Thread 216424635

DJT is a language learning thread for those studying the Japanese language.
Japanese speakers learning English are welcome, too.

Read the guide linked below before asking how to learn Japanese:
https://web.archive.org/web/20220326112058/https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/learn/guide.html
Grammar references: https://djtguide.github.io/grammar/grammarmain.html

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Previous Thread: >>216279786

you show up just to make your kpop op?

Was changing 餌 and 餅 really such a priority compared to all the other kanji inconsistencies? They aren't even easier to write, have the same number of strokes, and I'd say they're probably more confusing now than before since they don't align with all the other eating kanji

>>216424957
>unable to tell K from J

>>216425513
If you're talking about the 偏: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_184#Variant_forms
>and 飠is 1 less stroke than 𩙿

臨風杪秋樹
對酒長年人
醉貌如霜葉
雖紅不是春

Late autumn tree braced against the wind,
And aged man close to his cup does cling
His drunken face we liken to the leaves,
Reddened now, but far from in their spring

Is it true that you only hold hands with your true love in Japan and no one else?

I'm asking this because in Latin America you pretty much hold hands with everyone

ビミョー

a

Why are you learning Japanese?

今日も完敗

Sometimes I feel like maybe if i just go ro sleep I'll wake up and be a new person but I know that I never will be

>>216432988
dubs
because I'm already in too deep

>「かおる」という言葉がありますが、漢字で表した場合、「香る」「薫る」などが思い浮かぶと思います。ではそれぞれにはどのような意味があり、どう違うのかを考えていきたいと思います。
>「香る」は、「よいにおいがする」という意味で使われます。「花が香る」「スパイスが香るカレー」という使い方をします。
>「薫る」も、「よいにおいがする」という意味で使われますが、主に比喩的・抽象的な場合に用いられます。「風薫る季節」「歴史と文化が薫る街」という使い方をします。
>このように読みは同じですが、異なる漢字のものを同訓異義といいます。このほかにも「馨る」などもあります。馨るは「よいにおいがする」「良い評判などが広がる」という意です。

>>216432988
美しくて興味深い言語だ

I'm so sorry
I'm so sorry to everyone

あたし心細いの

今日は皆が悲しんでるなー
そういうもん
わかる

あたし高身長のスケベゴスにしか元気づけられない体質なの

お経が登場するアニメ見つけちゃった (ﾟ∀ﾟ)

宇宙天地 與我力量 降伏群魔 迎来曙光 吾人左手 所封百鬼 尊我号令

只在此刻 天地混沌 乾坤蒼范 人世蒙塵 鬼怪猖狂 天空海闊 鬼面仏心

鬼哭啾啾 霊感散消

(うちゅうてんち よがりきりょう こうふくぐんま ごうらいしょこう

ごじんさしゅ しょほうひゃっき そんがごうれい こうざいひこく

てんちこんとん けんこんそうぼう じんせいそもうじん きかいこうきょう

てんくうかいかつ きめんぶっしん きこくしゅうしゅう れいかんさんしょう)

地雷系もOKです

>>216435524
>>216436796

give me back my body

>>216439084
I've already eaten it (´~｀)ﾓｸﾞﾓｸﾞ

>>216439131
too scary! Xc

觀世音菩薩摩訶薩 威神之力 巍巍如是
若有眾生 多於淫欲 常念恭敬 觀世音菩薩 便得離欲
若多瞋恚 常念恭敬 觀世音菩薩 便得離瞋
若多愚癡 常念恭敬 觀世音菩薩 便得離癡
無盡意 觀世音菩薩 有如是等大威神力 多所饒益
是故眾生 常應心念

a

age

>>216424635 (OP)
ブス

スプー

>>216442398
黙れ小童

>>216442842
画伯

昨日、古畑任三郎全シリーズを見終わったので勧められた「キュア」という映画を見てみようと思ったんだけど気味悪すぎるから出来なかった(￣▽￣;)
明日は他の薦められたドラマを見ようと思うm(_ _)m

the obnoxious background music everyone has on loop nonstop is by far the biggest challenge of immersing

>>216424635 (OP)
Hello lads, I now can get grammar points, but remembering them or specially being sharp to the point you can use on daily conversation (in various such situations).
Whats a good anki template for memorizing such grammar point in different phrases, or alternatively a good deck with plenty of them already?

