Thread 216440066

Has your country ever had a Civil War?
Did the good guys lose?

>>216440066 (OP)
Yes. Everyone lost. The Swedish won.

>>216440071
Are you referring to the 30 Years War?

>>216440066 (OP)
Depends on what you count as a civil war and what you define as a good guy

>>216440091
Yep.

>>216440114
GUSTAVUS.. ADOLPHUS..
But he got killed didn't he so..

>>216440105
The only things I know about Brazil are what I saw in Max Payne 3, you recently jailed your former President, and your cops are waging war on cartels right?

>>216440135
Yes

>>216440245
What was your civil war over? Ours was about tariffs and stuff. Till 1863.

>>216440120
France carried the anti-Habsburg alliance and continued to find Sweden.

>>216440256
Tariffs too, lasted 10 years, rebels lost

Kill commies. Smash their heads, cut their heads off, shoot them, drown them, burn them, but never, under no conditions let them feel safe. You'll regret it miserably.

>>216440285
Tragic.
>>216440262
>Iran out of nowhere
I bet you guys have had some civil wars.

>>216440295
Tsar Nicholas..

>>216440299
>some
Heh...

>>216440394
heh

>>216440295
>>216440312
>The bodies of the Romanovs and their servants were loaded onto a Fiat truck equipped with a 60 hp engine,[104] with a cargo area measuring 1.8 by 3.0 metres (6 ft × 10 ft).[102] Heavily laden, the vehicle struggled for 14 kilometres (9 mi) on boggy road to reach the Koptyaki forest. Yurovsky was furious when he discovered that the drunken Ermakov had brought only one shovel for the burial.[113] About 800 metres (1⁄2 mile) further on, near crossing no. 185 on the line serving the Verkh-Isetsk works, 25 men working for Ermakov were waiting with horses and light carts. These men were all intoxicated and they were outraged that the prisoners were not brought to them alive. They expected to be part of the lynch mob.[114] Yurovsky maintained control of the situation with great difficulty, eventually getting Ermakov's men to shift some of the bodies from the truck onto the carts.[114] A few of Ermakov's men pawed the female bodies for diamonds hidden in their undergarments, two of whom lifted up Alexandra's skirt and fingered her genitals.[114][115] Yurovsky ordered them at gunpoint to back off, dismissing the two who had groped the tsarina's corpse and any others he had caught looting.[115]

>>216440066 (OP)
Yes. No, the Irish lost.

>>216440498
Lincoln also had a thing for getting Irish people killed.

>>216440498
>Yes. No, the Irish lost.

>>216440414
Protip: if a ruling dynasty in history of Iran gets KWAB'D then flip a coin for "foreign invasion" or "civil war of succession crisis."

>>216440523
Good ole succession crisis..

>>216440523
If the ruling dynasty loses a war that means they lost the Mandate of Ahura Mazda or however the Nowruz is celebrated

>>216440498
And the Scots?

>>216440569
>We lost our last chance of redemption with the gigatwunk, dual wielding swordmaster, military genius king because some mullahs and shia cleric faggots betrayed him to the eunuch
It's been over for more than two hundred years.
>>216440611
KEK. Also:
>Norooz*
Ftfy.

>>216440699
>It's been over for more than two hundred years.
Grim..

>>216440066 (OP)
We've had dozens of civil wars. Usually they were between two rival claimants, often brothers, who both wanted to be king, but also a bunch of major peasant rebellions.

>>216440066 (OP)
Yes
No

>>216440838
I don't know bro, if this is where union victory got us...

>>216440066 (OP)
Yes. Austria and Prussia doomed Germany.
>>216440071
>Everyone lost.
I would argue that almost everyone won as the Peace of Westphalia affirmed the sovereignty of the individual states of the HRE (strengthening the position of the Habsburg in Austria and Bohemia as well; the latter issue being the cause of the whole war) and the Edict of Restitution was voided.
>>216440120
Sweden held territory in northern Germany well into the early 19th century.
>>216440262
France also had a funny alliance with the Ottomans to combat the Habsburg. So much for christian solidarity.

>>216440942
>4-8 million people died over 30 years because people couldn't agree on how to worship Yahweh

>>216440848
A southern victory would have just meant further conflicts down the road. One of them probably being another civil war amongst the confederates.

>>216441001
Nope. A southern victory would've continued the America the founders created instead of this Empire that Lincoln carved out because he couldn't bare to lose his tariff money.

>>216440942
>So much for christian solidarity.
Frenchies were aware of realpolitik and just how much of a joke religion was.

>>216440975
>couldn't agree on how to worship Yahweh
No. Its even funnier. The 30 Years War was caused by unclear zoning laws. I'm not even joking.

>>216440942
>Yes. Austria and Prussia doomed Germany.
t. Frankfurter

>>216441115
I've read a few times that it's been because of territorial disputes that quickly got out of control with the religion being an excuse for everyone to gang up on each other.
Elaborate.
>>216441137
He's right tho.

>>216441040
Still pretty funny considering that the most powerful rulers of 17th century France were two catholic cardinals.
>>216441137
No. I am from the Rhenish Master Race.

>>216441221
The tl;dr version is that Emperor Rudolf II. granted the bohemian estates freedom of religion, the inviolability of property and most importantly the right to built and maintain churches on lands of the Bohemian Crown in the so called Letter of Majesty of 1609. But it was unclear whether the lands of donations to the catholic church (called Stifte in german) were included in the lands of the Bohemian Crown as well. The destruction of a protestant church in one of those Stifte and the fact that Emperor Ferdinand II. didn't give a shit about the Letter of Majesty from 1609 were primary causes of the 30 Years War.
And this whole affair was also preceded by internal Austro-Habsburg conflicts about who was fit to rule - the so called Brothers Quarrel of the House Habsburg.
I've made an effort post a while ago about this: https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17612858/#q17617127
Search for post Nr. 17617112 in this archived thread and the following five posts shed light on this background.

>>216441404
Quite the rabbit hole you gave me.
Thanks for the read.

>>216440066 (OP)
This mfer is still mad he can't keep slaves