like the country itself (not Seoul, at the very least), so I don't see a reason to aim for TOPIK 5/6 (not now, at least), but it might be worth it just for the women.

>>216378829
>why should i not learn spanish?
sounds annoying
>why should i not learn german?
sounds annoying + most retarded grammar ever

>>216373716
*Old French
https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/La_Chanson_de_Roland/Léon_Gautier/Édition_critique

>>216381495
I've read it in translation and it's honestly just not very good
At times it's laughable and in general it's extremely juvenile
I'm not a fan

>>216381730
Sounds a lot like the Canterbury tales. If I remember correctly there's one which is all about farting.

>>216381758
Nah it's not juvenile in that sense
The problem is that the Muslims are presented in a more ludicrous and one dimensional way than a typical kid's cartoon villain would be
The Christians just keep on killing Muslims who are all cowards who act in extremely treacherous and scheming ways

>>216381730
I like it because it's easily the most fameous piece of Old French literature and it's fun seeingall these smoll changes make OF and modern French sp similiar yet so different. For example: OF case system, vestigal yet it makes difference. Or the way 'qui' was spellt - 'ki',which made a comeback in French internet lingo.

>>216381495
>>216381730
>>216383259
What are some interesting medieval writings? There's apparently something like a diary of like a 14th century Parisian merchant floating around that could be cool to read either in translation or as a reason to motivate me to learn middle/old French.
I like folklore and slice of life kinda stuff

I live in central Appalachia in a very rural community in southern West Virginia. Everyone here only speaks English. Is it still worth it to learn a "useful" language like Spanish or Chinese despite the fact that I'll probably never encounter any Latinos or Chinese people?

>>216384546
Learn what you like then. In Poland, apart from English, of course, German is the most practical language, even when living far from the German border, but Germany is a European powerhouse, our main trading partner and the main player in the European Union. I'm not sure about usefulness of Spanish in the US

>>216384881
I think Spanish can be useful since it's really the only language that has a strong presence across the USA other than English, but I think outside of places like Florida and Texas it's rare to encounter on a daily basis.

Personally I'm really interested in the Celtic and Scandinavian languages, but they seem like something I would have very little opportunity to practice.

>>216385069
Same with Russian here. Still, it's worth to learn only if you like it and you want to please migrants

>>216385069
I am also interested in Scandinavian languages, but I don't really see a point in learning them unless I know for certain that I would want to move to one of the nations.
This seems to be the recurring notion I have with all languages I am curious about.
I think I need to travel more before I cure my dabbling.

>>216385291
> but I don't really see a point in learning them unless I know for certain that I would want to move to one of the nations.

I feel the same way. I really like the way Danish looks and sounds, the funny unique consonants appeal to me, but I feel like I would lose it as quickly as I learn it because Danes are all proficient in English and are lacking in inpoot material. A language like Irish or Welsh is even more difficult to maintain because their own native populations barely use the respective languages, so it would be a nightmare to keep up with.

Fuck! Now I want to quit French and learn German or Italian, because I'm already learning Japanese purely as a hobby, and I'd rather speak German or Italian than French. Or Dutch or a Scandinavian language and emigrate asap for full immersion. France is too expensive for me for vacations and doesn't pay well enough to migrate there without plan
>>216385335
There's a small Welsh renaissance now I think. Also just migrate there. Swedish people loves the US and american rural culture

>>216385335
>>216385566
South Wales has signs (i.e. road signs, aisles in shops, etc) in Welsh, but most of the people there pretty much only speak English.
Its mostly only Northern Wales where the Welsh nationalists are that really care about Welsh.

>>216385795
I was more concerned about the fact that Welsh appears in learning apps, I also saw some materials and programs on YouTube. But maybe it just seemed to me that it was a large scale thing

>>216385895
Language autists spreading their niche obsession online does not mirror the real world
Otherwise there would be Esperanto, toki pona, and lojban speakers everywhere

Can someone here list le all of the languages spoke in Europe so that I can put them in a random generator site ?
Baltic/indo-european/finnic etc. No need to put irish/scottish/maltese or very small languages. Thanks

>>216386427
English or English. All you need in 2025.