>>216445933
>Whats a good anki template for memorizing such grammar point in different phrases, or alternatively a good deck with plenty of them already?
There was https://dojgdeck.neocities.org/ but the link is broken now.
I never used any grammar deck but I'm learning just fine, just immerse a lot (ﾟ∀ﾟ)
You can check anything in https://dojglite.github.io/main/ but I greatly recommend to just search any expression you don't understand in the「○○とは」format and read about them in the first results you get, if you can read the explanations (usually they're aimed towards foreigners so they're not very hard)

>>216432988
I want Japanese gf

I need you, mexicana? ;3

>>216446354
The problem is not understanding, but memorizing and used to them in various sentences, so I can use on a whim when I need to.
(por sinal brasileiro vivendo no japão)

今日も死にたい

>>216446729
Trust me anon, you'll only really be able to use it when you acquire it, not when you memorize it. Misusing anki and thinking that using it would be better than just actually trying hard and reading/watching/listening has wasted many hours of my time, and I wish someone had warned me about that before.
Don't know if you're a beginner or how you're learning Japanese, but I'll tell you it's very painful at first, I know, but it's the only way.
>t. comfy raw anime watcher
>(por sinal brasileiro vivendo no japão)
ｷﾀ━━━━(ﾟ∀ﾟ)━━━━!!

>>216447030
Just to be clear, I do still use anki, but I try my best to keep it just as a complimentary thing.
And every time I reached some kind of milestone (10, 20 animes with Japanese subs watched, done reading a short VN, things like that) I would notice a lot of improvement in my output.

>>216444381
ちなみにどのサイトでドラマが見えるの? この前勧めらたドラマ試してみたいなって思ったんだけどどうやって見ればいいかわからん (*´ω｀*)

we are acting a drama irl _(:3」∠)_

>>216425513
>餌 and 餅
えさ(餌)ともち(餅)はまるで印象が違う漢字に見えますね

両方とも割と日常で使われる漢字だからな。それら2つの漢字の成り立ちとかオレは知らんけど

>>216434968
>「香る」「薫る」
香水の香る、コーヒーの香りとか、日常のイメージ

薫製の薫る、「文化の薫り」とか文語で使われるイメージ

かな
薫く

>>216448212
>_(:3」∠)_
ズコーっ

>>216449506
From what I understand they got simplified

>>216450480
あーなるほど。理解しました。

そのBEFOREとNOWの変形に僕はあまり気が付いてなかったw そこについてあまり気にしてないですw

>>216447030
I'm aware anon, but you must understand, some grammar points are used as frequently in all types of media, some aren't used that much in conversations (specially when they talking to foreigners they tend to keep it simple).
That's exactly why I want something I can cram in as much different phrases for same usage, to get used to the different usages.
I can't tell you how much I got lost in conversation just because they used a grammar point in a slightly different way, it may sound stupid just having to stop and thinking about it is already a hiccup.
And believe me, I'm living in Japan brother, luckily been having lots of opportunities to talk nihonjins, and I've improved dramatically over the past months.

But still, I want still take to next level (also JLPT coming next month, so...)

>>216434506
>>216434968
>>216446564
Good reasons

>>216450480
Your understanding is wrong

>>216451216
Then why are they different in some fonts but are the same as 飲 飢 館 in others

>>216451389
>>216426485, the 飠version of them is 許容字体 and common in handwriting too

for me it's 晩 and 晚 (completely different)

今日オプション取引から41ドルを稼いだ
三週間で204ドルを稼いだ!

晚秋閒居
晩秋ニ間居ス

地僻門深少送迎
披衣閑坐養幽情
秋庭不掃攜藤杖
閑蹋梧桐黃葉行

地、僻ニシテ、門モ深ク、送迎ヲ少ナクスレバ
衣ヲ披イテ、閑カニ坐リ、幽情ヲ養フ
秋庭ハ掃ハズ、藤杖ヲ携ハリ
梧桐ノ黃葉ヲ、閑カニ蹋ンデ行ク

For someone wanting to consume shows and random content, would it be better to go with a dedicated service like jme or get a VPN and watch regional stuff on pre existing services like Netflix and amazon? Obviously a VPN comes with a lot of benefits but I figured I'd ask anyway

>>216453721
With a Japanese VPN you could watch a lot of stuff on tver.jp

https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm45588378
なんだこれは
たまげたなぁ・・・

>>216450791
>I can't tell you how much I got lost in conversation just because they used a grammar point in a slightly different way, it may sound stupid just having to stop and thinking about it is already a hiccup.
In my experience, I only started to fix that when I began reading more. When I started to read a bunch, then "rare" grammar points and vocab aren't going to be as rare, and if they still are rare, then they're probably not important anyway. Plus my listening skills got better too for some reason.
>That's exactly why I want something I can cram in as much different phrases for same usage, to get used to the different usages.
You could do this by simply mining sentence cards (I used the card creation guide on learnjapanese.moe), no need to make pre-made decks IMO. I was really into sentence cards a while back, but nowadays I'm gravitating towards making vocab cards only.
I never went to Japan myself and I don't know what level you are exactly nor when you'll be leaving, but I can assure you it would be best if you made friends with someone that is willing to talk to you all the time and correct you (I'm assuming most Japanese people IRL act exactly like they are in VRChat, usually pretending that your grammar and wording are correct and that they're understanding everything you're saying). If you're on limited time then I guess much less reading and more social interactions. Unless you're outside all the time and are a huge 陽キャ, consider joining VRChat when you aren't already chatting with someone, plus it's easier to make friends there, I'd say. You could even do オフ会 with people you meet there.
Anyways, that Anki deck I showed you was probably what you were looking for, but I don't have a clue how to find it after the site went down (;´д｀)トホホ
>But still, I want still take to next level (also JLPT coming next month, so...)
ファイト、オー (ΦωΦ)
Which level are you taking?

a

>>216447369
公式的にはどのドラマによってたくさんストリーミングサービスがあるのでドラマのタイトルを検索してみたら、サービスが見つかると思う
ストリーミングサービスを使えないならnyaa/1337xで見える

あげ

>>216459773
>nyaa/1337x
うわあ俺は馬鹿だね
最初からこのサイトで検索すればよかったに決まってるんじゃん
ありがとうね~

Ankみたいになってんな

これもうAnkiマスコットキャラでしょ! (^_^;)

地震情報

>>216465446
字幕テロヒドス(´;ω;｀)
https://dic.nicovideo.jp/t/a/%E5%AD%97%E5%B9%95%E3%83%86%E3%83%AD

>>216456334
>Which level are you taking?
N3, I'm actually living here as a 日本語学校の学生, but don't intend to go back.
>would be best if you made friends with someone that is willing to talk to you all the time and correct you
I get that, and I agree, I think I have that someone and on the way making her my girlfriend.
>but I don't have a clue how to find it after the site went down
Nothing like that on the anki library decks?

>>216465742
>Nothing like that on the anki library decks?
https://web.archive.org/web/20250808061644/https://core6000.neocities.org/dojg/
https://web.archive.org/web/20250819191456/https://dojgdeck.neocities.org/
言っとくけど全てのカードを習得しても練習しないと使えない

ん〜、むしろ使いたいフレーズをいかにさりげなくブチ込むかでしょう今泉くん
知らんけど( ˘ω˘)

>>216465849
因みに習得しても全ての文法をわかるとは限らない、色んな使い方があるし
毎日一日中に日本語に没頭したら少しずつわかるようになると思う
何と言ってもそれが目的でしょう?ウィンウィン

>>216465900
>今泉くん
笑、ていうかどうやって刑事の部下になった?何にも役に立てなかった!面白かったけど

GTOタイム!好きになれそうなドラマ、怖くないし

>>216465849
oh nice, the mega link still works

https://mega.nz/#F!2g5gHISQ!RIYvs3pHnsX1ibK3yBRvxQ
btw
>>216456334

Do you guys practice the kanji stroke order to memorize the characters? Or is there a better and simple way to memorize kanji?

>>216466804
I cant even write all the kana, you can combine an rtk deck (kanji front / vague meaning back) with a core vocab deck like kaishi and then just mine words and "learn kanji" through them

( •ω•ฅ)*にゃん

暴走族くんの子猫にゃん

>>216467087
うそだ。I don't believe you

あんたならどうすんの?