>>216386504
Yeah but I’m a language learning fan so it doesn’t apply to me

>>216386522
Arabic then

>>216386522
Maybe I should wait for Serbian Bro, he could find me a language to learn for sure . Stopped learning German so I’m re starting my game now

>>216386838
Not interested

>>216386923
In the future, they will be the only two languages spoken in Europe

>>216387240
Grim

>>216387240
Yes but it’s not historically the language spoken there (native), it’s foreign in Europe / difference. It’s like English and English American and Spanish

>>216387853
ESL?

>>216387881
I said learning arabic is like wanting to learn English or Spanish in Amerca : both are non native so foreign languages. So why would I want to learn Arabic ?

>>216375177
probably sumerian. maybe latin? i'd honestly give it to hindi

Which language has more aura? Russian or French?

>>216389526
Imagine person trying to rob you in french vs russian. Theres your answer

>>216390060
they are both black

>>216389526
russian>french
i want a guy talking russian to me when its cold
i want a guy talking french to me when its spring or summer

>>216384546
I think language learning is good for your brain and developing into a well-rounded and educated person. Being monolingual just feels 'peasant' as fuck to me. So if you, like many, have no real 'practical' languages to learn, I think you should just learn whichever is the most interesting to you.

>is it worth it?
No, you can't look at this as being worth it. It has to be a pursuit that you're interested in, otherwise you're not going to stick with it long enough to actually build any real ability with the language. So what are good options for Americans that live in an area without a lot of Spanish speakers?

>Spanish
Never know when you'll want to travel to a different state where it might come in more handy. And English + Spanish gives you access to almost all of the western hemisphere. Brazil and rural Quebec are the only major chunks you might struggle in. Spanish has a ton of native speakers and lots of interesting content.

>French
France is a dying country, but it was relevant long enough that it has a ton of interesting content. Also, if you can speak French you can have a lot of fun visiting Quebec. Quebec is an underrated vacation destination, imo. Much safer and more convenient than most of Latin America. Tons of outdoors shit to do. Quebec City is beautiful and Montreal is interesting if you want to check out a 'big city' that is a little different than most of North America. French is also quite useful if you want to visit Europe. Between English and French you should be good to go for most of western Europe.

>>216389526
French. Unless you want off-putting aura.

What are some cute Russian phrases I can say to a woman?

>>216392264
Ecли ты зaкpичишь, этo изнacилoвaниe пpeвpaтитcя в yбийcтвo.

>>216392049
NTA but totally agree. After I'm better at JP I plan on focusing on French and then leverage it into Spanish. The English-French-Spanish trio unlocks most of the Americas, most of western Europe, a large part of Africa, and can get you quite far in other places if you stick to big metropolitan cities. Considering how easy they are to learn for English speakers, they are more than worth it.

Matt vs Japan says reading will fuck up pronunciation because of subvocalization. So Does Pablo from Dreaming Spanish. Are they right or am I nerfing myself speed of acquisition by not reading?

>>216393396
It seems to me like the average learner just doesn't listen enough, which gives people this impression that reading is bad until you reach a certain level.
It's probably fine as long as you listen sufficiently. But idk.
Where did MattvJapan say that?

>>216393396
u gotta read. reading is like a cheat code for acquisition. but if you're beginner~intermediate level, it's important to listen to TONS of verbal input so your ear gets used to the sounds/pronunciation/flow of TL. only reading, without any other form of input, will certainly fuck up your pronunciation.
but you gotta be reading. even for native speakers-- think of americans that haven't read a single book since high school. small vocabulary, low verbal IQ, weak speech, even though they're "native" speakers

This whole time it was genetically predetermined....

I think I am gonna learn Italian. Italian bitches so fine bros...

>>216393396
Listen to 1000 hours of your TL (native content) and then you can start reading

>>216393396
unless you're a turbo-weeb who is obsessed with having absolute perfect pronunciation and idiomatic speech (not that it will help you fit in anyways since youre visibly a foreigner) just forget about it and do whatever is most fun and/or time-efficient. If you follow matt vs japan's shitty language learning guidelines it will take you years and eat up your whole life to learn the language

t. was influenced by matt vs japan, spam listened to uncomprehensible native content all day, progress was, of course, glacially slow, don't fucking bother.
Either just talk 1-on-1 with natives or consume material you like and where you understand most of what is being said (either due to material design or due to word-lookup, either way is fine). These are simultaneously the most fun and effective ways to learn the language.