私だったら、何もしてなくていいなりになれて殴られる

>>216468423
言いなりになって*

>>216468406
No really, I can't.

>>216447030
> Misusing anki and thinking that using it would be better than just actually trying hard and reading/watching/listening has wasted many hours of my time
What exactly do you mean?
Right now in my journey, I learned Hiragana/Katakana, and know about 40 vocabulary. What do I do next?
I tried listening Japanese streams and a few episodes of anime, but it feels pointless because 99% of it I dont get. Its super rare I catch a word I know, and I dont know whats being talked about at all.

People say to grind out Anki, but like you said, the raw memorizing with no emotional connection or practical use is absolutely dreadful for me. The Kaishi 1.5K deck was trying to teach me “This”, “That” “Over there” “this one” “That one”.
It was so incredibly boring and confusing trying to learn all these similar terms. I did end up learning a few, but its only because I had to use those same words in Duolingo (I know I know, I just use it on the side)

Anki is only effective on me when I grind out Anki and then also happen to need to use said words somewhere else. But Anki alone, seems to not be working for me.

Same with the Japanese months. I was trying to learn the months in Japanese on Anki, didnt learn anything. And then it just so happens, my Japanese tutor teaches me the months. She first teaches me 1-10, and which are the building blocks for learning the months since its just number+month. Learning it this way made it actually stick. I dont think Anki helped at all.

Anyway, point is, you say you can only use Anki as a supplement. And I should be reading/playing/watching Japanese media in Japanese. But how do I do that if I don’t know anything? I was told to do Anki first and then immerse. I don’t know if the solution is I need to go into the Anki trenches hardcore first before I can immerse. I can really only handle ~30 min of Anki a day, its so incredibly boring. But if I have to increase that and just suck it up to progress, I will.

>>216468823
My suggestion is listen to some easier stuff for learners, and listen more than once (I used nihongo con teppei essential and beginners for this)
Also read really basic stuff, with dictionary lookups at the end, for this I used the tadoku free books
As you say it's much harder to memorise the words when you have zero context for their usage

あげちん

どうすっかなあ

仕事紹介してくださいよ

>>216472403
小学校教師になったら?

>>216472730
やだよ
大した収入もないし四六時中クソガキ共に付きっ切り、地獄だよ

>>216472913
運び屋が大儲かるそうだ、ガキどもが絶対に死ぬからそいつら問題ない
危なくて腐った人間の死事だけど

>>216472403
外国人観光客相手にエスコートサービスやな

>>216472913
>クソガキ共
じゃ、わからせればいいだけじゃん

How exactly do you guys "study"?
I went through most of my school years never really developing any kind of study habits and just kinda coasted on last-minute cramming.

I'm trying to do a bit of Bunpro and Wanikani every day, but I feel like that's definitely not "enough" if I wanna get anywhere anytime soon and start communicating with the japanese on twitter or in vrchat.
That said, Bunpro and Wanikani definitely feel better than Duolingo. But I can't shake the feeling that they're still gamified apps and not a "real" learning tool, if that makes sense.

>クソガキ談義
ぼくもまーぜーてっ! (*´ｪ`*)
let's play hide and seek with gaijin kids (｢・ω・)｢ｶﾞｵｰ

>>216473308
Get through the N5 grammar asap and start immersing with low comprenhension to at least practice what little you kinda know on the regular. Then just keep studying grammar and vocab and reading/watching for a few thousand hours. Throw in some output practice eventually, but you don't have to force yourself in the beginning.
Easier said than done, but it's (useful) hours spent not days passed.