>>216384090
Well it's not French but the Old Icelandic corpus is extremely interesting
My favourite is the Sagas of Icelanders
I highly recommend reading some

NOOOOO

>listen to random b2 material on lingq while looking up words in transcript
>listen to it later without transcript, remember maybe 40% of the words and phrases I looked up

>listen to asian-celebrity-waifu on weverse, look up unknown words (also around b2)
>listen to it again later without transcript
>remember literally 100% of everything and understand the entire thing perfectly

cute asian girls are the hack to rapid language learning

prepositions are the hardest in every language
they are used so differently in every one, and in unexpected ways

>>216398573
You're apparently supposed to listen to cute girls use them >>216398573

>>216393396
I learn languages for literature and so I don't really care, my pronunciation doesn't matter but I do try to aim to have a consistent pronunciation using IPA
I think Matt vs Japan is probably right but reading definitely is the fastest way to acquire grammar and vocabulary

>>216393396
This is a hypothesis that comes out of the Thai ALG school. They never did a formal study on it and nobody did a study to disprove it so nobody knows.
What we know is that most L2 learners never attain native like pronunciation. A small minority do but there's nothing obvious that they are doing different and it could be just down to individual differences (i.e. they are just better).
The risks with pronunciation are overstated, however. Consider all of us european ESLs, we all study english formally first, by reading and writing it, if you're ok with the average ESL pronunciation of english you can still get there.

Reading is a really easy way to find comprehensible input and learn a lot of vocabulary, foregoing that for a shot at better pronunciation (that you aren't even guaranteed) is, IMHO, not a good tradeoff.

>>216399627
>Reading is a really easy way to find comprehensible input
What if you read everything wrong?

>>216399627
iirc a study came out last year that reading does interfere with pronunciation. they had a bunch of people listen to video content with no subtitles vs with TL subtitles, the ones without subtitles had a better grasp of the phonetics

but no subtitles = no word lookup, can only learn words via inference = very slow progression. so it's not worth it unless you're obsessive

>>216399814
Well assuming you know every word in a text or have searched up every word in a text then I think it's pretty much impossible to read it all wrong unless it's a very short text, like an aphorism
I rely on knowing when I've read a sentence wrong because it makes no sense in the broader narrative, that's a signal to go back and double check certain words to see whether I'm missing a phrase or a meaning I wasn't aware of
>>216400124
That could also be explained by people getting tricked by the orthography

>>216400214
Maybe you can read things in the latin alphabet better and precisely, but what if you're reading the arabic alphabet? That's what I'm gonna do and I'm just inpooooooooooooping words by listening. When I start reading, I know it'll be pain in the ass. Cause studying Russian was the same for me. Knowing the stress determines everything when it comes to reading, and it's sometimes so fucking hard to guess how to pronounce a given word right.

>>216400124
You can look up words without subtitles if your TL spells things consistently

>>216400124
that's why you just read the scientific literature about your TL's phonetics. learning all the phonemes and allophones saves you time spent on figuring it out yourself.

>>216393396
Its fine as long as you get audio input too sometimes, especially for a language with weird pronunciation like French. Reading is really OP for getting vocab.

>>216397122
>>216398677
>>216399814
This is why visual novels are God-tier input. You get the benefits of reading + you get images to help with context and the lines are often voiced. Its also great to watch shows, movies, anime, etc with TL subs and eventually wean yourself them.

>>216398598
>>216398391
I need some cute Spanish speaking girl reccs then

up

>>216393396
Hell, I do this with English and it's my native language. There's so many words I pronounce incorrectly when I actually say them outloud for the first time because I've only ever read them

Which endangered language is easiest to learn?

Bulgarian, Croatian, Czech, Danish, Dutch, English, Estonian, Finnish, French, German, Greek, Hungarian, Irish,
> which one anons ?
Italian, Latvian, Lithuanian, Maltese, Polish, Portuguese, Romanian, Slovak, Slovenian, Spanish and Swedish.