>>216468823
> I was told to do Anki first and then immerse.
I'm strongly against this idea. When I started, I used to be "scared" to immerse because I wouldn't be able to understand it, so I kept doing anki without any purpose, thinking that eventually I would be able to understand Japanese better.
I stand with what learnjapanese.moe has to say about this. You have to come up to terms with sucking, plus you have to watch something that is fun to you. You can either check jpdb.io for the difficulty lists or rewatch an anime you like that isn't so difficult, that is, at most 30~40 difficulty rating on jpdb. Of course, you can read VNs (please use Textractor, agent or LunaTranslator without the translations so you can look up words faster), or manga (use mokuro for the same reason as before).
Do this as you are learning grammar with Cure Dolly or Tae Kim. Also, be confident in your brain, according to Stephen Krashen's input hypothesis, we do still learn languages exactly like we learned as kids.
In short, believe in the process and do your best. In that guide I mentioned, it's saying that you need to watch anime raw, but I think it's fine to watch with Japanese subs you get from jimaku.cc.
Also please quit Duolingo (; ･`д･´)

vocab >>> other

>>216465742
>I think I have that someone and on the way making her my girlfriend.
Nice! Congrats anon.
Since you are going to stay, then you better start reading _(:3 」∠)_

Thread music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtSFKTSburo

>>216468423
>あんたならどうすんの?
真ん中の女に抱きついてベロチューですね

>>216466804
>>216467087
I've managed to memorize everything without needing to write (actually I did write the kanas once).
But pro advice, if you intend to go do japan or use nihongo for anything more than just weebshit. You should definitely practice some writing, and not to mention getting used to the details make it a heck lot easier to distinguish between similar kanji with a few different radicals.

>>216473757
whats wrong with duolingo?

>>216468823
>>216469498
I know that feeling, my journey was similarly painful. I've restarted my anki at least three times, before I realized Anki is just a memorization tool and not a learning one.
Though I will say that all that grind and acquiring vocabulary helped me out a lot in the long run.

My advice would be (and to myself if I had to do it again). Don't do the pre-built decks unless its really something you really need. go for mined words/sentences, study each sentence independently and the put on a deck where revise it on occasion.
Like you teacher did, add all the months, days, day of the weeks, different numbers and different ways to spell it.
Don't really bother with Kanji at first and ease into it, going hard on into kanji like the traditional decks do it is just like placing a huge bolder right at the beginning of your track, that you will have to get down later anyway.
For vocab one thing that worked way much better for me was a flashcard with multiple choices, called Kakugo, kinda similar but you see the difference in approach to Anki.

And as the britbro mentioned, Nihongo con Teppei is great, but that is mostly for acquiring listening skill, and even then you will need some basic vocab to follow up. But its a good example of trying to follow up, the look up a word you don't know, and add it to your deck gradually.

>>216475676
グッドアイデアと思うんだけどつまんない勉強する気がない
4万単語も覚えたらやる気が出るかもしれない
その前に意味ない気がする、日本に住むつもりがない

自分の名前すら書けなくて、ウケるww

>>216475792
Everything... (´・ω:;.:…
There's countless hilarious examples on r/learnjapanese of people saying how they have such massive streaks or whatever the fuck but still struggle with the very basics, or some dude trying N3 after 10 years studying Japanese.
I still to this day haven't met a single person that actually became proficient (like C1 or C2) with any language at all using Duolingo.

>>216477911
This is the power of duolingo (2700 day streak) https://x.com/GumPro902/status/1976939343190130763

>>216479106
これが2700日だと… 流石に度肝を抜かれたぜ…

7と2/3年くらいだもんなあ う〜む

でも、楽しめてるんなら良いことだ

漫画読むのが単語覚えるのに良いと思う

>ひろゆきが『ニーディーガールオーバードーズ』原作者 にゃるらの番組に参戦!
死ね

>>216479106
アホクサ

んじゃ俺EU5やっとくから

>page10
なぜかわからんけど2hぐらいこれループしてるわ...
このころはNHKでこのあと(前?)にCCさくらとかがやってたんだよなあ確か...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiIH4pXMFDM&list=RDZiIH4pXMFDM&start_radio=1

>>216432988
To escape from translator fanfic and read untranslated VNs.
あと楽しいのもよ

>>216465742
>N3
NTA but I passed N3 way back in 2021 and I have to say it's easy enough, no need to get nervous about it. If you are already on the level of watching SoL high school anime with JP subs without having to look up grammar a billion of times, and you can read NHK Easy without much trouble, you'll pass with flying marks. N1 is the shit though, tried it in 2023 and failed miserably, that's how I noticed that being stuck with anime, some manga and easy VNs wouldn't cut it, and I started trying harder with hard VN and reading actual NHK. Haven't tried N1 again but maybe will do so next year in July.