>>216405469
Well, you can't pick mine because you'll be confused with me, so I'm going to go with Hungarian. We need a Hungarian language autist here for reasons I can't disclose at the moment.

im learning spanish

>>216405514
Is it so you can larp as someone in the Austro-Hungarian Empire? I can't imagine why else someone would bother with Hungarian, and larp is always the most valid reason to do anything.

>>216405514
I love the lang, there’s also Finnish too

18 cases : is 26 years old too old to start Magyar ? :(

I'm so full of pasta, hopefully I can still study.

Any good beginner friendly series or documentaries in Spanish? Latam preferred. I'm not sure what level I should be at. I did the refold 1k deck but I haven't gotten as much CI as I probably should have I was focusing mainly on Anki.

>>216407318
I'm watching this one right now https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3RJyqX5zpy6mH_eHEabx9V2D6QZQl79V&si=El6DoKsoo5OlT6Ql

>>216374313
I am very tempted

Man.
It really is cringe to tell people your learning Japanese. No other language has this problem. Any other language its only viewed as a good thing that your learning something. You mention Japanese and everyone cringes

>>216407507
Nice English, Chang

>>216406647
Just think of them as postpositions

>>216407507
Korean is rapidly getting there too if that makes you feel better

>>216407507
From what I've heard from other anons from other countries this is really only a problem in America. Everywhere else people just think of it like any other language. Maybe they were lying to me though.
Whatever the case I don't tell anyone I'm learning Jap. And if I ever get "caught" I'm gonna say it's Chinese since people can't tell the difference and it carries less of a stigma.

>>216407599
Ok, let’s just hope I can manage :3 wish me luck I guess

>>216407778
Its nihilism. People want to seem like they are open-minded and curious of other cultures but in reality they are disgusted by anyone who tries to learn from successful cultures because it highlights how far their own has fallen. You are only allowed to appreciate cultures they secretly deem inferior enough to deserve their suicidal sympathy, like Palestinians, Ukrainians, Mexicans, etc. Its funny because those cultures have their own cool stuff too but the types of people who shame others for learning languages only worship self-destruction and apathy.

languatalk is pretty good
what is a good one for speaking with people?

>>216406105
Speaking, reading or otherwise using a foreign language other than your own is inherently a LARP. It's people who deny this who have dubious reasons to learn it and don't last long anyway.

krashen was right about everything I should have never doubted krashen

>>216407778
What if someone catches you on the lie? Or do ordinary burgers never notice that Japanese is the one with cute squiggles?

>>216398598
it's actually unreal how much faster I learn with it than other material

in high school spanish over 10 years ago now we had a weird exercise where the textbook had some horoscopes about different eye colours and the teacher would ask us to do oral exercises like using textbook content to describe someone else or talk while addressing another classmate
the girl who was assigned to describe my eyes was apparently baffled about my special snowflake eye colour, but anyway the teacher told her to just describe them as blue, and she read the horoscope/personality type associated with blue eyes, and the class was pissing themselves laughing, even the teacher laughed, because it said i was "talkative and outgoing" or something like that

>>216409173
In my experience the average person couldn't tell you the difference between Korean, Japanese, or Chinese. Obviously falls apart if they're a weeb or a kpop fan, but most people aren't.
It takes like 3 seconds for someone to find out "japanese has cute squiggles, korean has circles, and chinese is all square-ish pictures" but most people never have a reason to learn so they never do.
The way I figure it is if someone catches me on the lie, then chances are they're either a weeb or kpop fan, and I don't mind if they find out because they're not gonna think it's too weird.

>>216409512
just have some pride and say youre learning japanese

>>216409512
I don't think people are actually this stupid.

is chinese declining like japanese?

Current languages I want to learn:
1. French,
2. Japanese,
3. Italian,
4. Dutch,
5. Spanish,
6. German,
7. Norwegian,
8. Russian,
9. Slovak.
More or less in that order. Learning French and Japanese rn. Lucas from French Comprehensible Input and that Quebec girl from Dreaming French seem like cool people. Do you recommend any other youtubers?
>>216407507
>>216407778
Who cares? Americans are weird. On the one hand, they can leave the house dressed like kindergarten kids, but on the other, they're embarrassed to learn languages. If you're afraid of being a typical weeb, just don't be one